Breaking: Shooting at CT elementary school

[Gigantopithecus]

Were not any of the children only wounded??

I think every single child at that school was wounded.

 

[darkxshade]

Were not any of the children only wounded??

It's sad but these were small children at an elementary school, not a high school or college. I'm no gun expert but I would think a shot to a small child is like a grown man taking a slug from a shotgun.

 

[preslove]

Yeah it wasn't that long ago...and their interpretation of the phrasing is pretty clear, it's not gonna change, you're only hope is to repeal the 2nd...good luck with that

They were 5-4 judgments. All it takes is one less right-wing hack.

 

[CVSiN]

Spare me the stars and bars speech. Today wars are won with nuclear weapons and 100million dollar jets. You and your pea shooter couldn't even piss off a war machine.
Btw the country falls apart without the automobile.

And you dont think it will literally come apart at it's seams if they tried to take away weapons from citizens by force?

Yeh that would be the first shot in a new revolutionary war.
and if you don't think ground soldiers mean anything in today's day and age..
the US Army and Marine Corps pounding the grounds around the world to keep the peace would like a word with you..
and to show you just how effective a non military militia can be. do we even have to bring up Mogadishu?
Armed militia got the better of a superior army with air support and sent us home with our tails between our legs..

Then there is Bosnia and Afghanistan ( when Russia was there) they all got their assed handed to them by militias and ground weps..

 

[Shlong]

And the media named the wrong brother as the shooter...Lovely.

The police released the name.

 

[corwin]

They were 5-4 judgments. All it takes is one less right-wing hack.

You don't seem to understand what "precedent" means...they aren't going to revisit the case should someone retire and get replaced with a left wing looney, it's done and over with, you lost, get over it

 

[CVSiN]

Again, with the ridiculous comparison between cars and guns.

Unlike guns, cars are not designed to kill people. They serve a purpose.

And the fact that you use examples from 150 years ago just makes a mockery of any argument you have. Did they have assault rifles back in 1850?

Back in the 1780's when the constitution was signed people had muskets that fired off one inaccurate round every minute. They were probably less deadly than swords.

We already have gun control in this country anyway, so what is the big deal? I didn't see any of you kicking up a fuss when they banned fully automatic weapons.

Yet cars kill far more people per year than all the guns in the world put together..

nice try but no.
any tool can be taken and used the wrong way.
A gun in the right hands is a meal ticket or defence..
in the wrong it becomes a tool of evil..
same can be said for alot of things.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I agree with what you wrote. I don't think the armed officer would be effective or useful, but it at least wouldn't be patently absurd like arming teachers and principals would be. That was my only real point.

Agreed. Arming teachers is only asking for more trouble. We can't expect to give a 60 year old woman an Uzi and tell her to protect her class with it. That can't possibly end well.

 

[Farmer]

Think of it this way:

100,000,000 people use their cars for a year. In doing so, they better their lives and harm no one intentionally. In that year, 12 of these people decide to use his/her car to run over 20 other people each, resulting in 240 deaths, or 0.00024% of the population, and directly affecting the lives of 2400 people related to the dead, or 0.0024% of the population.

Is the correct legislative response to severely restrict car ownership, adversely affecting 100% of the population?

Now replace "cars" with "guns."

 

[torpid]

Because teachers and principals shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves and their students? Or are you implying they are just wackos waiting for it to be legal for them to bring a gun to school before they go on a rampage like this?

I'm implying that it is unsafe to have dozens of loaded firearms wandering the halls of every elementary school in the hands of middle-aged and often frail and untrained citizens.

 

[torpid]

Agreed. Arming teachers is only asking for more trouble. We can't expect to give a 60 year old woman an Uzi and tell her to protect her class with it. That can't possibly end well.

You just gave me a movie idea.

 

[corwin]

Agreed. Arming teachers is only asking for more trouble. We can't expect to give a 60 year old woman an Uzi and tell her to protect her class with it. That can't possibly end well.

Of course not, no old woman could ever defend herself or her students with a gun Do you really need the news stories of those that have, some even much older than 60? I would be happy if I found that my childrens school teacher could be armed, happier if I found out she was

 

[etrigan420]

>>>>First grade teacher Kaitlin Roig, 29, locked her 14 students in a classroom bathroom and listened to "tons of shooting" until police came to help. "It was horrific," Roig said. "I thought we were going to die."
She said that the terrified kids were saying, "I just want Christmas…I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas." <<<<

I'm done following this for a while.

