BP ordered to stop using toxic dispersant in Gulf oil clean-up

JSt0rm

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Those Assholes used a chemical banned by Britain for a decade to the tune of 655,000 gallons :eek:

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com...2010/05/bp-ordered-to-stop-using-corexit.html



The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency informed BP officials late Wednesday that the company has 24 hours to choose a less toxic form of chemical dispersants to break up its oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, Juliet Eilperin of The Washington Post reported today.

"According to government sources familiar with the decision, [BP] must apply the new form of dispersants within 72 hours of submitting the list of alternatives," Eilperin writes.

"The move is significant, because it suggests federal officials are now concerned that the unprecedented use of chemical dispersants could pose a significant threat to the Gulf of Mexico's marine life. BP has been using two forms of dispersants, Corexit 9500A and Corexit 9527A, and so far has applied 600,000 gallons on the surface and 55,000 underwater," Eilperin added.

Congressman Edward J. Markey, Democrat-Massachusetts, commended the EPA for ordering BP to use less toxic dispersant chemicals in the company's cleanup efforts in the Gulf.

"EPA's announcement comes just three days after Representative Markey sent a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson that raised questions about the potential toxicity of the trademarked formulation, called Corexit, that BP had selected for use, and whether the chemical could be contributing to new reports of large undersea 'plumes' of oil suspended thousands of feet below the water's surface," Markey said in a news statement.

"I commend the Obama administration for acting swiftly to address my concerns that the dispersant BP chose to use is more toxic than other available formulations," said Markey, who chairs the Energy and Environment Subcommittee in the Energy and Commerce Committee. "The effect of long-term use of dispersants on the marine ecosystem has not been extensively studied, and we need to act with the utmost of caution."

Markey's May 17, 2010 letter, which can be found here, noted that some formulations of Corexit, the substances being used in the Gulf of Mexico, were banned in Britain more than a decade ago due to their tested harmful effects to sea life.

The letter also asks about the effects of water temperature and pressure on the chemicals, as they are currently and for the first time being used at 5,000 feet where the temperature is near freezing and the pressure of the water is extremely high. Markey also asked EPA whether these chemicals could accumulate in marine life over time, and what human health impacts could result from eating Gulf seafood.

National Geographic Explorer-in-Residence Sylvia Earle testified to the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives yesterday about the potential danger of using Corexit. (Sylvia Earle to U.S. Congress: Cheap oil is costing the Earth)

Not only is the flow of millions of gallons of oil an issue in the Gulf, Earle told the Committee, but also the thousands of gallons of toxic dispersants that make the ocean look a little better on the surface--where most people are--but make circumstances a lot worse under the surface, where most of the life in the ocean actually is.

"The instructions for humans using Corexit, the dispersant approved by the EPA to make the ocean look better warn that it is an eye and skin irritant, is harmful by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed, and may cause injury to red blood cells, kidney or the liver. People are warned not to take Corexit internally, but the fish, turtles, copepods and jellies have no choice. They are awash in a lethal brew of oil and butoxyethanol."

Earle called for a halt on the subsurface use of dispersants, while limiting surface use to strategic sites where other methods cannot safeguard critically important coastal habitats.

Posted by David Braun
 

dahunan

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Like anyone gives a damn... the politicians have politicized our brains and hearts

USA is a fucking disgrace... we can bomb the fuck out of other nations but can't fix a leaking oil well that has the potential to cause many years of ecological destruction

our "THIRD WORLD" neighbors required dirty filthy corporations like BP to have double safety mechanisms.. but the beacon of light and all that is right USA.. didn't give a fuck..

the WHOLE OF EARTH .. every humanoid that could have helped.. should have helped immediately when that thing started leaking like that..

this is the only planet we have.. mother fucking shut down wall street and every thing else until that damn thing is fixed

and .. throw the bodies of the BP employees who skipped safety checks into the well to help stop the flow

This looks delicious huh
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/44000/44006/gulf_tmo_2010137_lrg.jpg
 

Patranus

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So because it is banned in England it is bad?

Free speech and guns are banned there, are those bad also?
 

dpearson

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If I recall correctly, the EPA approved the use of those chemicals in the first place. Why are they changing their minds now?
 

Lanyap

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Yeah, those assholes got approval from the Coast Guard and EPA to use those chemicals and they are on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule.

Statement on Dispersant Use in BP Oil Spill
When this crisis occurred, Coast Guard and EPA granted BP authorization to use an approved dispersant on oil present on the surface of the water in an effort mitigate the impact of the spill. This authorization included specific conditions to ensure the protection of the environment and the health of residents in affected areas. At this time, BP is authorized to continue use of this dispersant on the surface of the water. To ensure nearby residents are informed and protected, the EPA is constantly monitoring air quality in the Gulf area through air monitoring air craft, and fixed and mobile air stations. The air monitoring data is posted as it becomes available on www.epa.gov/bpspill.

The EPA and the U.S. Coast Guard have authorized BP to use dispersants underwater, at the source of the Deepwater Horizon leak. Preliminary testing results indicate that subsurface use of the dispersant is effective at reducing the amount of oil from reaching the surface – and can do so with the use of less dispersant than is needed when the oil does reach the surface. While BP pursues the use of subsurface dispersants, the federal government will require regular analysis of its effectiveness and impact on the environment, water and air quality, and human health through a rigorous monitoring program. Below is EPA's directive to BP, including the monitoring plan the company must adhere to in order to ensure the protection of the environment and public health. We reserve the right to discontinue the use of this dispersant method if any negative impacts on the environment outweigh the benefits.

http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/dispersants.html#dispersant

http://www.epa.gov/emergencies/content/ncp/product_schedule.htm
 

Patranus

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The funny thing is that the Obama administration gave them a pass before the accident and not they are trying to act all tough.

