Brain Sex

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Yeah they choose to follow their sexual predisposition instead of trying to force themselves to be Hetrosexuals.

One possible explanation out of many, yes.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Everyone's lifestyle is aby choice. Innateness is, well, inate.

You don't see heterosexuals CHOOSE to become gay. Homosexuals choose to live a gay lifestyle.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Continuity28

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Continuity28
I don't think you read my post clearly. I said it was SUBconscious, meaning you don't know you are actually choosing it. I just see no medical proof that people can in fact be born that way, after millions of years of humans reproducing.

You're thinking I meant it was a conscious choice. Big difference.

Read this book.

Which book? Do you have a link?
I think I missed it.

It was in the first bloody post in the thread, FFS.
Link

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Continuity28
Through my experience, a person raised in a different household, and a different environment as a whole will probably act very differently. I don't think all of this is rock solid since birth. An only girl in a family of men won't be as girly, won't seem to think much different than a man on some things, because of her upbringing. Would this mean a persons experiences physically changes their brain, or does it mean the brain is physically no different, just behavior?


As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY??? I mean, if someone is bisexual, I can see where you would say that they "chose" that. From the outside, it just looks like someone is willing to get sex anywhere and with anyone. But CHOOSING TO BE GAY? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that liking women is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances (sexual abuse, certain family situations, etc.), the natural choice would be to like women. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

So, to your argument, I simply ask, why - if it IS a choice - would someone choose to be gay?

the flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming something about the preference set of homosexual individuals. 'how could someone choose x?' is a question that basically imposes the 'normal' preference set on people who are outside of 'normal.' you could run through the same circumstance with other groups.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GOTH??? I mean, if someone likes to dress in black and listen to dark music on the weekends, I can see where you would say that they 'choose' that. From the outside, it just looks like someone likes the music. But CHOOSING TO BE GOTH? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that wearing colors other than black all the time is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances, the natural choice would be to wear jeans and a t-shirt. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE A COMPUTER NERD??? I mean, if someone is an engineer by profession, I can see where you would say that they 'choose' that. From the outside, it just looks like you want a steady job. But CHOOSING TO BE A COMPUTER NERD? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that going outside and playing sports, chasing tail, and not sitting in front of a computer monitor working on your flourescent light tan is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances, the natural choice would be to go outside. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norma and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

 

[CKent]

Scored right in the middle. I mighta been screwed on the angles though, because of the angle at which I veiw my screen. I have high spatial intelligence and got 12/12 on the 'rotate the shape' one.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Everyone's lifestyle is aby choice. Innateness is, well, inate.

You don't see heterosexuals CHOOSE to become gay. Homosexuals choose to live a gay lifestyle.

Oh, the origins of homosexuality have been proven? Link? Of course not. It hasn't been proven or disproven that it's a gene or a choice. Until then, I'm going to take my family's word at it that they've chosen to switch.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Continuity28
Through my experience, a person raised in a different household, and a different environment as a whole will probably act very differently. I don't think all of this is rock solid since birth. An only girl in a family of men won't be as girly, won't seem to think much different than a man on some things, because of her upbringing. Would this mean a persons experiences physically changes their brain, or does it mean the brain is physically no different, just behavior?


As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY??? I mean, if someone is bisexual, I can see where you would say that they "chose" that. From the outside, it just looks like someone is willing to get sex anywhere and with anyone. But CHOOSING TO BE GAY? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that liking women is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances (sexual abuse, certain family situations, etc.), the natural choice would be to like women. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

So, to your argument, I simply ask, why - if it IS a choice - would someone choose to be gay?

the flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming something about the preference set of homosexual individuals. 'how could someone choose x?' is a question that basically imposes the 'normal' preference set on people who are outside of 'normal.' you could run through the same circumstance with other groups.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GOTH??? I mean, if someone likes to dress in black and listen to dark music on the weekends, I can see where you would say that they 'choose' that. From the outside, it just looks like someone likes the music. But CHOOSING TO BE GOTH? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that wearing colors other than black all the time is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances, the natural choice would be to wear jeans and a t-shirt. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE A COMPUTER NERD??? I mean, if someone is an engineer by profession, I can see where you would say that they 'choose' that. From the outside, it just looks like you want a steady job. But CHOOSING TO BE A COMPUTER NERD? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that going outside and playing sports, chasing tail, and not sitting in front of a computer monitor working on your flourescent light tan is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances, the natural choice would be to go outside. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norma and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

1. Attention, or lack of.

2. Interest in computers.

Let's say you raise 100 kids, completely isolated from the world. All wearing identical white outfits. No computers, no black clothes. No make-up.
None of those kids are going to become computer nerds. None of them are going to become goth.
But I can promise you some of them are going to grow up to be homosexual.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Everyone's lifestyle is aby choice. Innateness is, well, inate.

You don't see heterosexuals CHOOSE to become gay. Homosexuals choose to live a gay lifestyle.

Homosexuals choose to have homosexual relations. This is true. But whether or not they have those relations, they are still attracted to the same sex.

 

[LookingGlass]

Sex on the brain anyone.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

1. Attention, or lack of.

2. Interest in computers.

Let's say you raise 100 kids, completely isolated from the world. All wearing identical white outfits. No computers, no black clothes. No make-up.
None of those kids are going to become computer nerds. None of them are going to become goth.
But I can promise you some of them are going to grow up to be homosexual.

ah, but some of them will become other than the 'norm'. that is the analogy. they're all becoming something that is not 'normal.' and of course it was more set up to show that people do make choices that are considered outside of the 'normal' preference set. ultimately, i'm not saying that homosexuality isn't a born trait, i'm merely attempting to show that saying 'how could someone choose to be homosexual' isn't a valid argument. wondering how someone could pick something outside of the 'normal' preference set is an attempt to force the 'normal' preference set onto people who have differently ordered preferences.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Okay. Choose to be gay. Choose to be attracted to men, and lust for them. Starting... now!
Or is it not that simple?

People like to treat this as a simple black and white issue, when it's not. Realistically, there's probably an element of both predisposition and "choice." I don't like the term "choice" because I don't know of anyone who just suddenly decided that they'd go from not having an interest in sex to deciding to just pick a gender to be attracted to, as though they were at a store shopping for something.

 

[MichaelD]

My brain: *thinking of sex with a woman*
My equipment: *Boing!*
My activity: Horizontal bop


See? Is that so difficult? I don't need a book to explain to me why pretty girls get me aroused. I also don't need to read a book trying to rationalize that gay men are really women with penises and therefore it's OK.

What crap.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Okay. Choose to be gay. Choose to be attracted to men, and lust for them. Starting... now!
Or is it not that simple?

People like to treat this as a simple black and white issue, when it's not. Realistically, there's probably an element of both predisposition and "choice." I don't like the term "choice" because I don't know of anyone who just suddenly decided that they'd go from not having an interest in sex to deciding to just pick a gender to be attracted to, as though they were at a store shopping for something.

i think you've hit the nail on the head with respect to the semantics issue. some people are using the word 'choice' in a far too narrow sense. they're using it like in the same way that i am instantaneously and consciously choosing to respond to this post. but if it is a choice it is most certainly a more long and drawn out, less conscious decision, like my choice to prefer simplicity and elegance of design for computer cases rather than big lights and case fans like i did several years ago. and sexuality would be an even slower, less malleable choice than that.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Continuity28
Through my experience, a person raised in a different household, and a different environment as a whole will probably act very differently. I don't think all of this is rock solid since birth. An only girl in a family of men won't be as girly, won't seem to think much different than a man on some things, because of her upbringing. Would this mean a persons experiences physically changes their brain, or does it mean the brain is physically no different, just behavior?


