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Brainwashing Camp for Gay Kids

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Sending children to such camps, IF the camps are as portrayed is just as bad as forcing children in government run schools that homosexuality and oral sex are preferred and should be tried.
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The kid is a minor. This isn't some government run institution.

If he thinks he can make it on his own, tell him file for emancipation. There are some who are beyond our help.

Besides, we already have people trying to cram homosexuality into our public schools. :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: zendari
The desire for male anatomy may be chosen on a more subconscious level, but like all desires it can be overcome. And those who do are heroes. :thumbsup:
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Why is "choice" such a big issue with you and your ilk? You know this is an intellecutal subterfuge.

What? You don't think so?

Question: If it were proven to your satisfaction that homosexuals did not make a "choice" and that homosexuality were absolutely NOT a mental illness, would you THEN wholeheartedly accept gays, consider them completely normal, accept same-sex marriage, and not label their sexual behavior a sin?

I thought not. So let's drop the "choice" nonsense and get down to what's really going on here:

You have a religious belief, and that belief tells you that homosexuality is a sin. Period. It has nothing to do with psychology, science, or any other objective, demonstrable truth. As much as you'd like to prop up your "truth" with pseudo-scientific arguments, it is all religion and faith for you.

Now, practice saying what you REALLY believe:

"My religion tells me that homosexuality is a sin. I don't care if other religions disagree. My religion is what matters to me. And therefore I think society should make laws that are in accordance with my religious views with respect to homosexuality. And parents should treat their homosexual children as though they are mentally ill, even if they are not actually mentally ill."
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Homosexuality is neither a choice, mental illness, or instilled 'property' of any human being.

It comes from a combination of some instilled properties as well as the enviroment that the person develops in. I liken it to to steaight guys talking about chicks, one of the guys think this one girl is hot, the other thinks she is but ass ugly. Which opinion is right? That judjement was neither a choice or something that person simply always had and always will/would have. And five years down the road those two men might think just the oppisite about that woman.

Homosexuality is the same way. It is not necesarily a consient choice, nor is it a mental illness. It is a preference. And yes I do believe it is a sin, but that's only an issue for some one who is aspiring to be a christian.
 
Originally posted by: newParadime
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: zendari
The desire for male anatomy may be chosen on a more subconscious level, but like all desires it can be overcome. And those who do are heroes. :thumbsup:
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Why is "choice" such a big issue with you and your ilk? You know this is an intellecutal subterfuge.

What? You don't think so?

Question: If it were proven to your satisfaction that homosexuals did not make a "choice" and that homosexuality were absolutely NOT a mental illness, would you THEN wholeheartedly accept gays, consider them completely normal, accept same-sex marriage, and not label their sexual behavior a sin?

I thought not. So let's drop the "choice" nonsense and get down to what's really going on here:

You have a religious belief, and that belief tells you that homosexuality is a sin. Period. It has nothing to do with psychology, science, or any other objective, demonstrable truth. As much as you'd like to prop up your "truth" with pseudo-scientific arguments, it is all religion and faith for you.

Now, practice saying what you REALLY believe:

"My religion tells me that homosexuality is a sin. I don't care if other religions disagree. My religion is what matters to me. And therefore I think society should make laws that are in accordance with my religious views with respect to homosexuality. And parents should treat their homosexual children as though they are mentally ill, even if they are not actually mentally ill."
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Homosexuality is neither a choice, mental illness, or instilled 'property' of any human being.

It comes from a combination of some instilled properties as well as the enviroment that the person develops in. I liken it to to steaight guys talking about chicks, one of the guys think this one girl is hot, the other thinks she is but ass ugly. Which opinion is right? That judjement was neither a choice or something that person simply always had and always will/would have. And five years down the road those two men might think just the oppisite about that woman.

Homosexuality is the same way. It is not necesarily a consient choice, nor is it a mental illness. It is a preference. And yes I do believe it is a sin, but that's only an issue for some one who is aspiring to be a christian.
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Well put:thumbsup:
 
The kid is a minor. This isn't some government run institution.

If he thinks he can make it on his own, tell him file for emancipation. There are some who are beyond our help.

Besides, we already have people trying to cram homosexuality into our public schools.
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Just because it isn't a government run institution, doesn't mean that parents are allowed to abuse their children.

No one wants your sick deluded help.

If by "cram homosexuality into our public schools," you mean "telling children that certain people are born/chosetobe gay and that they're just as much a person as anyone else" then yes we are cramming it into our public school system. This isn't a country only for intolerant religious asses. This is a country for every belief so long as it don't trample the rights of anyone else. Just because you're living in the past when it comes to such social issues, doesn't mean that would teach our children that nonsense.
 
Originally posted by: bthorny
I really don't see how anyone could agree with what this camp is doing....
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Only a pure fool, and I emphasize fool could agree. One has to be almost insane to think that Jesus would have ever supported anything resembling this.

All you "Christians" ought to be a shame of yourselves, and if there is a hell, there is likely a special section reserved for intolerant pigs like yourselves.
 
I was once a summer camp counselor. There were always a few kids who weren't having fun and didn't seem to enjoy that. So everyone else made a special effort to help them out. The kid is lucky his parents care so much about him that they want to help. I don't really know why everyone is up in arms unless the rest of y'all are queers.
 
