Brack Obama's private prayer published

[ProfJohn]

Eskimo, what Bush said is a very standard idea of faith.

From my second post "We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him"

How often do you hear religious people talk about how their faith has inspired them? I bet I could pull up dozens of quotes from politicians talking about how faith will get them through.

Also, why must you defend everything about Obama and cast doubt on everything about Bush? Why not take it at face value?

Obama is asking for the lord to get him through via his faith.
Bush is saying that the lord will get him through via his faith.
The only difference is the context.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Eskimo, what Bush said is a very standard idea of faith.

From my second post "We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him"

How often do you hear religious people talk about how their faith has inspired them? I bet I could pull up dozens of quotes from politicians talking about how faith will get them through.

Also, why must you defend everything about Obama and cast doubt on everything about Bush? Why not take it at face value?

Obama is asking for the lord to get him through via his faith.
Bush is saying that the lord will get him through via his faith.
The only difference is the context.

Except that you're ignoring the fact that Bush was referring to invading and occupying countries... which was my entire point to begin with.

If you read my posts you would easily see that I don't defend everything about Obama. People on here just seem to be very uncomfortable when someone actually likes a candidate. Like we're all supposed to act like teenagers who are too cool for school, and pretend that we're only voting for someone grudgingly, and only because the RON PAUL REVOLUTION isn't happening this year.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
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A few hours later came a statement from Sha'ath: "It was really a figure of speech. We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him ... rather than a metaphysical whisper in his ear."

End of story, thank you for playing.

? I fail to see how that changes anything. I didn't think that Bush actually saw a sky beardo descending upon a cloud, just that he felt a religious calling to do what he did. The report has two separate people ascribing similar views to Bush that are in no way out of character for him. That seems credible to me.

In addition if you read that guardian article you would see that the BBC 'shied away' from the story more due to internal politics then doubts as to its veracity.

As for you trotting out the 'people only post negative things about Bush because they hate him' deal... meh. That's a tired old dodge.

Let me get this straight, the BBC quotes a third party (which they weren't there to hear) to quote the president and therefore it's factual statement by the president(which again they can't confirm, totally). What's more, the other people there heard a different translation. Maybe those internal politics were someone screaming at the author for printing something unconfirmed and easily proven so. Yet somehow in your universe Fox News isn't a reliable news source.

Granted, I would trust an MSNBC story over a National Enquirer story.

Edit: Obama's prayer should have stayed there and not been published. Doesn't matter that it was written by Axelrod or not.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Let me get this straight, the BBC quotes a third party (which they weren't there to hear) to quote the president and therefore it's factual statement by the president(which again they can't confirm, totally). What's more, the other people there heard a different translation. Maybe those internal politics were someone screaming at the author for printing something unconfirmed and easily proven so. Yet somehow in your universe Fox News isn't a reliable news source.

Granted, I would trust an MSNBC story over a National Enquirer story.

Edit: Obama's prayer should have stayed there and not been published. Doesn't matter that it was written by Axelrod or not.

No. It's a generalized statement about Bush's attitude that correlates well to other statements he's made and the general idea was later bolstered by a similar account from a third party. This tends to be a more credible thing then something the Enquirer publishes. I would think that is obvious.

And yes, I'm saying Fox News isn't a credible news source. Anyone who goes to that channel or that website for anything but entertainment is doing themselves a grave disservice.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Let me get this straight, the BBC quotes a third party (which they weren't there to hear) to quote the president and therefore it's factual statement by the president(which again they can't confirm, totally). What's more, the other people there heard a different translation. Maybe those internal politics were someone screaming at the author for printing something unconfirmed and easily proven so. Yet somehow in your universe Fox News isn't a reliable news source.

Granted, I would trust an MSNBC story over a National Enquirer story.

Edit: Obama's prayer should have stayed there and not been published. Doesn't matter that it was written by Axelrod or not.

No. It's a generalized statement about Bush's attitude that correlates well to other statements he's made and the general idea was later bolstered by a similar account from a third party. This tends to be a more credible thing then something the Enquirer publishes. I would think that is obvious.

And yes, I'm saying Fox News isn't a credible news source. Anyone who goes to that channel or that website for anything but entertainment is doing themselves a grave disservice.

