Brian Williams and his helicopter issue.

inachu

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He could be partially correct. When using the wrong words like I,WE.... the people in the helicopter or or does he mean we as in the other helicopters as well? But because of his age even at this stage you can easily forget if you meant WE in just the single helicopter or the WE as the group of copters. So if it was one of the other helicopters that got hit then he would still be partially telling the truth even though his own helicopter was not hit.

The point here is clarity in the usage of english.
 

Tsavo

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Didn't Hillary have a similar issue?

Hilary is a politician, so she never had any credibility to lose.

As for BW, he's lying and everyone knows it. Trying to palm it of as memory or anything else is just an insult.

He should be fired.
 

inachu

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Hilary is a politician, so she never had any credibility to lose.

As for BW, he's lying and everyone knows it. Trying to palm it of as memory or anything else is just an insult.

He should be fired.

I'll have to go back and watch his other older videos.

There are two types of lying.

Lying to ones self and to the public and the other is you say something so much and after a long period you start to believe it and that kind of lying is connected to dementia and then he should go see a doctor for it.

It is my assumption he has early onset dementia.
 

highland145

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I'll have to go back and watch his other older videos.

There are two types of lying.

Lying to ones self and to the public and the other is you say something so much and after a long period you start to believe it and that kind of lying is connected to dementia and then he should go see a doctor for it.

It is my assumption he has early onset dementia.
Since 2003?
 

rudeguy

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For fuck's sake

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/nbc-...ts-iraq-story-after-soldiers-protest-1.327792


WASHINGTON — NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams admitted Wednesday he was not aboard a helicopter hit and forced down by RPG fire during the invasion of Iraq in 2003, a false claim that has been repeated by the network for years.

Williams repeated the claim Friday during NBC’s coverage of a public tribute at a New York Rangers hockey game for a retired soldier that had provided ground security for the grounded helicopters, a game to which Williams accompanied him. In an interview with Stars and Stripes, he said he had misremembered the events and was sorry.

The admission came after crew members on the 159th Aviation Regiment’s Chinook that was hit by two rockets and small arms fire told Stars and Stripes that the NBC anchor was nowhere near that aircraft or two other Chinooks flying in the formation that took fire. Williams arrived in the area about an hour later on another helicopter after the other three had made an emergency landing, the crew members said.

“I would not have chosen to make this mistake,” Williams said. “I don’t know what screwed up in my mind that caused me to conflate one aircraft with another.”

Williams told his Nightly News audience that the erroneous claim was part of a "bungled attempt" to thank soldiers who helped protect him in Iraq in 2003. “I made a mistake in recalling the events of 12 years ago,” Williams said. “I want to apologize.”

Williams made the claim about the incident while presenting NBC coverage of the tribute to the retired command sergeant major at the Rangers game Friday. Fans gave the soldier a standing ovation.

“The story actually started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of Iraq when the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG,” Williams said on the broadcast. “Our traveling NBC News team was rescued, surrounded and kept alive by an armor mechanized platoon from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry.”

Williams and his camera crew were actually aboard a Chinook in a formation that was about an hour behind the three helicopters that came under fire, according to crew member interviews.

That Chinook took no fire and landed later beside the damaged helicopter due to an impending sandstorm from the Iraqi desert, according to Sgt. 1st Class Joseph Miller, who was the flight engineer on the aircraft that carried the journalists.

“No, we never came under direct enemy fire to the aircraft,” he said Wednesday.

The helicopters, along with the NBC crew, remained on the ground at a forward operating base west of Baghdad for two or three days, where they were surrounded by an Army unit with Bradley fighting vehicles and Abrams M-1 tanks.

Miller said he never saw any direct fire on the position from Iraqi forces.

The claim rankled Miller as well as soldiers aboard the formation of 159th Aviation Regiment Chinooks that were flying far ahead and did come under attack during the March 24, 2003, mission.

One of the helicopters was hit by two rocket-propelled grenades — one did not detonate but passed through the airframe and rotor blades — as well as small arms fire.

“It was something personal for us that was kind of life-changing for me. I know how lucky I was to survive it,” said Lance Reynolds, who was the flight engineer. “It felt like a personal experience that someone else wanted to participate in and didn’t deserve to participate in.”

Reynolds said Williams and the NBC cameramen arrived in a helicopter 30 to 60 minutes after his damaged Chinook made a rolling landing at an Iraqi airfield and skidded off the runway into the desert.

He said Williams approached and took photos of the damage, but Reynolds brushed them off because the crew was assessing damage and he was worried that his wife, who was alone in Germany, might see the news report.