It's called human rights you troll. I can't stand people trampling on people's rights.

You're calling us queers, lol. You're so filled with hate.
 
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: zendari
Besides, we already have people trying to cram homosexuality into our public schools. :disgust:
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This is a problem... why?
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People don't want their kids taught how to be gay, and that its right to be gay, and that he/she should want to be gay.....theres more than enough of that going on elsewhere in the world and the media.

It must be the new fad, kind of like Britney Spears a few years ago. It'll pass in time I suppose.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And people do not want ignorant parents screwing people up more with backwards attitudes....too bad.
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Parents aren't teaching in schools, merely trying to sheild their children.
 
People don't want their kids taught how to be gay, and that its right to be gay, and that he/she should want to be gay.....theres more than enough of that going on elsewhere in the world and the media.
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What the hell? They aren't teaching kids how to be gay. They're not teaching that kids should be gay.

You cannot teach someone to be gay. There's either an attraction there or there's not. If a kid is gay, they'll figure it out on their own using instinct.

You're so deluded. All they are saying is that it's okay to be gay. And you actually have a problem with that. You're a sick, sick deluded person.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Besides, we already have people trying to cram homosexuality into our public schools. :disgust:
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Are you also against natural selection and darwinism being taught in school?

What is so wrong with teaching kids to accept people who are different? Nobody is "teaching" or "telling" them to be gay, they are being told that gay people are just that...people.

This camp is not going to help these kids. In the long run it will probably have the opposite effect and turn most of them against that religion.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
A new study which analyzed tens of thousands of gay obituaries and compared them with AIDS deaths data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), has shown that the life expectancy for homosexuals is about twenty years shorter than that of the general public. The study, entitled ?Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS?, has been published in Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697).

Yet Another Study Confirms Gay Life Expectancy 20 Years Shorter
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Yet another reason not to be homosexual. But if they want to be homosexual, that's fine with me as long as they don't publicly declare it, show it, or otherwise publicize it. If they keep on saying sexual orientation is a private matter, then KEEP IT THAT WAY AND STAY THE HECK OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT. That might help their cause.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
...No, the problem of people who not only approve of, but encourage this deviant and self-destructive behavior. It's like funneling beer to an alcoholic.

Yup, they are really going to get help that way. :roll:
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Whoa! Oh no! Behavior that deviates from mine! Be afraid! Be afraid! It's destructive I tell you! Waaaaaa!

...dude, you're a toolbox.
 
Originally posted by: NINaudio
Originally posted by: zendari
Besides, we already have people trying to cram homosexuality into our public schools. :disgust:
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Are you also against natural selection and darwinism being taught in school?

What is so wrong with teaching kids to accept people who are different? Nobody is "teaching" or "telling" them to be gay, they are being told that gay people are just that...people.

This camp is not going to help these kids. In the long run it will probably have the opposite effect and turn most of them against that religion.

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Please disregard this post, as it conflicts with my other one.
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I just find it ironic that you mention teaching Darwinism/Natural Selection in a post about homeosexuality, whcich would be eliminated be naturaly selection (gay people don't have kids, no more gay people).

~new
 
Originally posted by: newParadime
Originally posted by: NINaudio
Originally posted by: zendari
Besides, we already have people trying to cram homosexuality into our public schools. :disgust:
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Are you also against natural selection and darwinism being taught in school?

What is so wrong with teaching kids to accept people who are different? Nobody is "teaching" or "telling" them to be gay, they are being told that gay people are just that...people.

This camp is not going to help these kids. In the long run it will probably have the opposite effect and turn most of them against that religion.
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I just find it ironic that you mention teaching Darwinism/Natural Selection in a post about homeosexuality, whcich would be eliminated be naturaly selection (gay people don't have kids, no more gay people).

~new
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Homosexuality, while linked to genetics, has been shown to result from a multitude of factors, including genetics, environment etc. It's not like if a gay guy has sex, the kid will be gay. Plenty of bi people have straight kids and the same with heterosexuals in terms of gay kids.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
People don't want their kids taught how to be gay, and that its right to be gay, and that he/she should want to be gay.....theres more than enough of that going on elsewhere in the world and the media.
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What the hell? They aren't teaching kids how to be gay. They're not teaching that kids should be gay.

You cannot teach someone to be gay. There's either an attraction there or there's not. If a kid is gay, they'll figure it out on their own using instinct.

You're so deluded. All they are saying is that it's okay to be gay. And you actually have a problem with that. You're a sick, sick deluded person.
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"Tolerance", yup, that the ACLU forces all kids to attend and participate in gay workshops. Must be their way to turn our children into submissive queers and not only go against, but learn to hate the fundamental morals and ideals that all people should have.

Save Our Schools From Being Terrorized By Gays
 
Originally posted by: newParadime

I just find it ironic that you mention teaching Darwinism/Natural Selection in a post about homeosexuality, whcich would be eliminated be naturaly selection (gay people don't have kids, no more gay people).

~new
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By your own argument then, there would be no genetic basis for homosexuality, as it would be bred out of the species.

I brought it up because it is another thing that religious fanatics don't like being taught in school.

 
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