Broncos to trade Cutler

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: ducci

Orton on the Broncos will have more TD passes than Culter this season.

Brandon Marshall will have a better year than Hester.

Bears will win more games.

This got me thinking....

I'm almost willing to bet that Orton (if he is the QB in Denver), will put up comparable or better overall numbers than Cutler will in Chicago.

Cutler threw for just over 4500 yards and 25 TDs and was only sacked 11 times (meaning he had some pretty good protection most of the time) for a 86 rating.

Orton threw for just shy of 3000 yards and 18 TDs in 151 less attempts and was sacked 37 times for a 79.6 rating.

Now, I haven't watched either team enough to know whether the sacks or lack of sacks were a result of a quicker release or a more elusive QB or if Cutler truly did have better protection. I do know one thing for sure...he had better weapons on the outside to throw to. I don't think that he is going to get the same protection or the same production from his receivers to match his last year while Orton is stepping into a system with a coach who has worked with and helped groom one of the best QBs of all time and another who looks like the real deal.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ducci

Orton on the Broncos will have more TD passes than Culter this season.

Brandon Marshall will have a better year than Hester.

Bears will win more games.

This got me thinking....

I'm almost willing to bet that Orton (if he is the QB in Denver), will put up comparable or better overall numbers than Cutler will in Chicago.

Cutler threw for just over 4500 yards and 25 TDs and was only sacked 11 times (meaning he had some pretty good protection most of the time) for a 86 rating.

Orton threw for just shy of 3000 yards and 18 TDs in 151 less attempts and was sacked 37 times for a 79.6 rating.

Now, I haven't watched either team enough to know whether the sacks or lack of sacks were a result of a quicker release or a more elusive QB or if Cutler truly did have better protection. I do know one thing for sure...he had better weapons on the outside to throw to. I don't think that he is going to get the same protection or the same production from his receivers to match his last year while Orton is stepping into a system with a coach who has worked with and helped groom one of the best QBs of all time and another who looks like the real deal.

Who was Cutler's RB? Wasn't it some like traveling knife salesman by the end of the year?

Orton cannot move anywhere (although he sure thinks he can) and telegraphs everything he does.

Bears also signed Pace and have Williams coming back.

The only thing I can see ruining Cutler is the absolute shit coaching staff we have. I'm hoping it will go something like this:

-Bears are decent, miss the playoffs or lose in the first round.
-Coaching staff is finally fired and a new regime takes over

 

[Via]

As a Bears fan it's really %^&** exciting to me.

People keep blathering on about how the Bears gave up too much. In this sort an emotional deal the specifics barely matter.

It boils down to this: The Bears haven't had a franchise-type QB in decades. And THAT'S what really matters.

I just got done watching former Bronco Mark Schlereth completely embarrass himself on ESPN trying to criticize Cutler and the Bears. Guess what?

We don't care. It was a great deal; even if it doesn't pan out I'll still be glad they tried it.

Now if they would only shitcan Ron Turner.

 

[MrToilet]

Originally posted by: Via

It boils down to this: The Bears haven't had a franchise-type QB in decades. And THAT'S what really matters.

I just got done watching former Bronco Mark Schlereth completely embarrass himself on ESPN trying to criticize Cutler and the Bears. Guess what?

We don't care. It was a great deal; even if it doesn't pan out I'll still be glad they tried it.

Now if they would only shitcan Ron Turner.

Completely agree. I'm not a Bears fan, but even I could tell they NEEDED a QB who could play. The Bears haven't had an exciting player at QB in decades.

I mean, they went to the Super Bowl in '07 with a ridiculous defense and REX GROSSMAN at QB. Imagine if they would have had some consistent, solid play from QB in that game, they could pretty easily have won.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ducci

Orton on the Broncos will have more TD passes than Culter this season.

Brandon Marshall will have a better year than Hester.

Bears will win more games.

This got me thinking....

I'm almost willing to bet that Orton (if he is the QB in Denver), will put up comparable or better overall numbers than Cutler will in Chicago.

Cutler threw for just over 4500 yards and 25 TDs and was only sacked 11 times (meaning he had some pretty good protection most of the time) for a 86 rating.

Orton threw for just shy of 3000 yards and 18 TDs in 151 less attempts and was sacked 37 times for a 79.6 rating.

Now, I haven't watched either team enough to know whether the sacks or lack of sacks were a result of a quicker release or a more elusive QB or if Cutler truly did have better protection. I do know one thing for sure...he had better weapons on the outside to throw to. I don't think that he is going to get the same protection or the same production from his receivers to match his last year while Orton is stepping into a system with a coach who has worked with and helped groom one of the best QBs of all time and another who looks like the real deal.