“I wanted to tell her myself everything was all right before she got news of this happening,” Reynolds said.

The NBC crew stayed only for about 10 minutes and then went to see the Army armored units that had been guarding the nearby Forward Operating Base Rams and came out to provide a security perimeter around the aircraft. Tim Terpak, the command sergeant major who accompanied Williams to the Rangers game, was among those soldiers, and the two struck up a friendship.

Miller, Reynolds and Mike O’Keeffe, who was a door gunner on the damaged Chinook, said they all recall NBC reporting that Williams was aboard the aircraft that was attacked, despite it being false. The NBC online archive shows the network broadcast a news story on March 26, 2003, with the headline, “Target Iraq: Helicopter NBC’s Brian Williams Was Riding In Comes Under Fire.”

Williams disputed Wednesday claims the initial reports were inaccurate, saying he originally reported he was in another helicopter but later confused the events. In a 2008 NBC blog post with his byline, he wrote that the “Chinook helicopter flying in front of ours (from the 101st Airborne) took an RPG to the rear rotor.”

O’Keeffe said the incident has bothered him since he and others first saw the original report after returning to Kuwait.

“Over the years it faded,” he said, “and then to see it last week it was — I can’t believe he is still telling this false narrative.”

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A shifting story


How the 2003 Chinook incident has been recounted at various times. Move your mouse over them (or tap if you're on a mobile device) to make corresponding portions stand out.

March 24, 2003 | Book account
March 27, 2003 | New York Daily News report
March 30, 2003 | USA Today report
July 19, 2007 | From Brian Williams’ blog entry on Gen. Wayne Downing
Jan. 14, 2010 | News release from Notre Dame University
March 26, 2013 | Late Show with David Letterman appearance
Jan. 30, 2015 | NBC Nightly News report
In a letter to his mother from Sean Ward, who guarded a shot-down Chinook puts the shot-down Chinook and Brian Williams in same spot (“middle of Iraq, south of the Euphrates river”), but does not mention of Williams being in the shot down Chinook.

“NBC News' Brian Williams … and NBC consultant Ret. Gen. Wayne Downing went on a helicopter mission to an Iraq site where troops were building a bridge. However, during the trip a man on the ground pulled a tarp off of his pickup truck and launched a rocket-fired grenade. The first chopper was hit and forced to land. Then the one carrying Williams and Downing landed.

“NBC's Brian Williams was stranded in the Iraqi desert for three days after a Chinook helicopter ahead of his was attacked by a man who fired a rocket-propelled grenade. The grenade just missed, but it forced the group to make an emergency landing. Luckily, a U.S. tank platoon was there and surrounded the helicopters, killing four Iraqis.

“[Downing] talked me into going on a "day trip" with an Army Reserve Unit -- a flotilla of four twin-rotor Chinook helicopters on a mission we couldn't discuss. [Soon] some men on the ground fired an RPG through the tail rotor of the chopper flying in front of ours. There was small arms fire. … All four choppers dropped their heavy loads and landed quickly and hard on the desert floor. ...”

“Just days into the war, Williams was traveling on a U.S. Army Chinook helicopter mission when the lead helicopter was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade. Williams spent three days and two nights in the Iraqi desert south of Najaf, with a mechanized armored tank platoon of the Army’s Third Infantry Division providing protection.”

On the “Late Show with David Letterman, Williams recounts being farther north than the invading American troops, carrying bridge sections for U.S forces to use to cross the Euphrates River”:
[CLICK TO WATCH VIDEO]
Williams: “Two of the four helicopters were hit, by ground fire, including the one I was in –“
Letterman: “No kidding!”
Williams: “… uh, RPG and AK-47.”
Letterman: “What altitude were you hit at?”
Williams: “We were only at a hundred feet, doing a hundred forward knots, because we had these massive pieces of bridge beneath us on slings –”
Letterman: “What happens the minute everybody realized you’ve been hit?”
Williams: “We figure out how to land –“
[Audience laughs.]

“The story actually started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of Iraq, when the helicopter we were travelling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG. Our travelling NBC news team was rescued and kept alive by an Armored Mechanized Platoon from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry.”
 

rudeguy

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I'll have to go back and watch his other older videos.

There are two types of lying.

Lying to ones self and to the public and the other is you say something so much and after a long period you start to believe it and that kind of lying is connected to dementia and then he should go see a doctor for it.

It is my assumption he has early onset dementia.

It is my assumption you have early onset dumbassia.

