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Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
Well they talked about when you do a CAT scan of a womans brain and a mans brain the womans brain is very distinctly different. Smaller, large Corpus Collosum and some other traits. They also said that if the doctors were to have never see these patients not knowing what their gender was and they scanned their brains they could tell who was female and male just by looking at the brain and the activity. But when you put a gay male or female under the CAT scan it threw them off because the brain was identical to the opposite sex of the body the were inhabiting. So this leads me to think that while they were forming at birth some kind of malformation occurred. I mean if it happens with body parts and limbs and people are born autistic and such, why would this be any different?
its not necessarily a defect or malformation, perhaps just a *difference*

a much smaller portion of people are left handed than right handed, but we dont outcast them or consider that a defect even though its not *normal*

 

HumblePie

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Old news.... here let me explain it in one word....

Testostorone.

It's the gender changing hormone. It makes complete and thorough physical changes to all aspects of the human body. A fetus not exposed to it, or ARD (Andro Resistance Deficincy) I think that's the right term, will not become male. ARD means that while normal amounts of testostorone are present, the body is resistant to it's effects and a woman is born but completely sterile due to DNA still being that of a man. One X and one Y chromosome.

As stated, this hormone changes all aspect of the body including the brain. The brains of mean are overall bigger, and weigh more but are also more compartmentalized. Which means there is less connecting tissue between areas of the brain so they function more on their own and with less influence then other sections of the brain. This is need for situations that males have historically been used for. Fighting is one of them. To function with the over presence of some emotions, the parts of the brain that need to work through some overiding emotions like fear, anxiety, pain, and others need to be able to shut off from other sections of the brain. This is also why men overall have a harder time dealing with emotions then women. It is also why men's concentration on a SINGLE task can be greater then a woman.

Women's brains are smaller, but denser due to more connective tissues such as the corpus collosum. This allows more parts of the brains to talk and work in concert together which allows for multi tasking but lack of concentration and easier confusion and allows emotions to dictate actions.

There are much more differences between the sexes in terms of physiology in the bodies and brains. They are there because of the roles were are suppose to play. Men are historically the hunters, protectors, and the "weaker sex" in terms of sucseptability to disease, mutations, dying of old age, and degenerative disorders that are passed down. This is because they have an X and Y chromosome and if one is screwed, they don't have a backup. Women have 2 Y chromosomes and if one is screwed they literally do have a backup.

Men and women can never "truly" be equal because there are just somethings men are designed by nature both physically and mentally to perform that women can't do and vice versa. I'm not just talking child birthing but that's the majority of where their skills are needed and have been developed for. If you are a creationist, then we were created differently and for evolutionists were evolved differently into our roles for survival.

This also explains why some fields are predominated by men and some by women. There are exceptions to every rule, but they are not the norm. Jobs and tasks which rely heavily on focusing on one subject and concentration are going to be easier for a man to complete then a woman. Computers, engineering, mechanics, chemistry, and trauma surgeons for example are almost going to be jobs done by men. Some jobs, like doctors, are going to have both men and women but since there are different specialities of jobs a doctor can be, certain ones will be for men or women predominately due to natural abilities. As stated, you are more then likely to have a surgeon as a male but a pediatrician as a female.

I'm not saying either gender roles, abilities, and limitations are good or bad. Together, we make a whole. Men and women are two halves of the same coin and one is needed for one set of jobs most of the time and the other is needed for another set of jobs. Together we get everything done.
 

yobarman

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Is this like skullfvcking?




Haha.... maybe too early for that joke. Cover your eyes kids.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: LolaWiz
there was a show about this on the Discovery Channel a while ago. It is very interesting to me.
I also think it is very interesting in the way transgender peoples brains are as well... the show was pretty scientific about it all.

Nothing on the Discovery channel is scientific anymore, they have to relate to the masses now with everything they say ("that's enough matter to fill 985 football stadiums!" "that's so far that if a string spanned that distance, it would go from NY to SF and back 568 times!"). And it works, look how successful they've been.

Ok, back on topic, sorry about that.
 

LookingGlass

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I've always been told my Corpus Collosum is really thick.

They say in the book that a womans Corpus Collosum is thicker than the males and this allows her the ability to multitask much better than a man.

I meant that as a joke. I was referring to...um..well nevermind. :p

Hah, hah, I got that one instantly. :p
 

LED

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JK...Ummm maybe Women are better @ multitasking because they are Dual Whole/Core ? :p
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Continuity28
Through my experience, a person raised in a different household, and a different environment as a whole will probably act very differently. I don't think all of this is rock solid since birth. An only girl in a family of men won't be as girly, won't seem to think much different than a man on some things, because of her upbringing. Would this mean a persons experiences physically changes their brain, or does it mean the brain is physically no different, just behavior?


As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.
In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY??? I mean, if someone is bisexual, I can see where you would say that they "chose" that. From the outside, it just looks like someone is willing to get sex anywhere and with anyone. But CHOOSING TO BE GAY? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that liking women is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances (sexual abuse, certain family situations, etc.), the natural choice would be to like women. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

So, to your argument, I simply ask, why - if it IS a choice - would someone choose to be gay?