Um okay... its still is not a true statement. And more importantly, it should not have been relayed as verbatim as something he says or feels. Mainly because it's false, but more importantly it was then retracted by the source. GWB may feel that he needs something bigger than himself which Obama does also. I'm not a fan of it, but it's not like he has a red phone the bearded one, as you mentioned.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
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A few hours later came a statement from Sha'ath: "It was really a figure of speech. We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him ... rather than a metaphysical whisper in his ear."

End of story, thank you for playing.

? I fail to see how that changes anything. I didn't think that Bush actually saw a sky beardo descending upon a cloud, just that he felt a religious calling to do what he did. The report has two separate people ascribing similar views to Bush that are in no way out of character for him. That seems credible to me.

In addition if you read that guardian article you would see that the BBC 'shied away' from the story more due to internal politics then doubts as to its veracity.

As for you trotting out the 'people only post negative things about Bush because they hate him' deal... meh. That's a tired old dodge.

Let me get this straight, the BBC quotes a third party (which they weren't there to hear) to quote the president and therefore it's factual statement by the president(which again they can't confirm, totally). What's more, the other people there heard a different translation. Maybe those internal politics were someone screaming at the author for printing something unconfirmed and easily proven so. Yet somehow in your universe Fox News isn't a reliable news source.

Granted, I would trust an MSNBC story over a National Enquirer story.

Edit: Obama's prayer should have stayed there and not been published. Doesn't matter that it was written by Axelrod or not.

I remember when someone asked him if he sought his father's advice regarding invading Iraq, Bush said he speaks to a higher father.

 

[TechAZ]

CNN/TIME thought it was so distasteful they quoted excerpts and summarized his prayer.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
CNN/TIME thought it was so distasteful they quoted excerpts and summarized his prayer.

Where did you get the opinion that TIME/CNN thought it was distasteful?

 

[Hecubus2000]

This entire thing sounds staged. The people running his campaign are not exactly dummies, they are counting on the voters for that one. Just another tool in the bag o tricks.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I don't really want someone who is going to lead my country being "an instrument" of anyone's will or that he wants to be said instrument.

Then I guess you don't believe in democracy.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
This entire thing sounds staged. The people running his campaign are not exactly dummies, they are counting on the voters for that one. Just another tool in the bag o tricks.

But the people that don't believe that this is staged are.......dummies like Moonbeam.

 

[OrByte]

he isn't even president yet and already there are conspiracy theories

😛

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: OrByte
he isn't even president yet and already there are conspiracy theories

😛

It's hilarious.

This is the 'OMG controversial' prayer in its entirety BTW:
"Lord ? Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will."

Teh blaspheme! It's as original as the Lord's Prayer 😛

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: OrByte
he isn't even president yet

now that's blasphemy 😉

 

[Viper GTS]

As lame as it is that they read/published it, you'd have to be a fool to think the thought hadn't crossed his mind. If I were in his position I would assume that everything I ever wrote or said had potential to end up in a newspaper. I'd probably even be worried about thoughts.

Great political move IMO, one that NOBODY is going to take issue with (for fear of looking like a douche).

Viper GTS

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Oh noes, someone revealed his private letter to the invisible man in the sky :rolleyes;

Don't be absurd. God isn't an invisible man in the sky.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: OrByte
he isn't even president yet and already there are conspiracy theories

😛

Obama is a mirror in which we can see the filth that is ourselves or the hope that is our dreams.

It is like the story of the Sufi on the side of the road. As the king approached in his chariot the front guard kicked at him and threatened him with spears. That is why, said the Sufi. Then the honor guard road by threatening him with curses. That is why said the Sufi. When the king road by he saluted him. That is why said the Sufi. That is why what said another watching all this? That is why each is what he is said the wise one.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Obama is a mirror in which we can see the filth that is ourselves or the hope that is our dreams.

Obama is a Marxist/Alinsky hack from Chicago whose kids said he's "stinky" in the mornings. He's not a mirror or a Donnie Darko character. Too much weed.

 

[OCGuy]

Its funny that Obama isnt as Liberal as the lefties would like to portray...asking a pretend man in the sky to be his "instrument"...thats fundie talk right there.


The more you look at it, the more they are all the same.