I wonder when Obama is going to take heat for this from the lMSM considering he could have stopped the leak day 1 Soviet Union style.
 

JSt0rm

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also from your link

"While the dispersant BP has been using is on the agency’s approved list, BP is using this dispersant in unprecedented volumes and, last week, began using it underwater at the source of the leak – a procedure that has never been tried before. Because of its use in unprecedented volumes and because much is unknown about the underwater use of dispersants, EPA wants to ensure BP is using the least toxic product authorized for use. We reserve the right to discontinue the use of this dispersant method if any negative impacts on the environment outweigh the benefits."

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...0897f55bc6d9a3ba852577290067f67f!OpenDocument
 

JSt0rm

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The funny thing is that the Obama administration gave them a pass before the accident and not they are trying to act all tough.

I wonder when Obama is going to take heat for this from the lMSM considering he could have stopped the leak day 1 Soviet Union style.

what I like about you is you know you are a hack.
 

Patranus

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what I like about you is you know you are a hack.

Question: Could Obama have used a proven method to stop the lead day 1?

(Yes)

Question: Is Obama being treated differently by the LMSM compared to previous presidents?

(Yes)

Question: Is this disaster worse than Katrina?

(Yes)

Please elaborate on your problems with my comments.
 

Pulsar

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I'm outraged by this outrageous outrage. How dare they use an approved US chemical in the US! How dare they use unprecedented amounts on an unprecedentedly-sized-oil spill. How dare they attempt to use it at depth to try and help the situation there too. Utterly Outrageous!
 

Lanyap

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also from your link

"While the dispersant BP has been using is on the agency’s approved list, BP is using this dispersant in unprecedented volumes and, last week, began using it underwater at the source of the leak – a procedure that has never been tried before. Because of its use in unprecedented volumes and because much is unknown about the underwater use of dispersants, EPA wants to ensure BP is using the least toxic product authorized for use. We reserve the right to discontinue the use of this dispersant method if any negative impacts on the environment outweigh the benefits."

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...0897f55bc6d9a3ba852577290067f67f!OpenDocument


This concern came up after the original approval. Look, I'm glad Markey brought the issue up and the EPA has become more involved and made changes. You're still blaming BP even though they followed the guidelines and got approval originally. The EPA should have been more diligent and now they are using BP as the scapegoat.
 

JSt0rm

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Question: Could Obama have used a proven method to stop the lead day 1?

(Yes)

Question: Is Obama being treated differently by the LMSM compared to previous presidents?

(Yes)

Question: Is this disaster worse than Katrina?

(Yes)

Please elaborate on your problems with my comments.

Are you saying that on day 1 of any problem we should nuke it from orbit?

You are a neocon for sure :) also you don't have proof that nuking the site is the best option even today after weeks.

Oh so you are butt hurt over bush's katrina and want this to be obama's fuck up huh? ok it is. Now what?
 

JSt0rm

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You're still blaming BP even though they followed the guidelines and got approval originally.

They probably wrote the guidelines themselves. but regardless yes I do blame them. The ceo needs his balls chopped off on national television.
 

CycloWizard

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I actually did something crazy - I looked up the MSDS for one of the dispersants! This stuff isn't actually all that dangerous if you drink it straight (at least not compared to crude oil), let alone when it's diluted to infinitesimal concentration after dumping in the ocean. Any environmental engineer will tell you that the solution to pollution is dilution, which is exactly what this stuff is designed to do. The compounds in crude oil are much more hazardous than the dispersant, so the dispersant breaks the surface tension of the oil so that it will be dispersed and effectively diluted. Earle (the "explorer-in-residence" quoted in the article) is an idiot who obviously doesn't understand environmental health and safety at all, yet is the "expert" that congress called on to tell them what they want to hear. The Gulf holds about 6.43 * 10^17 (643 quadrillion) gallons which are rapidly replenished due to the strong currents, which means using a dispersant to dilute the oil is absolutely better for the environment than not using one at all.

I'm not arguing that this is the dispersant they should be using, but the arguments made to immediately halt the use of this one are flimsy at best. If you think the dispersant MSDS makes it sound really terrible, look up the MSDS for an everyday chemical and you'll see it has many of the same things listed (I have given 70% ethanol at the bottom as an example for those not familiar with MSDS information).

Dispersant MSDS:
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf

Crude oil MSDS:
http://www.elpaso.com/msds/A0017-Crude Oil.pdf

Ethanol (for comparison)
http://www.nafaa.org/ethanol.pdf
 

JSt0rm

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I actually did something crazy - I looked up the MSDS for one of the dispersants! This stuff isn't actually all that dangerous...

hold up. Have you told the epa about your findings? I'm sure they would love to know that "cyclowizard" on the anandtech forums looked at 3 THREE pdf files and knows what to do. :eek:

Your amazing cyclowizard! Next do world hunger!
 

woodie1

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hold up. Have you told the epa about your findings? I'm sure they would love to know that "cyclowizard" on the anandtech forums looked at 3 THREE pdf files and knows what to do. :eek:

Your amazing cyclowizard! Next do world hunger!

Don't let any facts get in your way.
 

Sclamoz

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Don't let any facts get in your way.

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Here's some facts for you, Corexit is both one of the most toxic dispersants and at the same time one of the least effective.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/05/20/congress-gets-results-on-corexit/
 
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