I agree, not a choice. And trust me, I know.
It's very depressing most of the time, at least when it comes to guys.
It's really quite similiar to a MMORPG.
You can dump as much time into the relationship as you want, in the end, you have accomplished nothing. It doesn't matter.
He will dump you, and he will find another guy and they will fvck and they will break up and he will find another guy and so on.
It's not like a woman and a man, where they can stay married for life.
That really just pisses me off now that I think about it.
I hate men.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its not necessarily a defect or malformation, perhaps just a *difference*

a much smaller portion of people are left handed than right handed, but we dont outcast them or consider that a defect even though its not *normal*
That's where you're WRONG! Left-handers are FREAKS AND ABOMINATIONS!!! Who's with me?!

:p
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its not necessarily a defect or malformation, perhaps just a *difference*

a much smaller portion of people are left handed than right handed, but we dont outcast them or consider that a defect even though its not *normal*
That's where you're WRONG! Left-handers are FREAK AND ABOMINATIONS!!!

:p

I'd have to agree. Being lefthanded is a choice. God hates lefties!
 

Continuity28

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Continuity28
Through my experience, a person raised in a different household, and a different environment as a whole will probably act very differently. I don't think all of this is rock solid since birth. An only girl in a family of men won't be as girly, won't seem to think much different than a man on some things, because of her upbringing. Would this mean a persons experiences physically changes their brain, or does it mean the brain is physically no different, just behavior?


As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.
In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY??? I mean, if someone is bisexual, I can see where you would say that they "chose" that. From the outside, it just looks like someone is willing to get sex anywhere and with anyone. But CHOOSING TO BE GAY? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that liking women is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances (sexual abuse, certain family situations, etc.), the natural choice would be to like women. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

So, to your argument, I simply ask, why - if it IS a choice - would someone choose to be gay?

I don't think you read my post clearly. I said it was SUBconscious, meaning you don't know you are actually choosing it. I just see no medical proof that people can in fact be born that way, after millions of years of humans reproducing.

You're thinking I meant it was a conscious choice. Big difference.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Continuity28
I don't think you read my post clearly. I said it was SUBconscious, meaning you don't know you are actually choosing it. I just see no medical proof that people can in fact be born that way, after millions of years of humans reproducing.

You're thinking I meant it was a conscious choice. Big difference.

Read this book.
 

Continuity28

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Continuity28
I don't think you read my post clearly. I said it was SUBconscious, meaning you don't know you are actually choosing it. I just see no medical proof that people can in fact be born that way, after millions of years of humans reproducing.

You're thinking I meant it was a conscious choice. Big difference.

Read this book.

Which book? Do you have a link?
I think I missed it.
 

CKent

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Why the debate? Choice or not, people being gay/lesbian doesn't affect others adversely, thus it's their own business and no one else's.
 

Continuity28

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Originally posted by: RBachman
Why the debate? Choice or not, people being gay/lesbian doesn't affect others adversely, thus it's their own business and no one else's.

Uhhh... I'm not against gays. I'm just stating what I think on the issue, not debating really. If you say this book proves theres a physical reason, then I'll read it, but otherwise as far as I know they didn't find one yet.

In psychology in general, even, in the debate on nature vs. nurture, I'm usually leaning towards nurture. I'm not coming from a political angle.
 

skace

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
That's where you're WRONG! Left-handers are FREAKS AND ABOMINATIONS!!! Who's with me?!

:p

I agree! W-wait, I am left handed! Maybe I was abused when I was young :(
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: Ilmater
That's where you're WRONG! Left-handers are FREAKS AND ABOMINATIONS!!! Who's with me?!

:p

I agree! W-wait, I am left handed! Maybe I was abused when I was young :(

Actually I find it an interesting commentary on societal advancement that lefthandedness indeed used to be looked on as abnormal and wrong. It was assumed that these "wrong" people could be made right if caught early, and schoolchildren were made to write & throw with their right hand starting at an early age.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.
Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Anubis
women can multitask better then men???

thats the first ive ever heard that

If you've ever watched a soap opera, you'd know that each scene is all of 30 seconds long before switching to the next scene and they have a bajillion story lines going all at the same time. Women DO multitask better than men.
 
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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its not necessarily a defect or malformation, perhaps just a *difference*

a much smaller portion of people are left handed than right handed, but we dont outcast them or consider that a defect even though its not *normal*
That's where you're WRONG! Left-handers are FREAK AND ABOMINATIONS!!!

:p

I'd have to agree. Being lefthanded is a choice. God hates lefties!

well, in latin sinister means left-handed
 

redgtxdi

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What about the brain of a hermaphrodite??????

(That'll throw the whole thing for a loop!) ;)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.
Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.
Yeah they choose to follow their sexual predisposition instead of trying to force themselves to be Hetrosexuals.
 

HumblePie

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
Take the Brainsex test and see where you fit? http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

lol, I think like a girl



WTF? I took that test and came up genderless =/

EDIT: here's my breakdown.

Part 1:
Angles
Score 19 out of 20 correctly identifying angles.

Spotting the Difference
Score 50%. Found half of them

Part 2:
Hands
Left thumb on top so I'm right brain dominate.

Part 3:
Empathizing
Score: 18 out of 20.

Systemizing
Score: 20 out of 20.

Eyes
Score: 7 out of 10

Part 4:
Finger Ratio
Ratio of 1.

Part 5:
Faces
Prefer women with more masculine features (I just picked the faces with the bigger eyebrows I like chick with bice full eyebrows as I find they are more expresive over anyother facial feature).

Part 6:
3D shapes
Score: 12 out of 12

Words
25 words per word association

Ultimatum
I would deman $25... or exacty half, which is lower then anyone else.. hmmpf.



which makes me think like both men and women and I'm genderless in my thinking :)