As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY??? I mean, if someone is bisexual, I can see where you would say that they "chose" that. From the outside, it just looks like someone is willing to get sex anywhere and with anyone. But CHOOSING TO BE GAY? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that liking women is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances (sexual abuse, certain family situations, etc.), the natural choice would be to like women. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

So, to your argument, I simply ask, why - if it IS a choice - would someone choose to be gay?

I'm with you on this one. I truly believe it is biological and not enviromental or just by choice. From everything I have read there is just too much scientific evidence of this. I think people should respect that and not be afraid of those who are gay. Just my .02

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Continuity28
Through my experience, a person raised in a different household, and a different environment as a whole will probably act very differently. I don't think all of this is rock solid since birth. An only girl in a family of men won't be as girly, won't seem to think much different than a man on some things, because of her upbringing. Would this mean a persons experiences physically changes their brain, or does it mean the brain is physically no different, just behavior?


As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY??? I mean, if someone is bisexual, I can see where you would say that they "chose" that. From the outside, it just looks like someone is willing to get sex anywhere and with anyone. But CHOOSING TO BE GAY? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that liking women is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances (sexual abuse, certain family situations, etc.), the natural choice would be to like women. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

So, to your argument, I simply ask, why - if it IS a choice - would someone choose to be gay?

I agree, not a choice. And trust me, I know.
It's very depressing most of the time, at least when it comes to guys.
It's really quite similiar to a MMORPG.
You can dump as much time into the relationship as you want, in the end, you have accomplished nothing. It doesn't matter.
He will dump you, and he will find another guy and they will fvck and they will break up and he will find another guy and so on.
It's not like a woman and a man, where they can stay married for life.
That really just pisses me off now that I think about it.
I hate men.

I truly do empathize with you and understand more than you know.

Hugs and kisses from Valkyrie baby.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Continuity28

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Continuity28
I don't think you read my post clearly. I said it was SUBconscious, meaning you don't know you are actually choosing it. I just see no medical proof that people can in fact be born that way, after millions of years of humans reproducing.

You're thinking I meant it was a conscious choice. Big difference.

Read this book.

Which book? Do you have a link?
I think I missed it.

The link to this book is at the very begining of this thread baby.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Ilmater
That's where you're WRONG! Left-handers are FREAKS AND ABOMINATIONS!!! Who's with me?!

I agree! W-wait, I am left handed! Maybe I was abused when I was young

Your an idiot! GRIN

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Baby, I'm guessing thats because they tell you what you want to hear.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
Take the Brainsex test and see where you fit? http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

lol, I think like a girl

WTF? I took that test and came up genderless =/

EDIT: here's my breakdown.

Part 1:
Angles
Score 19 out of 20 correctly identifying angles.

Spotting the Difference
Score 50%. Found half of them

Part 2:
Hands
Left thumb on top so I'm right brain dominate.

Part 3:
Empathizing
Score: 18 out of 20.

Systemizing
Score: 20 out of 20.

Eyes
Score: 7 out of 10

Part 4:
Finger Ratio
Ratio of 1.

Part 5:
Faces
Prefer women with more masculine features (I just picked the faces with the bigger eyebrows I like chick with bice full eyebrows as I find they are more expresive over anyother facial feature).

Part 6:
3D shapes
Score: 12 out of 12

Words
25 words per word association

Ultimatum
I would deman $25... or exacty half, which is lower then anyone else.. hmmpf.



which makes me think like both men and women and I'm genderless in my thinking

No that just means you have the best of both worlds! GRIN

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
What about the brain of a hermaphrodite??????

(That'll throw the whole thing for a loop!)

Being a Hermaphrodite is sorta a whole topic in itself. Check this site out on the subject

http://obgyn.healthcentersonline.com/ge...%3F&OVKEY=hermaphrodite&OVMTC=standard

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Everyone's lifestyle is aby choice. Innateness is, well, inate.

You don't see heterosexuals CHOOSE to become gay. Homosexuals choose to live a gay lifestyle.

Heterosexuals don't choose to be heterosexuals they are born that way.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Sorry, but I'm just now catching up on all these posts. I had to work yesterday and then came home and crashed. So thats why I have all these replies.