Orton WILL put up better numbers than Cutler. Not because he's a better QB but because the offense they will run in Denver matches what he needs based on his deficiencies. Shotgun is where it's at for slow asses.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ducci

Orton on the Broncos will have more TD passes than Culter this season.

Brandon Marshall will have a better year than Hester.

Bears will win more games.

This got me thinking....

I'm almost willing to bet that Orton (if he is the QB in Denver), will put up comparable or better overall numbers than Cutler will in Chicago.

Cutler threw for just over 4500 yards and 25 TDs and was only sacked 11 times (meaning he had some pretty good protection most of the time) for a 86 rating.

Orton threw for just shy of 3000 yards and 18 TDs in 151 less attempts and was sacked 37 times for a 79.6 rating.

Now, I haven't watched either team enough to know whether the sacks or lack of sacks were a result of a quicker release or a more elusive QB or if Cutler truly did have better protection. I do know one thing for sure...he had better weapons on the outside to throw to. I don't think that he is going to get the same protection or the same production from his receivers to match his last year while Orton is stepping into a system with a coach who has worked with and helped groom one of the best QBs of all time and another who looks like the real deal.

Who was Cutler's RB? Wasn't it some like traveling knife salesman by the end of the year?

Orton cannot move anywhere (although he sure thinks he can) and telegraphs everything he does.

Bears also signed Pace and have Williams coming back.

The only thing I can see ruining Cutler is the absolute shit coaching staff we have. I'm hoping it will go something like this:

-Bears are decent, miss the playoffs or lose in the first round.
-Coaching staff is finally fired and a new regime takes over

I have always thought Orton was screwed from the start. teh guy was always decent. he just rarely had a good team around him.

Then idiot lovie had to get his boyfriend Rex in. im still trying to figure out why they stuck with rex so damn long. i think if htey had orton in instead of rex those years they would have won the super bowl that year.

i really don't think that even with cutler the bears are going to do any better. teh coaching staff still sucks and will make bonehead calls (like a sqube (whatever they call short kicks) kick when they are up by 7).

i do think orton will do a lot better in denver then in chicago. Hell 90% of the QB's do better once they get out of chicago.


I just wonder whats going on with Rex. i havent heard anything.

 

[zebano]

Interesting trade. I really think the Bears made a good move (and as a Vikings fan, that sucks). First off, 1st round picks do bust, and of the ones that don't most are simply decent starters, not pro-bowl players. Thus giving up two first round picks is reasonable. The swap of a 3rd round pick for a 5th rounder is a nice bonus for Denver but hardly a deal-breaker. Denver went through the pain of developing Cutler so Chicago with it's terrible history of developing QBs is all set up to kick ass.

Meanwhile Chilly was on the Mike and Mike show bragging about how Sage is a younger version of Frerotte :facepalm;

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

LOL.

He was a mental midget when it comes to QB's. He couldn't handle pressure, would panic and make bonehead plays. When he was on, he was on. When he was off, he was HORRIBLE. The only reason he stuck around as long as he did was because the defense single handidly willed that team to wins that they never should have got. Grossman practically rigged them with turnovers that would have resulted in losses to any team with an average defense.

Fans didn't cause him to put up a 70 something QB rating for a season. And that's even with half a dozen games above 100. Do the math on that one.

 

[jman19]

Man Cutler owned himself... I hope he likes playing on a far worse offensive team.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: James3shin
I really don't think of Jay Cutler as being as good the press make him out to be. Jay has a strong arm but is he a QB or leader like Peyton, Brady, or Roethlisberger? I don't think so, I see Jay Cutler as another Jeff George - gun slinger.

He is a gunslinger, but not like George - more like Favre. Mark my words, Cutler will have a career the likes of the most elite HOF QB's, as long as he matures and doesn't take a career ending injury early.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: jman19
Man Cutler owned himself... I hope he likes playing on a far worse offensive team.

better than playing with a team who gives up 80 points a game.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: James3shin
I really don't think of Jay Cutler as being as good the press make him out to be. Jay has a strong arm but is he a QB or leader like Peyton, Brady, or Roethlisberger? I don't think so, I see Jay Cutler as another Jeff George - gun slinger.

He is a gunslinger, but not like George - more like Favre. Mark my words, Cutler will have a career the likes of the most elite HOF QB's, as long as he matures and doesn't take a career ending injury early.

He'll throw lots of crippling interceptions? :Q

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

LOL.

He was a mental midget when it comes to QB's. He couldn't handle pressure, would panic and make bonehead plays. When he was on, he was on. When he was off, he was HORRIBLE. The only reason he stuck around as long as he did was because the defense single handidly willed that team to wins that they never should have got. Grossman practically rigged them with turnovers that would have resulted in losses to any team with an average defense.

