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LiuKangBakinPie

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LMAO!!!! You have no fucking clue so you paste useless crap.

No first off all the subs will belong to a battle group. Thats why I provided the links what the battle groups consist off.
Strike Group
a carrier
a guided missile cruiser
two guided missile destroyers
an attack submarine

Look at the carriers and put 1 and 1 together where you will find the subs.
So in short
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Londo_Jowo

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No first off all the subs will belong to a battle group. Thats why I provided the links what the battle groups consist off.
Strike Group
a carrier
a guided missile cruiser
two guided missile destroyers
an attack submarine

Look at the carriers and put 1 and 1 together where you will find the subs.
So in short
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How many years have you spent in the US Navy?
 

Exterous

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Look at the carriers and put 1 and 1 together where you will find the subs.

We have ~70 subs - not saying we have any patrolling Canadian waters but we have enough that a single sub per Carrier group does not equal all the subs in the USN. Furthermore, Balistic missile subs typically travel ALONE as to not draw attention to themselves
 

jstern01

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No first off all the subs will belong to a battle group. Thats why I provided the links what the battle groups consist off.
Strike Group
a carrier
a guided missile cruiser
two guided missile destroyers
an attack submarine

Look at the carriers and put 1 and 1 together where you will find the subs.
So in short
upskirtfail.jpg

While US Carrier Groups do deploy attack subs for anti sub duty, the US has more than 7 attack subs in its fleet, plus repurposed boomers. It is probably safe to say that said deployments included the Artic areas as a matter of course.
 

Zargon

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While US Carrier Groups do deploy attack subs for anti sub duty, the US has more than 7 attack subs in its fleet, plus repurposed boomers. It is probably safe to say that said deployments included the Artic areas as a matter of course.

I would bet on it
 

monovillage

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I can neither confirm or deny the existence of U.S. ships in Canadian territorial waters.


edit: thanks Londo
 
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randomrogue

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He just posts anything anti-Canada that he can. Every single thread about Canada has a post from him ripping on it.

I think he was assaulted by a Canada goose or something.

It was horrible! Truly horrible! I think the beak is still lodged in his body. We did our best to remove it in one piece but it was just too far up there.
 

CanOWorms

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He just posts anything anti-Canada that he can. Every single thread about Canada has a post from him ripping on it.

I think he was assaulted by a Canada goose or something.

You post anything anti-anti-Canada that you can, even when it's the majority position. Every single criticism of Canada has a post from you ripping on it.

I think that the Queen brainwashed you into being the SuperCanadianPatriot 5000. What a magnificent machine!
 

silverpig

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You post anything anti-anti-Canada that you can, even when it's the majority position. Every single criticism of Canada has a post from you ripping on it.

I think that the Queen brainwashed you into being the SuperCanadianPatriot 5000. What a magnificent machine!

No I don't.

You've already got a ton of posts in the Keystone thread. I still remember BS from you during the Olympics where you insinuated that Canada was intentionally killing competitors with unsafe conditions so we could win more.

I'm no fan of the tar sands either by the way. Yeah, the Airborne in Sudan was terrible but we disbanded the entire regiment. What has happened to the US regiments who ran Abu Ghraib, and who were using Afghani fingers as poker chips?

We don't do everything right, but you consistently and repeatedly bring it up while ignoring all the good Canada does and the bad that others do.
 

CanOWorms

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Not seeing a problem. Canada has protect its territories, and if the UN has established a mess of rules, and Russia is trying to seize international waters, then blame the UN and Russia, not Canada.

It's Canada trying to seize international waters, not Russia. Canada is flaunting international norms and standards.
 

silverpig

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No, it's not. They are categorized differently.

Goes right through Canada.

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No matter which way you go, you are within the archipelago of Canada's northern islands. This means they are internal waters and Canada has full jurisdiction.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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How many years have you spent in the US Navy?

In the CNO Guidance for 2003 Admiral Vernon Clark stipulated that the terms "Carrier Battle Groups" and "Amphibious Readiness Groups" would no longer be the standards terms and that they would be replaced by Carrier Strike Groups and Expeditionary Strike Groups, respectively, by March 2003. The goal being to find ways to effectively produce naval capability in a more efficient manner.

Under this initiative, Cruiser-Destroyer and Carrier Groups are designated as Carrier Strike Groups (CSG) and aligned directly under the numbered fleet commanders. This realignment gives key operational leaders authority and direct access to the people needed to more effectively accomplish the Navy's mission. Formerly, Carrier Group (CARGRU) and Cruiser-Destroyer Group (CRUDESGRU) staffs were under the administrative authority of the air and surface type commanders (TYCOM). With this new initiative, authority and control will come from the numbered fleet commanders who are responsible for the training and certification of the entire Strike Group. The organizational structure to support the Carrier Strike Groups focuses more on placing Strike Group commanders under the authority of the certifying officer, or the numbered fleet commander.

Under this concept, the warfare distinction of either the air-side or the surface-side is removed and is unified as Carrier Strike Groups.

The carrier strike group (CVSG) provides the full range of capabilities that were present in carrier battle groups. It remains the joint task force commander's premier power projection option. However, because surface combatants will be needed for Expeditionary Strike Groups and Surface Action Groups, the number of ships escorting the carrier would be reduced.

In the new concept, the CVSG would deploy with three or four surface combatants, all Aegis ships. With the introduction of an improved E-2C Hawkeye aircraft and CEC, these ships would provide the group with sufficient defense against the most likely air, surface and subsurface threats.

In larger scale conflict or higher threat scenarios, combining multiple CVSGs with SAGs and ESGs would provide the level of combat capability, power projection and force protection required. This consolidated group is known as the expeditionary strike force (ESF).

It is important to note that there really is no real definition of a strike group. Strike groups are formed and disestablished on an as needed basis, and one may be different from another. However, they all are comprised of similar types of ships. Typically a carrier strike group might have:

a carrier - The carrier provides a wide range of options to the U.S. government from simply showing the flag to attacks on airborne, afloat and ashore targets. Because carriers operate in international waters, its aircraft do not need to secure landing rights on foreign soil. These ships also engage in sustained operations in support of other forces.
two guided missile cruisers - multi-mission surface combatants. Equipped with Tomahawks for long-range strike capability.
a guided missile destroyer - multi-mission suface combatant, used primarily for anti-air warfare (AAW)
a destroyer - primarily for anti-submarine warfare (ASW)
a frigate - primarily for anti-submarine warfare (ASW)
two attack submarines - in a direct support role seeking out and destroying hostile surface ships and submarines
a combined ammunition, oiler, and supply ship - provides logistic support enabling the Navy's forward presence: on station, ready to respond

The Carrier Strike Group (CVSG) could be employed in a variety of roles, all of which would involve the gaining and maintenance of sea control:

Protection of economic and/or military shipping.
Protection of a Marine amphibious force while enroute to, and upon arrival in, an amphibious objective area.
Establishing a naval presence in support of national interests.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2004/09/mil-040910-nns01.htm
 

CanOWorms

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No I don't.

Yes, you do.

You've already got a ton of posts in the Keystone thread.

2 posts? I didn't realize that we had a quota!

I still remember BS from you during the Olympics where you insinuated that Canada was intentionally killing competitors with unsafe conditions so we could win more.

I still remember BS from you during that debacle, too.

I'm no fan of the tar sands either by the way. Yeah, the Airborne in Sudan was terrible but we disbanded the entire regiment. What has happened to the US regiments who ran Abu Ghraib, and who were using Afghani fingers as poker chips?

The Airborne was Somalia. I'm referring to Talisman Energy and the Canadian government's support of it despite knowledge of Talisman's complicity in slavery and murder.

We don't do everything right, but you consistently and repeatedly bring it up while ignoring all the good Canada does and the bad that others do.

I wasn't aware that we're required to balance criticism with feel-good stories here.
 

CanOWorms

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Goes right through Canada.

arcticmap-nwpass3.gif


No matter which way you go, you are within the archipelago of Canada's northern islands. This means they are internal waters and Canada has full jurisdiction.

It supposedly being internal waters isn't sufficient. Canada's claims are rejected by the international community.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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We have ~70 subs - not saying we have any patrolling Canadian waters but we have enough that a single sub per Carrier group does not equal all the subs in the USN. Furthermore, Balistic missile subs typically travel ALONE as to not draw attention to themselves

The number of nuclear-powered attack submarines in the U.S. force has fallen from a peak of 98 in the late 1980s to 53 at the end of fiscal year 2010, a decline that roughly matches a drop in the overall size of the Navy since the end of the Cold War. Each Virginia-class attack submarine costs about $2.6 billion and carries a crew of roughly 135 officers and sailors.

And no they travel in a group. Doesn't mean they are sitting on each others bum as they can be miles apart which makes them still part of the group. They protect each other better that way and its harder to pick up a sub between other ships than a sub cruising alone on its own Lone Ranger style unless you believe Down Periscope is the US Navy
 
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This is probably related to Canadian hostilities towards international straits. Canadians are very hostile to the world right now, but they will obviously be defeated. This is the first step, IMO.