Hugs,
Val

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
Take the Brainsex test and see where you fit? http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

The first test was supposed to test spatial ability, and I KNOW I rank high in this, but I only got 10 of 20 (men averaged 15). On the other hand, on the "3D Shapes" task (which also measures spatial ability), I got 12 of 12 right.

On the "eyes" test in Part 3, I got a 7 out of 10, which this thing suggests means I have a more female brain. However, the average score for men AND women was 6.6, so I'd say I'm exatly average.

In the "faces" test, I was mostly just trying to find differences between the faces. I stared at a few for awhile trying to figure out if one was different than the other AT ALL.

Finally - and I really love this one - the "Words" task says I'm probably "more of the strong, silent type." PFFFTT HAHHAHHAHHAAH! Not exaclty. I was a debater on college, I love public speaking, and I'm clearly the most out-spoken person I know. They told me to think of things that were associated with the word "grey." WTF?! I came up with 4, and those were hard enough. Possibly I'm just not in the right frame of mind. I also only came up with 5 words that meant "happy."

Overall, I was 25 in the male category, and I think that's a bit low, but what do I know?! It was fun!

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
the flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming something about the preference set of homosexual individuals. 'how could someone choose x?' is a question that basically imposes the 'normal' preference set on people who are outside of 'normal.' you could run through the same circumstance with other groups.

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE GOTH??? I mean, if someone likes to dress in black and listen to dark music on the weekends, I can see where you would say that they 'choose' that. From the outside, it just looks like someone likes the music. But CHOOSING TO BE GOTH? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that wearing colors other than black all the time is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances, the natural choice would be to wear jeans and a t-shirt. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norm and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

In my mind, it's really simple: WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE A COMPUTER NERD??? I mean, if someone is an engineer by profession, I can see where you would say that they 'choose' that. From the outside, it just looks like you want a steady job. But CHOOSING TO BE A COMPUTER NERD? Are you insane? First off, EVERYONE tells you that going outside and playing sports, chasing tail, and not sitting in front of a computer monitor working on your flourescent light tan is normal, so outside of extenuating circumstances, the natural choice would be to go outside. Secondly, you KNOW that you're out of the norma and that people will ridicule you. Why would you choose that?

First off, you're comparing apples to oranges here. Nobody makes legislation against people just because they're goth, and nobody's killed anyone else just because they're goth.

As far as a set of preferences goes, you have to understand how much hardship being gay causes. While I understand that some people like it when they get a rise out of other people (see Manson, Marilyn), but the fear of death by those who hate gays, disownment by parents and friends, and NUMEROUS issues with work and social life outweigh that FOR MOST PEOPLE! There are too many gay people to say that they're all just trying to get attention or get a rise out of people.

Also, I want to agree with what nakedfrog said. Attraction to another sex just CANNOT, in my opinion, be a choice. For instance, if I'm in a business meeting with a woman that's showing too much cleavage, I want to look, but I have to make myself look only at her eyes. I don't have to stop myself from looking at a guy's crotch. When any decently attractive woman walks by me, I at least glance that way to check her out, but I don't give men a second thought. It would be utterly impossible to change that.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Continuity28
As for something else mentioned in this thread, I don't think one is normally if ever really born gay or straight. I think it's all environmental and decided subconsciously by the individual. Remember: It's subconscious and based on many facotrs, which means you don't KNOW if you decided or not.

Are you some sort of retarded politically correct apologist or do you really think that people one day just decide that innies are sexier than outies?

I have two homosexual family members (one of each sex) that will tell you that their lifestyle is by choice.

Prove them wrong.

Baby, I'm guessing thats because they tell you what you want to hear.

That's the stupidest thing said in this thread. If that's what I want to hear, why would I want homosexuality to be a choice?

The only thing I "want to hear" is undeniable medical proof either way -regardless of the outcome. Not some brain scan that says some gay dude has a predisposition to matching clothes and decor.