 

[Drift3r]

I don't doubt it was taken and leaked on purpose. Seeing as it was grabbed by a overly religious zealot who probably thinks that god is on his side and so whatever he does is okay i can see how it happened. Of course I also don't think Obama or his staff would be stupid enough to write anything childish, absurd or plain crazy on a note that would be placed on a very public wall where anyone could walk by and steal it and use it against him. Hell I don't even think John McCain would be that stupid either. The only person who should be ashamed should be the zealot who thought it was okay to intrude on Obama's privacy.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Obama is a mirror in which we can see the filth that is ourselves or the hope that is our dreams.

Obama is a Marxist/Alinsky hack from Chicago whose kids said he's "stinky" in the mornings. He's not a mirror or a Donnie Darko character. Too much weed.

:disgust:

Yeah whatever get back on your meds.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Eskimo, what Bush said is a very standard idea of faith.

From my second post "We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him"

How often do you hear religious people talk about how their faith has inspired them? I bet I could pull up dozens of quotes from politicians talking about how faith will get them through.

Also, why must you defend everything about Obama and cast doubt on everything about Bush? Why not take it at face value?

Obama is asking for the lord to get him through via his faith.
Bush is saying that the lord will get him through via his faith.
The only difference is the context.

The difference is people have died due to Bushes alleged faith.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
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A few hours later came a statement from Sha'ath: "It was really a figure of speech. We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him ... rather than a metaphysical whisper in his ear."

End of story, thank you for playing.

? I fail to see how that changes anything. I didn't think that Bush actually saw a sky beardo descending upon a cloud, just that he felt a religious calling to do what he did. The report has two separate people ascribing similar views to Bush that are in no way out of character for him. That seems credible to me.

In addition if you read that guardian article you would see that the BBC 'shied away' from the story more due to internal politics then doubts as to its veracity.

As for you trotting out the 'people only post negative things about Bush because they hate him' deal... meh. That's a tired old dodge.

Let me get this straight, the BBC quotes a third party (which they weren't there to hear) to quote the president and therefore it's factual statement by the president(which again they can't confirm, totally). What's more, the other people there heard a different translation. Maybe those internal politics were someone screaming at the author for printing something unconfirmed and easily proven so. Yet somehow in your universe Fox News isn't a reliable news source.

Granted, I would trust an MSNBC story over a National Enquirer story.

Edit: Obama's prayer should have stayed there and not been published. Doesn't matter that it was written by Axelrod or not.

I remember when someone asked him if he sought his father's advice regarding invading Iraq, Bush said he speaks to a higher father.

Yes, I believe that is something that we call "praying", you may have heard of it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Dari

I remember when someone asked him if he sought his father's advice regarding invading Iraq, Bush said he speaks to a higher father.

Yes, I believe that is something that we call "praying", you may have heard of it.

Obviously we as a country would have been better off if he had asked for advice from a real entity, his father instead of some mythical bullshit

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Dari

I remember when someone asked him if he sought his father's advice regarding invading Iraq, Bush said he speaks to a higher father.

Yes, I believe that is something that we call "praying", you may have heard of it.

Obviously we as a country would have been better off if he had asked for advice from a real entity, his father instead of some mythical bullshit

Funny you mention that, Bush jr. had the best foreign policy advisor that any President could ask for too bad he didn't listen to him, his first clue should have been his father despising Rumsfeld.

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June 8, 2006 | Former President George H.W. Bush waged a secret campaign over several months early this year to remove Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. The elder Bush went so far as to recruit Rumsfeld's potential replacement, personally asking a retired four-star general if he would accept the position, a reliable source close to the general told me. But the former president's effort failed, apparently rebuffed by the current president. When seven retired generals who had been commanders in Iraq demanded Rumsfeld's resignation in April, the younger Bush leapt to his defense. "I'm the decider and I decide what's best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain," he said. His endorsement of Rumsfeld was a rebuke not only to the generals but also to his father.

The elder Bush's intervention was an extraordinary attempt to rescue simultaneously his son, the family legacy and the country. The current president had previously rejected entreaties from party establishment figures to revamp his administration with new appointments. There was no one left to approach him except his father. This effort to pluck George W. from his troubles is the latest episode in a recurrent drama -- from the drunken young man challenging his father to go "mano a mano," to the father pulling strings to get the son into the Texas Air National Guard and helping salvage his finances from George W.'s mismanagement of Harken Energy. For the father, parental responsibility never ends. But for the son, rebellion continues. When journalist Bob Woodward asked George W. Bush if he had consulted his father before invading Iraq, he replied, "He is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength. There is a higher father that I appeal to."