Bullet Serialization

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

 

[TallBill]

They should just pass a law that makes it illegal to not leave a business card at the scene of a murder. That way they'll always know who committed it.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: TallBill
They should just pass a law that makes it illegal to not leave a business card at the scene of a murder. That way they'll always know who committed it.

God damn it, Gump! You're a god damn genius! This is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddamn I.Q. of 160. You are goddamn gifted, Private Gump.

 

[winnar111]

We should brand a serial number into any woman seeking an abortion.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Do you realize what % of crimes are committed with illegally owned weapons? Why would ammo be any different.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Yes, let's turn non-criminals into criminals for the sake of catching real criminals.

I have to ask: Are you serious? Or, are you just pulling our legs? I cannot even begin to comprehend the type of person that would want the government this involved in his/her life.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Sorry, I shot it all and the casings fell into the river. And by fell into the river I mean given to my buddy to make more ammo for me at below market prices with no serial numbers.

I really don't think you are thinking this through.

We can't shut down all the meth labs, do you honestly think people wouldn't get around this? Even law abiding people like myself that think the entire idea is just wrong?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: DixyCratPersonally: I think this is a good thing.

Would you be willing to say that to the 5'2" woman who was raped because she couldn't afford the gun and ammo she would have otherwise used to defend herself? Remember, guns also serve a role in self defense and also defense against government tyranny.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Sorry, I shot it all and the casings fell into the river. And by fell into the river I mean given to my buddy to make more ammo for me at below market prices with no serial numbers.

I really don't think you are thinking this through.

We can't shut down all the meth labs, do you honestly think people wouldn't get around this? Even law abiding people like myself that think the entire idea is just wrong?

Of course some will get around it, which is why there would need to be stiff consequences.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Yes, let's turn non-criminals into criminals for the sake of catching real criminals.

I have to ask: Are you serious? Or, are you just pulling our legs? I cannot even begin to comprehend the type of person that would want the government this involved in his/her life.

Non-Criminals will only become Criminals if they so choose.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Do you realize what % of crimes are committed with illegally owned weapons? Why would ammo be any different.

Completely Moot.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Non-Criminals will only become Criminals if they so choose.

There's so many holes in that argument that I don't even know where to begin.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: sandorski
Non-Criminals will only become Criminals if they so choose.

There's so many holes in that argument that I don't even know where to begin.

Pick a spot.

 

[AFMatt]

You guys are still arguing this garbage. It wont happen. It didn't pass in California because the arguments based on the costs and damage to the gun industry were found valid, and far outweighed the easily bypassable serial number efforts.

Besides, even if it did happen there is plenty enough ammo out there right now to support gun crime for years upon years. It's not like these people are out there shooting boxes at a time folks.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: sandorski

I never really thought this out. I can't answer any of your questions to a convincing degree, so I will throw out a one-line response that only raises more questions and problems with my original position.

I'm starting to think you are taking your position simply to be different, as it's pretty apparent you have no clue how reality works.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Of course some will get around it, which is why there would need to be stiff consequences.

"consumer file"... "stiff consequences"... wow man, you're on a roll! :roll:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: sandorski

I never really thought this out. I can't answer any of your questions to a convincing degree, so I will throw out a one-line response that only raises more questions and problems with my original position.

I'm starting to think you are taking your position simply to be different, as it's pretty apparent you have no clue how reality works.

nope

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski


Poor choice of words, but basically accurate. You buy Ammo, your name is associated with the Serials on that Ammo.

Ammo got lost, stolen or there was a tragic boat accident.

This is a stupid idea and you know it. Criminals would not use bullets with serial numbers on them, they already don't use guns with them.

You better keep track of your Ammo then or report it Stolen if it was stolen.

Yes, let's turn non-criminals into criminals for the sake of catching real criminals.

I have to ask: Are you serious? Or, are you just pulling our legs? I cannot even begin to comprehend the type of person that would want the government this involved in his/her life.

I'm really beginning to think he's trolling at this point.

 

[LTC8K6]

Criminal steals serialized rounds.

End of trail.

Next.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Won't draw any tears from me.

Read throiugh the whole thread, my responxe may well get me banned but, oh weill, I'm more a "lurker" than anything but tend to respond when something hits a nerve or when I know I'm right. Don't give 2 shiz how you respond but you're going to know how I feel.......

Keep your BC CA azz outa my country. I own a LOT of guns, I shoot a lot, I hunt and I reload what I can. I'm responsible with my guns and my 3 kids are as well and respect firearms. I've never had an accident, or known anyone whom has used a firearm ilegally or accidently shot another human or animal. If it ever does happen, dependent upon the circumstance, it is very likely if they are/were at fault they will cease to be a friend of mine.

