BREAKING: Parts of healthcare law ruled unconstitutional

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Better a contempt for a corrupt and tyrannical government than a hypocritical contempt for the wellbeing of American citizens.

Only in America can an attempt to make health insurance available to everyone be labeled as contempt for the well being of American citizens. Spin, spin right wing spin machine!

 

[ElFenix]

LOL! Upholding The Constitution to prevent government intrusion isn't activism.

Ruling that The Constitution ALLOWS government intrusion is. The Constitution PREVENTS the federal government from doing a lot of things, upholding that prevention isn't judicial activism.

Saying The Constitution ALLOWS government behavior, rather than prevent it is the different between a constitutional abiding judge and a liberal judicial activist. That's the very definition, using the judges to rule against the Constitution is judicial activism, the opposite is not.

eh? the classic judicial activism is the determination that there is a constitutional right to privacy and so laws are struck down as unconstitutional

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Only in America can an attempt to make health insurance available to everyone be labeled as contempt for the well being of American citizens. Spin, spin right wing spin machine!

Forcing people to buy health insurance is "making it available"? Interesting choice of words.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Only in America can an attempt to make health insurance available to everyone be labeled as contempt for the well being of American citizens. Spin, spin right wing spin machine!

Wait, did you even read the question? It had nothing to do with your response.

Let me put it to you and see how you answer. Don't obfuscate with "health care for all" or any other tangent.

If government ever did take control of health care and created regulations that had the unintended consequence of harming a patient, should the physician do what's best for the patient or follow the regulation, and what consequence ought to be if he chooses the patient's well being?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Forcing people to buy health insurance is "making it available"? Interesting choice of words.

Again, a tax penalty isn't forcing anyone to do anything other than to make a choice to pay it or not.

 

[Skitzer]

Sorry, impeachment is reserved only for presidents who get blowjobs from fat intern chicks.

She wasn't fat,. just a little overweight ... a BBW if you will.

 

[Linflas]

Again, a tax penalty isn't forcing anyone to do anything other than to make a choice to pay it or not.

Again, Congress cannot say explicitly it is not a tax when passing the bill so they can claim no taxes were raised when passing health care reform then defend the provision as a tax when challenged in court.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Again, a tax penalty isn't forcing anyone to do anything other than to make a choice to pay it or not.

Good one.

So if I were to come to your house and tell you to sell it or I was going to tax you 100K, you would be free from coercion?

It's a choice alright, one of Hobson's.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Again, a tax penalty isn't forcing anyone to do anything other than to make a choice to pay it or not.

I like this thinking. "Well, we're not FORCING you to buy health insurance. You don't HAVE to buy it, but if you don't, we're going to force you to pay Uncle Sam."

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Wait, did you even read the question? It had nothing to do with your response.

Let me put it to you and see how you answer. Don't obfuscate with "health care for all" or any other tangent.

The government hasn't taken over healthcare to any such extent. You apply BS like that to the current situation and you accuse others of obfuscating? I stand by my statement, I've never seen people whipped up in such frenzy against their own self interests. It's obscene.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Good one.

So if I were to come to your house and tell you to sell it or I was going to tax you 100K, you would be free from coercion?

It's a choice alright, one of Hobson's.

Conditional taxes and deductions are coercion, I make no argument otherwise. But they are also constitutional.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I like this thinking. "Well, we're not FORCING you to buy health insurance. You don't HAVE to buy it, but if you don't, we're going to force you to pay Uncle Sam."

It's pretty interesting. The government could give you a choice of doing anything they say or face ruin.

Don't worry, you have a choice.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The government hasn't taken over healthcare to any such extent. You apply BS like that to the current situation and you accuse others of obfuscating? I stand by my statement, I've never seen people whipped up in such frenzy against their own self interests. It's obscene.

Of course you do. You are diverting from a direct question and answer. You decided to get in the middle of it and go in a different direction. Congrats, Sarah Palin.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Of course you do. You are diverting from a direct question and answer. You decided to get in the middle of it and go in a different direction. Congrats, Sarah Palin.

If you and MotF Bane are willing to flat out admit that this bill isn't some sort of affront on the well being of American citizens I'll retract my statement as a response to that specific hypothetical argument. Because surely that's not what it was meant to insinuate, right?

