BRUTAL assessment of the GOP by Young College Republicans

[nehalem256]

Republicans are more big government than Democrats, from keeping the military establishment insane and invading random countries to medicare part D, to the Patriot Act, to warrantless wiretapping, to trying to regulate what goes on in the bedroom around the country.

And I will repeat again: Their(Democrats) signature legislation was lifted straight from the republican's main think tank for christ's sake! I can't think of a single liberal bill they've past in 20 years...

There is nothing NOT conservative about the democrats.

I will ask for the 1000th time. Name a few pieces of "liberal" legislation.

(1) Abortion
(2) Same-sex marriage
(3) higher taxes on the rich

Just off the top of my head.

 

[shadow9d9]

(1) Abortion
(2) Same-sex marriage
(3) higher taxes on the rich

Just off the top of my head.

All of which are overwhelmingly supported throughout the united states across both parties : ).

 

[shadow9d9]

Or in europe they have some off the cliff liberal parties and some fucking insane ones.

No doubt, but they are not often major parties(lots of smaller ones in europe). Most are not two party systems and if they are, they are not two sides of the same coin.

 

[nehalem256]

All of which are overwhelmingly supported throughout the united states across both parties : ).

So you agree the Democratic Party supports liberal positions.

No doubt, but they are not often major parties(lots of smaller ones in europe). Most are not two party systems and if they are, they are not two sides of the same coin.

Of course they are. Your own claim is

They are to the right of every other first world country's conservative party. The democrats are middle/right at best.

According to you all parties(at least shall we say mainstream ones) in the first world are liberal parties.

 

[HomerJS]

So you agree the Democratic Party supports liberal positions.



Of course they are. Your own claim is


According to you all parties(at least shall we say mainstream ones) in the first world are liberal parties.

Democrats support positions even if conceived in conservative circles. Can't say same with Republicans for liberal born positions.

 

[nehalem256]

Democrats support positions even if conceived in conservative circles. Can't say same with Republicans for liberal born positions.

Probably because conservatives come up with good ideas while liberals don't

 

[sunzt]

Probably because conservatives come up with good ideas

Like Obamacare! ohh wait.....

 

[ivwshane]

Probably because conservatives come up with good ideas while liberals don't

Yes they did but the Conservative party hasn't existed for about 6 years now.

 

[Murloc]

Did you even read my post? They are to the right of every other first world country's conservative party. The democrats are middle/right at best. Their signature legislation was lifted straight from the republican's main think tank for christ's sake! I can't think of a single liberal bill they've past in 20 years...

in europe the democrats would be considered liberals in its European meaning, most probably of the radical current (modern meaning).
i.e. economically and tax-wise center-right, strongly for laicity, and usually socially liberal too, although not as much as social democrats. They're not like social democrats on social issues because they aren't as much into equality and that stuff, but strong opinions on gay marriage is typical of socialists and not of liberals here, liberals are more focused on the economy.
Actually the liberal-radical party in my country (traditionally a strong centre-right party, had absolute majority back in the day after they defeated conservatives, but then socialist, moderate christian and agrarian/bourgeois parties came) is bleeding votes because their views were edgy 100 years ago but nowadays no one except communists disagree with them anymore, so they feel soft and out of touch.

They definitely aren't to the right of all parties though because they're not strongly anti-immigration. Immigration is what defines right wing these days.

GOP would be considered far right because of their positions on social issues and views on taxes and services and israel. In several European countries parties with these views (they do exist) can't even get in the parliament. Also they would be in competition with neofascists who are still antisemite and don't follow the traditional conservative tax policy.

 

[soulcougher73]

"Conservatives - on the wrong side of history since...history started."

 

[Smoblikat]

"Conservatives - on the wrong side of history since...history started."

Thats why the democrats were furious when the republicans freed the slaves.................

 

[BlueWolf47]

Thats why the democrats were furious when the republicans freed the slaves.................

The democrats at that time were basically modern day republicans.

 

[CitizenKain]

Thats why the democrats were furious when the republicans freed the slaves.................

I'd ask if were aware how the parties switched, but I can see explaining simple things to you is not worth the effort.

 

[shadow9d9]

So you agree the Democratic Party supports liberal positions.



Of course they are. Your own claim is


According to you all parties(at least shall we say mainstream ones) in the first world are liberal parties.

All you did was change my words.

The democrats support middle/right positions. Those you list above are compatible with middle/right. This isn't the 1950s anymore. What you are saying is the equivalent of saying that because they support desegregation and women's right to vote, they must be liberal.

 

[shadow9d9]

Thats why the democrats were furious when the republicans freed the slaves.................

Luckily anyone with half a brain realizes that the two parties were reversed back then. The conservatives definitely didn't free the slaves.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Luckily anyone with half a brain realizes that the two parties were reversed back then. The conservatives definitely didn't free the slaves.

Yet nobody finds this to be extremely odd and questionable. hah

 

[nehalem256]

All you did was change my words.

The democrats support middle/right positions. Those you list above are compatible with middle/right. This isn't the 1950s anymore. What you are saying is the equivalent of saying that because they support desegregation and women's right to vote, they must be liberal.

So basically you are saying that unless a party performs fellatio on a Marx blow-up doll at its convention it is not liberal...

 

[BlueWolf47]

Yet nobody finds this to be extremely odd and questionable. hah

Correct. No one finds historical facts questionable.

 

[ivwshane]

Yet nobody finds this to be extremely odd and questionable. hah

Those that know their history don't find it odd at all. The ignorant? Yeah, to them its totally baffling that something like that could have happened.

 

[Atreus21]

It must be nice to be a liberal. You're never on the wrong side of history, even when you're on the wrong side of history.

 

[ivwshane]

It must be nice to be a liberal. You're never on the wrong side of history, even when you're on the wrong side of history.

Do you make straw armies with all your straw man arguments?

 

[shadow9d9]

So basically you are saying that unless a party performs fellatio on a Marx blow-up doll at its convention it is not liberal...

So, basically you are saying that unless they hate women and are xenophobes, then they are not conservative...

 

[shadow9d9]

It must be nice to be a liberal. You're never on the wrong side of history, even when you're on the wrong side of history.

Considering it takes progress to get rid of: Segregation, slavery, women as property... and takes progress to support: women voting, being able to work in the workplace, allow interracial and gay marriage...

Yes.

If you fear change and want to hang on to the past, that will always put you on the wrong side of history.