For you to want/wish for my right to own guns/ammo to end or cease is against my very being. I do not care why you may want this or care to discuss it, the fact that you apparently are in favor of this makes you someone I have no regard or respect for. Lucky for you, you do not even reside in my country so your wishes or worthless. I have, and will continue to have my right to keep and bear arms much to your dismay but that's why you are there, and I am here. Please, remain where your profile states you are!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: sandorski
Won't draw any tears from me.

Read throiugh the whole thread, my responxe may well get me banned but, oh weill, I'm more a "lurker" than anything but tend to respond when something hits a nerve or when I know I'm right. Don't give 2 shiz how you respond but you're going to know how I feel.......

Keep your BC CA azz outa my country. I own a LOT of guns, I shoot a lot, I hunt and I reload what I can. I'm responsible with my guns and my 3 kids are as well and respect firearms. I've never had an accident, or known anyone whom has used a firearm ilegally or accidently shot another human or animal. If it ever does happen, dependent upon the circumstance, it is very likely if they are/were at fault they will cease to be a friend of mine.

For you to want/wish for my right to own guns/ammo to end or cease is against my very being. I do not care why you may want this or care to discuss it, the fact that you apparently are in favor of this makes you someone I have no regard or respect for. Lucky for you, you do not even reside in my country so your wishes or worthless. I have, and will continue to have my right to keep and bear arms much to your dismay but that's why you are there, and I am here. Please, remain where your profile states you are!

This is the problem. Your existance is tied to an Object. An Object that is the source of many of the problems that cause you fear. Get a grip.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: sandorski
There is no "Deterence". That is not the point.

What is the point?

Sandorski wants guns banned. That is Sandorski's point.

Well, yes, I want the ability to have Guns Banned, but this doesn't necessarily lead to that happening. It is to make weapons/Ammo traceable back to a Person. It will aid in the solving of Crimes and/or to those who supply Criminals.

Deterence is just not an effective force. If it was, the Death Penalty would have such a dramatic effect on US Murder rates that it would be the lowest rate amongst the First World. It is, as you know, the highest.

Here it is, straight from the horse's mouth. You don't care whether or not it works, so there is no point in arguing that with you. You only want this because it makes it harder for the average citizen to afford a weapon. It's the shotgun approach: who cares if something works or not, just throw a bunch of laws and regulations at a problem, eventually everything becomes so confusing, beauracratic (sp?), and difficult to handle that the end result is the same; the average law abiding citizen will not have weapons.*

And why do you keep capitalizing Common Nouns in your Sentences? Only Proper Nouns need capitalization, such as the Name of a Person, City, State, or Country. You don't need to capitalize Bullet Serialization in your Discussion.

*unless you are a "special" citizen like California Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein, despite her ardent support for gun control, not only owns a gun herself, but is legally allowed to carry it concealed for her own protection in the state of California! But it's ok for her to do that, she's more important than the rest of us, and also smarter, so she knows how to handle the weapon.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

One thing the Dems and their supporters excel at is claiming to support personal freedom and the Constitution, then using the law to make it practically impossible. You won't need to ban something if you regulate it out of existence. That's what we have here. Oh, we'll use the "if it save one life it will be worth it" and "it's not a ban so it complies with the letter of the law. Suck it up" arguments. In this there's little difference with those who say "well, the Constitution doesn't cover wiretaps, since it mentions papers, and a phone call isn't paper" or "well all that those who think they have their rights violated by a wiretap need to do is pay the 5K filing fee and we'll look into your claim".

When it comes down to it, neither side wants freedom. No that's not quite right. They want the freedoms they want, and if they can make it practically impossible for "the other side" (that is people who don't think "correctly") then hey, there's nothing wrong with that.

Ok, so here's what we can do since government is the answer for this. Make every box of ammo a thousand dollars. Modify the current database of gun owners so they are issued a card. If you are a felon (and making parking tickets a felony for this purpose doesn't happen, sorry boys), then the purchaser pays his nominal fee, and Uncle Sam picks up the other $990 or whatever. Now you have all this money to make programs for educating gang members to the evil of guns, and education is always the answer it seems.

It will cost uncounted billions, but in the true spirit of the Democrat representitives, if it saves one life it will be worth it, right?

Sure.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
One thing the Dems and their supporters excel at is claiming to support personal freedom and the Constitution, then using the law to make it practically impossible.

And this is different than the Republicans?

I really wish people would stop trying to vilify one party when they both operate using identical tactics and for the same ends.