Going for a walk...

 

[preslove]

You don't seem to understand what "precedent" means...they aren't going to revisit the case should someone retire and get replaced with a left wing looney, it's done and over with, you lost, get over it

Uh... those 5-4 judgements broke long standing precedent. Jesus christ you are an idiot.

 

[corwin]

I'm implying that it is unsafe to have dozens of loaded firearms wandering the halls of every elementary school.

Why? If those guns are in the hands of responsible individuals charged watching over our children? You make it sound like letting a tiger loose to wander the halls, that's idiotic...it would give teachers and option other than hiding under their desk and waiting for armed mad men to come in killing them all like what just ahppened

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Let's ban fried foods. They kill people by causing heart disease.
What does this have to do with guns? Absolutely nothing but that doesn't stop the car comparisons either.

 

[sixone]

Where are these criminals opening up on innocent bystanders?

Check the news sites. It happened in a school in Newtown, CT. Maybe you've heard of it.

 

[corwin]

Uh... those 5-4 judgements broke long standing precedent. Jesus christ you are an idiot.

Negative...there was no precedent prior to that ruling, the SC had never ruled on the meaning of the 2nd before that. Again, you lost, get over it

 

[TallBill]

Agreed. Arming teachers is only asking for more trouble. We can't expect to give a 60 year old woman an Uzi and tell her to protect her class with it. That can't possibly end well.

I can expect to give the teacher the ability to defend themselves if they so choose to. After 9/11, there was the ability for pilots to defend themselves.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Gun control nuts: GUYS THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS OUTDATED. BAN THE ASSAULT WEAPONS NAO.

Gun nuts: I WANT MY GUN SO WHEN THE CHINESE INVADE I CAN FIGHT THEM OFF. OUR GUNS KEEP OUR GOVERNMENT IN CHECK.

Really? I love it when people have these fantasies that without assault weapons, dangerous weapons cease to exist. Of course we can't forget the fantasy of some revolution where our oppressive government gets overthrown, or when movies like Red Dawn come to reality.

 

[torpid]

Why? If those guns are in the hands of responsible individuals charged watching over our children? You make it sound like letting a tiger loose to wander the halls, that's idiotic...it would give teachers and option other than hiding under their desk and waiting for armed mad men to come in killing them all like what just ahppened

I don't think you understood the scenario I assumed was being proposed. It was not a well-trained single teacher being allowed in their one instance to carry firearms. In any case how is what you wrote any more reasonable than having on-site police officers (which would also be completely ineffective but certainly less ridiculous)?

 

[sixone]

I'm implying that it is unsafe to have dozens of loaded firearms wandering the halls of every elementary school in the hands of middle-aged and often frail and untrained citizens.

Dozens aren't required. Only one, in the hands of someone with training.

This is why no one ever goes into police stations and starts shooting. Instead, they pick places where guns are illegal and/or discouraged.

 

[WelshBloke]

Why? If those guns are in the hands of responsible individuals charged watching over our children? You make it sound like letting a tiger loose to wander the halls, that's idiotic...it would give teachers and option other than hiding under their desk and waiting for armed mad men to come in killing them all like what just ahppened

I'm going to say that teachers being armed wont happen due to school liability issues.

You might see armed security though.

 

[preslove]

Negative...there was no precedent prior to that ruling, the SC had never ruled on the meaning of the 2nd before that. Again, you lost, get over it

WTF are you talking about? There were quite a few before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Again, you are a fucking idiot.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Yet cars kill far more people per year than all the guns in the world put together..

nice try but no.
any tool can be taken and used the wrong way.
A gun in the right hands is a meal ticket or defence..
in the wrong it becomes a tool of evil..
same can be said for alot of things.

I'll repeat it again.

What is the purpose of semi-auto weapons? Home defence? No, they're a very poor choice for that. You'll probably just kill your own kids or the neighbors. Hunting? Haha.

The sole purpose of these weapons is killing people.

Cars are designed to get people from point A to B. They are a critical part of the global economy.

To compare the two is farcical.

But your logic we should allow citizens to purchase anything they want. Car full of C4 explosives? Hey, go for it. $400 from walmart.