 

[CLite]

We are forced to pay social security and we are forced to pay for medicare. I don't see how this would be any different with regards to constitutionality, although in this case the government wouldn't be providing the service but it is hoping to stem free-loaders who would cost money with ER visits/etc anyways. This is the same reason that social security and medicare aren't optional.

 

[Vette73]

We are forced to pay social security and we are forced to pay for medicare. I don't see how this would be any different with regards to constitutionality, although in this case the government wouldn't be providing the service but it is hoping to stem free-loaders who would cost money with ER visits/etc anyways. This is the same reason that social security and medicare aren't optional.

I was also thinking that. If this makes it to the SC and they cut it down then whats to stop a state from saying "people can not be forced into a retirement plan...".

 

[bignateyk]

Only if you work or have a job that makes money. Otherwise, you don't have to contribute! That's not exactly forcing isn't it? and BTW, don't even mention car insurance, it's analogy has been long debunked.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Wow late contender for dumbest comment of 2010? Care to expand on this, or just troll your boat down the stream?

Do you know who that is? He's got the top 500 dumbest comments almost shared equal with COW.

I think both are trolling for responses.

No one is that daft, it's just not possible.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If you and MotF Bane are willing to flat out admit that this bill isn't some sort of affront on the well being of American citizens I'll retract my statement as a response to that specific hypothetical argument. Because surely that's not what it was meant to insinuate, right?

I have already had to deal with a non hypothetical instance of this and a man died because of it. Medicaid regulations were changed and new numbers were put into the computer system before all the card were issued. A homeless patient who needed thousands of dollars of medications to keep his aggressive AIDS at bay. When this was pointed out we were told by the Medicaid representative that it was illegal to give out the numbers to anyone. He'd have to wait six weeks for a card. I didn't have the 7 or 8K in my pocket to cover them.

He died.

As for me, the concept of the government being allowed to dictate anything it wants with impunity by threatening to ruin someone or take for services not rendered is a greater harm than not having this bill.

 

[MotF Bane]

"I was only following orders"

Haha, win. :awe:

Only in America can an attempt to make health insurance available to everyone be labeled as contempt for the well being of American citizens. Spin, spin right wing spin machine!

Try reading. It might be helpful once in a while.

Of course you do. You are diverting from a direct question and answer. You decided to get in the middle of it and go in a different direction. Congrats, Sarah Palin.

At least senseamp has the, ahem, gonads to admit he's an authoritarian, unlike Mr. Gonad the Duh-vert here.

 

[ayabe]

Well it will be more expensive overall to keep these people uninsured, but nevermind that, this is about freedom!!!11!

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I have already had to deal with a non hypothetical instance of this and a man died because of it. Medicaid regulations were changed and new numbers were put into the computer system before all the card were issued. A homeless patient who needed thousands of dollars of medications to keep his aggressive AIDS at bay. When this was pointed out we were told by the Medicaid representative that it was illegal to give out the numbers to anyone. He'd have to wait six weeks for a card. I didn't have the 7 or 8K in my pocket to cover them.

He died.

As for me, the concept of the government being allowed to dictate anything it wants with impunity by threatening to ruin someone or take for services not rendered is a greater harm than not having this bill.

If I remember correctly your beef is with NY, not the federal government or this bill. It's sad and inexcusable something like that could happen, but there are numerous other scenarios where a lack of government involvement is leading to people's deaths.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Haha, win. :awe:



Try reading. It might be helpful once in a while.



At least senseamp has the, ahem, gonads to admit he's an authoritarian, unlike Mr. Gonad the Duh-vert here.

So, are you willing to admit that this isn't some affront to citizenry's well being or not? The fact is my statement stands on its own, whether it's in response to that specific scenario or not.

 

[MotF Bane]

So, are you willing to admit that this isn't some affront to citizenry's well being or not? The fact is my statement stands on its own, whether it's in response to that specific scenario or not.

You still haven't answered the question. Apparently, "just following orders" works fine for you.

 

[Jaskalas]

Note that pre-existing condition exclusion rule was not struck down, only the individual mandate. This will bankrupt the health insurance industry.

That's what Republicans have been saying about the bill since day1. Best way to implement single payer is to remove the competition.