Breaking News: Canada has a Navy

[OutHouse]

Originally Posted by iGas View Post
Perhaps Canada doesn't have the power to stop the US or others, but so far we manage to deterred a complete take over.

IMHO Canada have a good chance of holding our ground since most if not all US machinery are now made in poor quality China. Some US product aren't that well made as well, such as the U.S.S Thresher that sank due to poor workmanship.

wow igas can you fail any harder?

 

[J-Money]

I have it on a good source that Rabidmongoose is the bastard child of either a dirty Quebecois lumberjack or a Newfie.





ps the source is his mom.

 

[J-Money]

I think smart Americans and probably even the US itself (behind closed doors) would rather the passage be Canadian anyway.

If it is Canadian controlled, the US would have no problem sending whatever they want through it and would likely have a say on what else gets through. Being international everyone can send whatever through it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have it on a good source that Rabidmongoose is the bastard child of either a dirty Quebecois lumberjack or a Newfie.





ps the source is his mom.

A dirty Quebecois lumberjack or a Newfie!!!!! That's below the belt.

Maybe he's from West Newfoundland............Ft McMurray

 

[MotF Bane]

Between LiuKang, Rabid, and iGas, I don't even know where to begin with this thread. D:

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

You didn't answer my question. Have you ever served in the US Navy?

Just because the US Navy gives information on what comprises a Carrier Strike (Battle) Group it doesn't mean that Cruisers, Destroyers, Submarines can't be deployed on special assignment patrols. The US Navy has been doing so for many years.

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No what I meant is they get assigned in battle groups. That doesn't mean the sub will stay close. they will be around in supposrt of that group but can be actually a long way away from the group. In the Cold war and when nuclear missiles was use and before the ships was fitted with nuclear engines it went and wonder off by its own because it could stay for months at sea. But it has changed because ships can do that now as well because most are nuclear powered. Ones that fire ballistics will still be in a group but will break off at some time to get into its position. Its hard to detect a sub anyways but to combat anti sub air defenses and such destroyers and other ships will be in support if necessary. You are correct they will never say where all the subs are but they will normally just where a battle group are. There will be subs places we don't know or expect because sometimes russian subs travel along the coast of the US.

That report I linked and quoted was one where they said they will use the navy in battlegroups to make it more effective. That was from 2003 onwards.
So i'm not saying they are there or anything just said they been added into battlegroups and some you will find with that battlegroup. But no one really know where all of them are except your intelligence and the main blokes in charge of the navy

My apologies if I sounded crude earlier its been htting 40 here for days and feels like i'm stuck in a sonar

 

[Exterous]

But it has changed because ships can do that now as well because most are nuclear powered.

Goddamn - how much false information are you going to add to your postss? The ONLY nuclear powered ships the US navy has are its carriers and subs. Those DO NOT make up the majority (most) of the ships.

So i'm not saying they are there or anything just said they been added into battlegroups and some you will find with that battlegroup.

If you now admit that is not where ALL the submarines what was even the point of your earlier posts? It would have been better to say 'a lot of them can be found with these groups' but even that adds little to nothing to the discussion. Or was it just that you got caught in your ignorance?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Goddamn - how much false information are you going to add to your postss? The ONLY nuclear powered ships the US navy has are its carriers and subs. Those DO NOT make up the majority (most) of the ships.



If you now admit that is not where ALL the submarines what was even the point of your earlier posts? It would have been better to say 'a lot of them can be found with these groups' but even that adds little to nothing to the discussion. Or was it just that you got caught in your ignorance?

False information? A battlegroup consist of a Nimitz class Aircraft carrier. So WTF are you talking about?

 

[Exterous]

False information? A battlegroup consist of a Nimitz class Aircraft carrier. So WTF are you talking about?

You said most ships are nuclear powered. (You never even mentioned carriers in that post - just 'ships')The US Navy has more ships in it than Nimitz class carriers and most of those ships are not nuclear powered

You know that the word ships does not equal Nimitz class Aircraft Carrier right? There are still cruisers, frigates and destroyers and none of those are nuclear powered

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

You said most ships are nuclear powered. (You never even mentioned carriers in that post - just 'ships')The US Navy has more ships in it than Nimitz class carriers and most of those ships are not nuclear powered

You know that the word ships does not equal Nimitz class Aircraft Carrier right? There are still cruisers, frigates and destroyers and none of those are nuclear powered

Most ships Air craft carriers yes. Thats what I meant. Theres a logistics ship that carry the ammunition and fuel in the group. That is made possible thanks to the newer carriers because of the increase firepower and manpower. I did not say destroyers and such are nuclear powered. Your trying to twist my words and find a something which isn't there. I am not the one who said submarines travel alone like lone rangers to avoid attention. That's BS

The Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups (CVBG) consist of a carrier, its embarked air wing, and various escorts -- cruisers, destroyers, frigates, attack submarines, and attached logistics ships. Each Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) comprises a large-deck amphibious assault ship, two to four amphibious ships [transport dock ship or dock landing ship], and an embarked Marine expeditionary unit (special operations capable), or MEU(SOC). Battle Groups and ARGs may operate independently as naval expeditionary task groups, or they may coalesce into a single naval expeditionary task force (1 CVBG + 1 ARG).

 

[cybrsage]

AFAIK, they now have two subs in each battle group. Or at least they were tryign to do that when I left the submarine force in the mid 90s.

 

[Exterous]

Most ships Air craft carriers yes. Thats what I meant. Theres a logistics ship that carry the ammunition and fuel in the group. That is made possible thanks to the newer carriers because of the increase firepower and manpower. I did not say destroyers and such are nuclear powered. Your trying to twist my words and find a something which isn't there.

No - I am taking your words exactly as you write them. Maybe you are not as familiar with the English sentance structure but the sentance below does not, in any way, make it appear as though you are only referring to Aircraft Carriers. In fact it is exactly the opposite. You said 'ships'. Without specifying differently this would then include ALL the ships. Then you included 'most'. Now since we are including ALL the ships it is clear that your statement is incorrect as MOST ships are NOT nuclear powered. There is no twist involved - I am just interpreting your words exactly as you have typed them regarldess of a different intent on your part

But it has changed because ships can do that now as well because most are nuclear powered."

 

[gorb]

That guy seriously thinks every sub in the US navy has to be part of a carrier battle group? lol.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

No - I am taking your words exactly as you write them. Maybe you are not as familiar with the English sentance structure but the sentance below does not, in any way, make it appear as though you are only referring to Aircraft Carriers. In fact it is exactly the opposite. You said 'ships'. Without specifying differently this would then include ALL the ships. Then you included 'most'. Now since we are including ALL the ships it is clear that your statement is incorrect as MOST ships are NOT nuclear powered. There is no twist involved - I am just interpreting your words exactly as you have typed them regarldess of a different intent on your part

Carriers are the heart of a group. Did I say all? No I said most. Try again.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

That guy seriously thinks every sub in the US navy has to be part of a carrier battle group? lol.

Who said every sub? Most subs belongs to battle groups NOT all. Get your facts straight

 

[cybrsage]

I cannot say what they do today, but during the 90s, most subs were not part of a battle group. The ballistic subs never are (they have to hide, and a suface ship cannot hide), and only about half the fast attacks were assigned to carrier groups. The other half were out hunting enemy ballistic subs and needed quiet to be successful...and suface ships cannot be quiet.

 

[OutHouse]

Who said every sub? Most subs belongs to battle groups NOT all. Get your facts straight

no they do not.

why dont you stop and listen to people who acutally SERVED IN THE US NAVY who know what the fuck they are talking about. instead of taking shit you read on the internet as the truth and nothing but the truth and Navy veterans are wrong.

dude its obvious you have no experience at all with naval warfare or even the operations of US warships. so if i were you i would stop posting wrong info.

 

[gorb]

Who said every sub? Most subs belongs to battle groups NOT all. Get your facts straight

I'm not the one posting all the incorrect or irrelevant shit. Reread your first few posts in the topic.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

no they do not.

why dont you stop and listen to people who acutally SERVED IN THE US NAVY who know what the fuck they are talking about. instead of taking shit you read on the internet as the truth and nothing but the truth and Navy veterans are wrong.

dude its obvious you have no experience at all with naval warfare or even the operations of US warships. so if i were you i would stop posting wrong info.

This ^

USN EMC (SW) (MTS) 1978 - 1990

 

[OutHouse]

I am not the one who said submarines travel alone like lone rangers to avoid attention. That's BS

they do travel alone, thats the fucking point of their operations UNLESS they are with a battle group.

 

[cybrsage]

this ^

usn emc (sw) (mts) 1978 - 1990

USN EM1(SS) 1987-1995



Why does it keep making my typing lower case? Ahh...if ALL your typing is upper case, it changes it all to lower.

 

[hal2kilo]

Where are all the submarines located?

That information is top secret.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That information is top secret.

This are true, very true!!!

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

they do travel alone, thats the fucking point of their operations UNLESS they are with a battle group.

What is the use if they are travelling alone and not part of a battle group. Tell me their mandate so you can see how wrong your Fucking point is.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What is the use if they are travelling alone and not part of a battle group. Tell me their mandate so you can see how wrong your Fucking point is.

They travel alone to prevent being detected. Their mandate is to keep track of the US' enemies via covert means.