Fans didn't cause him to put up a 70 something QB rating for a season. And that's even with half a dozen games above 100. Do the math on that one.

I can say all of those things about Orton too. We got to the superbowl with Rex as the QB and didn't lose it because of him.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ric1287
I can say all of those things about Orton too. We got to the superbowl with Rex as the QB and didn't lose it because of him.

we didnt get to the SB because of Rex. And rex throwing 2 ints and what was it 2 fumbles? sure in the hell didnt help.


they didnt ge to the superbowl because of the offense. Even with Orton they would have got to the superbowl.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

LOL.

He was a mental midget when it comes to QB's. He couldn't handle pressure, would panic and make bonehead plays. When he was on, he was on. When he was off, he was HORRIBLE. The only reason he stuck around as long as he did was because the defense single handidly willed that team to wins that they never should have got. Grossman practically rigged them with turnovers that would have resulted in losses to any team with an average defense.

Fans didn't cause him to put up a 70 something QB rating for a season. And that's even with half a dozen games above 100. Do the math on that one.

I can say all of those things about Orton too. We got to the superbowl with Rex as the QB and didn't lose it because of him.

You can take the QB ratings from 4 games Grossman played, add them up, and they'd almost equal the single lowest QB rating Orton had.

I don't know how you really can make any comparisons between the two.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

LOL.

He was a mental midget when it comes to QB's. He couldn't handle pressure, would panic and make bonehead plays. When he was on, he was on. When he was off, he was HORRIBLE. The only reason he stuck around as long as he did was because the defense single handidly willed that team to wins that they never should have got. Grossman practically rigged them with turnovers that would have resulted in losses to any team with an average defense.

Fans didn't cause him to put up a 70 something QB rating for a season. And that's even with half a dozen games above 100. Do the math on that one.

I can say all of those things about Orton too. We got to the superbowl with Rex as the QB and didn't lose it because of him.

You can take the QB ratings from 4 games Grossman played, add them up, and they'd almost equal the single lowest QB rating Orton had.

I don't know how you really can make any comparisons between the two.

And I could add up the 100+ ones and they wouldn't touch anything Orton did. Orton couldn't possibly have a bad rating because he physically couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards which means you run and throw little shit passes to TE all game.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

LOL.

He was a mental midget when it comes to QB's. He couldn't handle pressure, would panic and make bonehead plays. When he was on, he was on. When he was off, he was HORRIBLE. The only reason he stuck around as long as he did was because the defense single handidly willed that team to wins that they never should have got. Grossman practically rigged them with turnovers that would have resulted in losses to any team with an average defense.

Fans didn't cause him to put up a 70 something QB rating for a season. And that's even with half a dozen games above 100. Do the math on that one.

I can say all of those things about Orton too. We got to the superbowl with Rex as the QB and didn't lose it because of him.

You can take the QB ratings from 4 games Grossman played, add them up, and they'd almost equal the single lowest QB rating Orton had.

I don't know how you really can make any comparisons between the two.

And I could add up the 100+ ones and they wouldn't touch anything Orton did. Orton couldn't possibly have a bad rating because he physically couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards which means you run and throw little shit passes to TE all game.

i would take Orton anyday over Rex. while i agree Orton may not have as many 100+ games he will NOT have a ZERO rateing game.

also orton will nto LOSE games for them as often as Rex does. not to mention Orton won't be getting hurt as often as Rex.


edit: not to mention here is a good indicator that many agree. Orton is still wanted as a QB what is Rex doing now? sitting at home.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

LOL.

He was a mental midget when it comes to QB's. He couldn't handle pressure, would panic and make bonehead plays. When he was on, he was on. When he was off, he was HORRIBLE. The only reason he stuck around as long as he did was because the defense single handidly willed that team to wins that they never should have got. Grossman practically rigged them with turnovers that would have resulted in losses to any team with an average defense.

Fans didn't cause him to put up a 70 something QB rating for a season. And that's even with half a dozen games above 100. Do the math on that one.

I can say all of those things about Orton too. We got to the superbowl with Rex as the QB and didn't lose it because of him.

You can take the QB ratings from 4 games Grossman played, add them up, and they'd almost equal the single lowest QB rating Orton had.

I don't know how you really can make any comparisons between the two.

And I could add up the 100+ ones and they wouldn't touch anything Orton did. Orton couldn't possibly have a bad rating because he physically couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards which means you run and throw little shit passes to TE all game.

i would take Orton anyday over Rex. while i agree Orton may not have as many 100+ games he will NOT have a ZERO rateing game.

also orton will nto LOSE games for them as often as Rex does. not to mention Orton won't be getting hurt as often as Rex.


edit: not to mention here is a good indicator that many agree. Orton is still wanted as a QB what is Rex doing now? sitting at home.

then you sir were successfully brainwashed by espn/chicago media. Orton lost us plenty of games last year and also got hurt....so, yeah.

As always, I am not claiming Rex to be the second coming of christ, but if I could go back to the Rex before our stupid ass city turned on him I would over Orton any day of the week.

 

[imported_Champ]

I've been reading that Orton is a really mature QB (besides the drinking...but he seems like a awesome guy to party with!) he played injured and seems to be excited to be about the team...we havn't had something like that since Rod Smith

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Champ
I've been reading that Orton is a really mature QB (besides the drinking...but he seems like a awesome guy to party with!) he played injured and seems to be excited to be about the team...we havn't had something like that since Rod Smith

He went into a local bar by me (when he was still 3rd stringing it) and got angry that they wouldn't give his dumb ass free drinks.

 

[waggy]

lets see.

rex:
2003: out with broken finger : games played 3
2004: torn laigements :games played 3
2005: broken ankle in preaseason : 2 games played came in and blew the first round playoffs. BTW Orton started 15 games and won 10 of those.
2006: great season he survived! hell of a season 13-3.
2007: started off shaky. replaced by griese who gets hurt. then Sexy rexy is back! oh shit..5ht start in he gets hurt. this time his knee
2008:? sitting at home where he is safe.

Ok for 5 seasons he is sidlined for 4 of them.

2005: rookie season! starts 15 games and wins 10! replaced by Rex who goes on to blow it.
2006: 3rd QB sits on his hands and watches Rex and Griese play doctor.
2007: FInally gets in for 3 games! wins 2 then sits back on teh bench heh
2008; gets in after Rex gets hurt (again) plays 15 games (gets hurt on one but BACK IN the next game)


so yeah.. yoau re right Orton got hurt A LOT!

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: waggy
lets see.

rex:
2003: out with broken finger : games played 3
2004: torn laigements :games played 3
2005: broken ankle in preaseason : 2 games played came in and blew the first round playoffs. BTW Orton started 15 games and won 10 of those.
2006: great season he survived! hell of a season 13-3.
2007: started off shaky. replaced by griese who gets hurt. then Sexy rexy is back! oh shit..5ht start in he gets hurt. this time his knee
2008:? sitting at home where he is safe.

Ok for 5 seasons he is sidlined for 4 of them.

2005: rookie season! starts 15 games and wins 10! replaced by Rex who goes on to blow it.
2006: 3rd QB sits on his hands and watches Rex and Griese play doctor.
2007: FInally gets in for 3 games! wins 2 then sits back on teh bench heh
2008; gets in after Rex gets hurt (again) plays 15 games (gets hurt on one but BACK IN the next game)


so yeah.. yoau re right Orton got hurt A LOT!

woopeee, Orton still sucks ass either way

edit- and his stupid ass came back too soon and somehow, sucked even worse than normal because if he couldn't move before he certainly wasn't moving with a half broken foot.

 

[imported_Champ]

is already in town http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12065422

also Cutler's interview on sportscenter is really low for him, an insult to denver fans...he is no class act

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: waggy
lets see.

rex:
2003: out with broken finger : games played 3
2004: torn laigements :games played 3
2005: broken ankle in preaseason : 2 games played came in and blew the first round playoffs. BTW Orton started 15 games and won 10 of those.
2006: great season he survived! hell of a season 13-3.
2007: started off shaky. replaced by griese who gets hurt. then Sexy rexy is back! oh shit..5ht start in he gets hurt. this time his knee
2008:? sitting at home where he is safe.

Ok for 5 seasons he is sidlined for 4 of them.

2005: rookie season! starts 15 games and wins 10! replaced by Rex who goes on to blow it.
2006: 3rd QB sits on his hands and watches Rex and Griese play doctor.
2007: FInally gets in for 3 games! wins 2 then sits back on teh bench heh
2008; gets in after Rex gets hurt (again) plays 15 games (gets hurt on one but BACK IN the next game)


so yeah.. yoau re right Orton got hurt A LOT!

woopeee, Orton still sucks ass either way

edit- and his stupid ass came back too soon and somehow, sucked even worse than normal because if he couldn't move before he certainly wasn't moving with a half broken foot.

even with a broken foot he was stil BETTER then Rex.

 

[Imported]

Cutler has never been a class act. 😛

I'm thinking the Broncos will draft Freeman, and the Bears sign either Holt or Harrison.

Just gotta say thank you Broncos for giving the Chargers another division title! 😀