You don't remember that you were in a helicopter that got shot down if you weren't in a helicopter that got shot down. He lied. And now he's lying about lying and you are lying about him lying that he lied.

He lied.
 

PokerGuy

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This is pretty much the same as Hillary's memories of getting shot at by snipers on the airport tarmac. It's a plain and simple lie. To what end I have no idea. It's not like the story was real but some minor detail was not remembered correctly -- you don't just "misremember" something like that. It either happened or it did not.

Now that he's shown his credentials as a liar, I'm sure there will be a cabinet post for him under the Hillary regime :D
 

rudeguy

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This is pretty much the same as Hillary's memories of getting shot at by snipers on the airport tarmac. It's a plain and simple lie. To what end I have no idea. It's not like the story was real but some minor detail was not remembered correctly -- you don't just "misremember" something like that. It either happened or it did not.

Now that he's shown his credentials as a liar, I'm sure there will be a cabinet post for him under the Hillary regime :D

Don't forget that Chelsea was jogging near the WTC when the planes hit. 9/11 really hit home for her because of that.


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OH...and if you like your plan, you can keep your plan
 

PokerGuy

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Don't forget that Chelsea was jogging near the WTC when the planes hit. 9/11 really hit home for her because of that.

Yep, that's another good example. I guess if you're a habitual liar like her you can't just turn it on and off whenever you want to.
 

rudeguy

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Yep, that's another good example. I guess if you're a habitual liar like her you can't just turn it on and off whenever you want to.

I honestly think that some people live in a made up world. They are so used to lying, being lied to and spreading lies that they lose track of what is real and what isn't. Look at the people on this forum that not only condone people lying to further their agenda, they expect it and love them for it.

Its why I never take anything a democrat says seriously. Not only do I not know if they are lying, chances are they don't either.
 

inachu

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I wonder if he is taking any medication. Drugs can do that as well.

But yeah if he is not taking any drugs and per that large cut and paste above then yeah he lied.
Just giving the guy a half assed attempt of giving the guy a break if it is from old age or drugs.

I mean it does happen and then their doctor either has to reduce or increase dosage.

Oh and by the way. I too was in a Chinook helicopter back in 1988. They are very loud and can not really talk at all. I tried but people just smiled and pointed at their ears and shrugged their shoulders.
 

inachu

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I honestly think that some people live in a made up world. They are so used to lying, being lied to and spreading lies that they lose track of what is real and what isn't. Look at the people on this forum that not only condone people lying to further their agenda, they expect it and love them for it.

Its why I never take anything a democrat says seriously. Not only do I not know if they are lying, chances are they don't either.

I agree 100%
 

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This is really too bad because I genuinely like Brian Williams. I had never heard of this event until this week but looking back at what he said vs what happened he simply fucking lied. It wasn't a mistake and his apology is bullshit; he is basically pretending he was confused and oh silly old me! On the contrary it was a very specific, detailed fiction that an otherwise very well respected guy just shat from his mouth for cred or who knows what.

So needless given that his stature didn't need this lie but is now deservedly taking a massive bit because of it. Even NPR this morning pulled no punches on this.
 
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Yep, that's another good example. I guess if you're a habitual liar like her you can't just turn it on and off whenever you want to.

Only thing that is an example of is your inability to determine the validity of things you hear. Find where Hillary made that claim. Bet you find out it was Dick Morris who made the claim repeatedly.
 
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I honestly think that some people live in a made up world. They are so used to lying, being lied to and spreading lies that they lose track of what is real and what isn't. Look at the people on this forum that not only condone people lying to further their agenda, they expect it and love them for it.

Its why I never take anything a democrat says seriously. Not only do I not know if they are lying, chances are they don't either.

Humerous that you decry people for using lies to further their agenda, while using a lie to further your agenda.
 

HomerJS

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I think BW has a bigger problem watching his daughter getting her ass eaten out on HBO.
 

Jaskalas

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People under stress or age can misspeak all the time.

I'm curious if there's a truth that's close to what he said, if so then I find the blunder excusable.

a false claim that has been repeated by the network for years.
Oh...:hmm:
 

mizzou

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wtf...why say shit like that?? He didnt need to overinflate it. Just report what you see!
 

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Only thing that is an example of is your inability to determine the validity of things you hear. Find where Hillary made that claim. Bet you find out it was Dick Morris who made the claim repeatedly.

Guess again. It was Hillary... several times.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2540811420080326

In a speech in Washington on March 17 Clinton said of the Bosnia trip: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

She also told CNN last week: "There was no greeting ceremony and we were basically told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened."