Bubonic Plague likely present in LA says Dr Drew Pinsky

[Ichinisan]

It's not my claim, google is your friend.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&channel=cus&q=can+all+plastic+be+recycled

Cop out.

There's no reason they can't be recycled. Styrofoam is the main offender there. Again, practically harmless, even when it ends-up in nature.

If certain thermoplastics aren't accepted for recycling, the solution isn't to ban plastics. The solution is to start recycling those kinds of plastics too.

EVEN IF HUMANITY RECYCLED NO PLASTIC AT ALL AND DUMPED EVERY BIT INTO LANDFILLS, that should be just fine.

Plastic is miracle stuff and single-use disposable packaging has absolutely saved countless lives.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Cop out.

There's no reason they can't be recycled. Styrofoam is the main offender there. Again, practically harmless in nature.

If certain thermoplastics aren't accepted for recycling, the solution isn't to ban plastics. The solution is to start recycling those kinds of plastics too.

EVEN IF HUMANITY RECYCLED NO PLASTIC AT ALL AND DUMPED EVERY BIT INTO LANDFILLS, that should be just fine.

Sad. It's like you don't have the internet.

 

[Ichinisan]

Sad. It's like you don't have the internet.

Would you ban all single-use plastic? What part of the Internet would convince you to support something so stupid and harmful?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Would you ban all single-use plastic? What part of the Internet would convince you to support something so stupid and harmful?

Oh, so you want me to answer questions that you ask? What part of the Internet tells you that burying plastic in landfills isn't harmful?

 

[Ichinisan]

Oh, so you want me to answer questions that you ask? What part of the Internet tells you that burying plastic in landfills isn't harmful?

Firstly, plastic comes from biomass (oil byproduct or even a byproduct of ethanol production from corn). We use plastic to make single-use disposable packaging for food and medicines SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it's not toxic or harmful to biological life and typically doesn't chemically react with the things we put in it. Could someone make some plastic mix with other toxins and nasty shit? Well, yeah. They could. Maybe you should consider banning that instead of banning "all single-use plastics" -- which is completely absurd.

"But it doesn't biodegrade and will sit in landfills for thousands of years." Oh. So it's inert and not chemically volatile. Excellent! Plastic is great stuff.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Firstly, plastic comes from biomass (oil byproduct or even a byproduct of ethanol production from corn). We use plastic to make single-use disposable packaging for food and medicines SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it's not toxic or harmful to biological life and typically doesn't chemically react with the things we put in it. Could someone make some plastic mix with other toxins and nasty shit? Well, yeah. They could. Maybe you should consider banning that instead of banning "all single-use plastics" -- which is completely absurd.

"But it doesn't biodegrade and will sit in landfills for thousands of years." Oh. So it's inert and not chemically volatile. Excellent! Plastic is great stuff.

There's numerous sources that disagree with you. I'm open to changing how we make plastics to improve safety and reduce environmental impact. However, your rose colored glasses don't change how much humans have use in the last century, not recycled, and the harmful impacts associated with that.

Just one link, but ton's of others if you choose to look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_pollution

So, we can agree that changing what we put in plastics could help(depending on what was changed, obviously), it's on us to reduce, reuse, and recycle. We only have one planet, and burying a shit ton of plastics that can and will leach chemicals into the environment isn't a good idea.

And no, I wouldn't kneejerk ban all single use plastics. It's a case by case basis.

Maybe this can be the "Space Force" purpose. Finding a cost effective method of sending our garbage out into the universe

 

[Ichinisan]

There's numerous sources that disagree with you. I'm open to changing how we make plastics to improve safety and reduce environmental impact. However, your rose colored glasses don't change how much humans have use in the last century, not recycled, and the harmful impacts associated with that.

Just one link, but ton's of others if you choose to look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_pollution

So, we can agree that changing what we put in plastics could help(depending on what was changed, obviously), it's on us to reduce, reuse, and recycle. We only have one planet, and burying a shit ton of plastics that can and will leach chemicals into the environment isn't a good idea.

Maybe this can be the "Space Force" purpose. Finding a cost effective method of sending our garbage out into the universe

Got an alternative that won't cause far greater harm? If you thought plastic was significantly harmful to nature, wait until you see what happens when shattered glass scattered around the earth increases by a couple orders of magnitude. Sorry, critters

 

[ch33zw1z]

Got an alternative that won't cause far greater harm? If you thought plastic was significantly harmful to nature, wait until you see what happens when shattered glass scattered around the earth increases by a couple orders of magnitude. Sorry, critters

We don't "think" plastics are potentially harmful to our environment and ourselves, we know it is. And like you said, that could be because of additives and possibly not the plastics itself.

What single use items would you replace with glass?

Are you now saying glass isn't recyclable? Do you just throw bottles on the side of the road and say fuck it? I think this really hammers home the main problem with this topic, humans are lazy. The amount of garbage and recyclables I clean up around my house / road is just sad. Single use products are built around this.

Oh, and now you all of a sudden care about critters? LOL...you're a funny dude.

 

[Ichinisan]

What single use items would you replace with glass?

None? I can't think of any.

Oh, and now you all of a sudden care about critters? LOL...

If you saw a couple sad pictures of critters having unfortunate encounters with disposable plastic products, and you use that as justification for banning single-use plastics, you're actually doing far more harm to critters. In the 1980s and 1990s, kids where I grew up were expected to play outside all day long (literally not allowed to go inside -- even during Georgia summers). I can't begin to tell you how many times I and my friends sliced our feet by stepping on discarded glass bottles. Critters get hurt by it too.

Don't ban the plastics. Increase penalties for littering. It's nearly impossible to collect all the bits of shattered glass from a discarded glass container, and certainly far more time consuming than picking up plastic litter.

 

[ch33zw1z]

None? I can't think of any.


If you saw a couple sad pictures of critters having unfortunate encounters with disposable plastic products, and you use that as justification for banning single-use plastics, you're actually doing far more harm to critters. In the 1980s and 1990s, kids where I grew up were expected to play outside all day long (literally not allowed to go inside -- even during Georgia summers). I can't begin to tell you how many times I and my friends sliced our feet by stepping on discarded glass bottles. Critters get hurt by it too.

Don't ban the plastics. Increase penalties for littering. It's nearly impossible to collect all the bits of shattered glass from a discarded glass container, and certainly far more time consuming than picking up plastic litter.

I ninja edited a couple times, so...

So, why not both? The amount of plastics we use today compared to last century is far greater. I definitely support tougher penalties for littering.

There's no valid reason to not ban certain plastics as needed, and not take responsibility for our planet simultaneously with tougher penalties for littering. The real reasons will always be money and freedumb to do whatever, and humans tendency to be lazy (think "out of sight, out of mind") and thoughtless...neither of which I would consider valid when the health of the planet (and all creatures on it) is on the line.

https://www.sciencehistory.org/the-history-and-future-of-plastics

https://committee.iso.org/files/live/sites/tc61/files/The Plastic Industry Berlin Aug 2016 - Copy.pdf

Do you believe you can't cut your feet on plastic? In fact, while cleaning up brush areas of my yard, I found quit a few buried pieces of plastic that were sharp enough to cut myself on. Good thing i was wearing gloves!

btw, I support our government also supplying you shoes as needed if you can't get them elsewhere. I'm sorry people in your area didn't give a fuck about your area (unless you played in the landfill). I played in the woods in MA in the same time frame. walked around barefoot quite a bit and never stepped on broken glass. Sticks, rocks, leaf litter, sure....

I live in the same town now as well. And while my old stomping grounds are off the beaten path and virtually the same, I live on a "main" road and people (i know not everyone) still toss all sorts of shit out of their cars. I've had 2 people throw beer bottles out of their cars while driving by, shattering on my driveway. I clean up nip bottles, cigarette butts, packaging, entire bags of fast food trash, etc....human laziness and "dgaf" attitudes are the problem.

 

[Starbuck1975]

begun, the plastic war has

 

[ch33zw1z]

begun, the plastic war has

hah, a war? how very conservative of you. The WoP has begun! what else are we gonna do when our christian holidays are 6 months away. I know you were joking

What else we gonna do in a troll thread. The OP only wants to shit on Democrats, like bacteria or virus checks for party affiliation first before fucking your shit up.

 

[Muse]

Interesting discussion on the plastic vs. glass packaging issues. I won't engage (am not as knowledgeable), but will add that glass in the streets causes me to get more flat tires in riding my bicycle. Lots of people will just toss a bottle and love the sound of breaking glass. Most of those probably don't ride bikes. People are lazy, short sighted, and immature.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Interesting discussion on the plastic vs. glass packaging issues. I won't engage (am not as knowledgeable), but will add that glass in the streets causes me to get more flat tires in riding my bicycle. Lots of people will just toss a bottle and love the sound of breaking glass. Most of those probably don't ride bikes. People are lazy, short sighted, and immature.

The bolded is what it really comes to, regardless of the packaging issue. We're all guilty of it, some more than others. It's tough to be steadfast in a reduce,reuse,recycle way in our convenience driven lifestyle.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well at least the Democrats got that plastic straw breakout under control

https://www.foxnews.com/health/dr-d...d-be-insulted-to-be-compared-with-los-angeles

Los Angeles had a typhus outbreak last summer and will likely have another this summer, Pinsky said. Meanwhile, bubonic plague – a pandemic that killed tens of millions of people during the 14th century – is “likely” already present in Los Angeles, Pinsky added.

Asked why the liberal politicians aren’t doing more to alleviate these conditions, Pinsky said they are “disgustingly negligent.”

Title changed to reflect what the article says.
admin allisolm

laura?
dr drew??

 

[WelshBloke]

What the hell ... there too ? what could be causing this?

Not having a well funded health system accessible to all?

 

[WelshBloke]

None? I can't think of any.


If you saw a couple sad pictures of critters having unfortunate encounters with disposable plastic products, and you use that as justification for banning single-use plastics, you're actually doing far more harm to critters. In the 1980s and 1990s, kids where I grew up were expected to play outside all day long (literally not allowed to go inside -- even during Georgia summers). I can't begin to tell you how many times I and my friends sliced our feet by stepping on discarded glass bottles. Critters get hurt by it too.

Don't ban the plastics. Increase penalties for littering. It's nearly impossible to collect all the bits of shattered glass from a discarded glass container, and certainly far more time consuming than picking up plastic litter.

The danger of plastics isnt "critters getting hurt by it", it's that it breaks down into small particles and enters the food chain, and the stuff it breaks down to sticks around for ages.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Cop out.

There's no reason they can't be recycled. Styrofoam is the main offender there. Again, practically harmless, even when it ends-up in nature.

If certain thermoplastics aren't accepted for recycling, the solution isn't to ban plastics. The solution is to start recycling those kinds of plastics too.

EVEN IF HUMANITY RECYCLED NO PLASTIC AT ALL AND DUMPED EVERY BIT INTO LANDFILLS, that should be just fine.

Plastic is miracle stuff and single-use disposable packaging has absolutely saved countless lives.

So you have state sized patches of plastic death in the oceans. Third world nations are dumping grounds for our waste and yes we need to recycle. The problem is that other nations dump into the environment and have no interest in recycling.

Now what? There's a problem, find a solution.

 

[Starbuck1975]

hah, a war? how very conservative of you. The WoP has begun! what else are we gonna do when our christian holidays are 6 months away. I know you were joking

What else we gonna do in a troll thread. The OP only wants to shit on Democrats, like bacteria or virus checks for party affiliation first before fucking your shit up.

I found it humorous that a thread about plague turned into pissing match over plastics. And bacteria and viruses only kill liberals, everyone knows that.

 

[KillerBee]

I found it humorous that a thread about plague turned into pissing match over plastics. And bacteria and viruses only kill liberals, everyone knows that.

Well tbh it started out with Democrats worried so much about plastic straws but not giving a shit about the homeless problem
or the rats and trash etc .., because hey it's all ok - the City Inspector said not a flea was found!

Note: I may have embellished a little bit - please don't freak out anymore Libs

 

[Starbuck1975]

No problem at all:

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lopez-skid-row-rats-trash-20190601-story.html

Mom, please flush it all away...

 

[Moonbeam]

I think if I lived in Los Angeles I would flea.

Thank goodness my ancestors swept into Europe on horse back from the Steppes wiping out everybody in their path who didn't have plague immunity.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think if I lived in Los Angeles I would flea.

Ba dum tsssk

 

[ch33zw1z]

I found it humorous that a thread about plague turned into pissing match over plastics. And bacteria and viruses only kill liberals, everyone knows that.

That's cool, it wasn't really a pissing match afaik. I didn't need to prove anything, everything I posted is already known. I was quite surprised a guy as seemingly intelligent as Ich would deny and minimize information readily available. And use anecdotal evidence to support reasoning to stay the course.

We landed on the same answer that fuels the op. We are the problem, it's up to us to find the solution.

Wrt OP, it's obvious LA needs to clean up a bit. The city is enormous, and it's not surprising they have problems.

 

[UNCjigga]

Hack Doctor claims liberals aren’t spending enough on public health.

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