Boycott CNN, Bigoted CNN panel on Atheist.

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: kranky
Didn't you see that your last thread got nuked this morning? Take the hint.

If we say bad thing on atheist, will you boycott AT? If not, what will it take?

My thread was nuked for no reason. I just posted a study from Baylor and asked people to comment on the findings. You on the other hand have done nothing but troll my threads. Way to many trolls on AT.

At least your coming to terms with yourself. Now get a new job...

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Tuktuk

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Tuktuk
That is what a debate looks like when you put three people who don't know what they're talking about together. The black guy is the only somewhat reasonable one.

Agreed, they could have atleast had 1 atheist on the panel.

Because, as we've all experienced from your posts....all atheiests are rational and articulate. :roll:

That isn't the point. The two women kept repeating how they want freedom to pray in school and how the atheists should shut up. They never address the atheist's argument that they want freedom to not pray in school, which isn't given when you leave your impressionable child in an atmosphere that compels them to pray or use the words "under God." I'm not advocating either position, just exposing the fallacy in their argument.

They also tell atheists to shut up even though, as the black guy said, they have a right to express their opinions. Those opinions were brought to the Supreme Court, who agreed with them. So if they should take issue with anything it is the interpretation of the law by the Supreme Court, not the fact that the issue was brought to them to begin with.

I don't really care about the CNN horsesh!t...I just want DVK916 to shut up and go away.

Then stop reading my threads. You are nothing but a troll now. Shut the hell up, and GTFO of my thread. This was a serious discussion until your crap came along.

Serious discussion? DVK, I don't think you've ever had a discussion without calling someone a dumbass or bash Christians...Yeah, you're REAL serious...

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Rage187
the majority of the US is Christian, WTF are you talking about?

The religious makeup of a population is irrelevent. Calling it a 'christian nation' implies correlation between the government structure itself and religion, something complete opposite to the founding of this nation. Furthermore it is a phrase of discrimination, labelling non-christians as equivalent to non-americans. It is bigoted, ignorant, and hateful.

Are you DVK's alter-ego that can actually write in english or are you his lover?

Neither. I'm a soon-to-be history teacher who is offended by the religious assault upon my nation.

I had a professor like you last semester. "Religious assault" my ass. Give me (and america) a break. Everyone is intolerant of everyone. I'm a Christian and I see that.

Listen, Christians jump all over atheist and make stupid, illogical arguments because 99.9% of the time, they're fundys. Atheist call Christians stupid and weak. Get over it. I could care less that your an atheist. Good for you. But there's no need to categorize an entire religion based on a screwed CNN News discussion. Honestly. ATOT has gone down the tube because of stupid kids who need to go to school instead of posting and actually think before they do.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: KarmaPolice

Originally posted by: Crono
Atheists are persecuted far less than Christians are. The worst things that can happen to an atheist in a Christian environment (which is rare) is feeling a little uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable when being among atheists or other people who are comfortable with their sins and don't believe in God, but you won't see me complaining. There is freedom to practice any religion in this country, so long as that religion does not break any laws of the government. I think separation of church and state (which isn't a law, contrary to popular belief) is fine, but the truth is that a lot of our laws are ultimately based on commandments/principles in the bible. You may not agree with that, but at least show some respect for that fact.

Even if Christians were 90% of the population (and in reality, I think less than 10% are actual Christians, and the rest are nominal) you would not see persecution of atheists. God never says in the Bible to "smite those who do not believe", but rather to show the love, forgiveness, righteousness and compassion that Christ showed, even to towards those who "spitefully use" us and "persecute" us. If, however, the country was 90% atheist, I think that there would be persecution of Christians who truly follow Christ. Already there is an increasing attitude of hate and resentment of Christians in this nation, mostly whenever we Christians speak up against what we believe is wrong. You only need to look at countries where Christians were a small minority in a nation that encouraged atheism to see how Christians have been killed because they stood up in the name of Christ. To this day there are thousands of Christians being killed a year, mostly by people of other religions, but also by atheists. It doesn't take long for resentment to turn into full blown hate and persecution.

There are (perhaps a small number, but a few nonetheless) people even on AT that think that the United States would be better off without Christians, and, were it possible to get away with it, would like to see us Christians all dead. Those who actually preach "tolerance" (which is actually a codeword for "I want to do whatever I want to do, whether it's right or not") don't want to tolerate Christians because they think we are intolerant. And that is true, to an extent: Christians shouldn't tolerate sin. There isn't freedom in sin, like people seem to think; sin actually enslaves and undermines the security and stability of the entire nation. Laws aren't there to control people, but to provide safety and freedom within the law. Christians should hate sin, but show love towards those who commit sin. Hate sin, not the sinner. Hate crime, and justly punish crime according the the laws that are in place, but do not hate the criminal.

whoa now I believe in god but dont really fit into christianity per say....but saying a lot of people would like to see all christains dead is a bit of a stretch. The problem is that a lot of christians try to force their beliefs on other people. For instance the gay thing. A gay guy making out with another gay guy in their own home, or on a bench in the park is doing no harm to you. Great you dont like men on men action, and you wouldnt do it but what gives you the right to try and stop them from doing it?

Yes many of the laws of this country are based on the commandments...but so are many other countries..why? because they are basic moral values. I dont get into arguements much about religion but for instance if I was christian and everyday at school i was told to have muslim prayer I would feel very uncomfortable and would not want to participate. As a public school they are not suppose to force religous beliefs onto other people and the best way to do this is to have no religion in the schools at all and let the family take care of their own children.

But no one is forcing prayer upon people in this country. In fact, from the Christian and biblical perspective, forced prayer would just be meaningless to those who are forced to do it. You can't force someone to worship God; it has to be willing. That's why atheists really don't have to fear Christians forcing them to "convert or die". The most you will get is Christians preaching and teaching the gospel, just like it has been done in this country for hundreds of years.

I agree that religion should not be taught in public schools, but I don't think that immorality should be. The problem is that the current culture of the United States promotes sex outside of marriage, callousness towards life, and other things that are wrong. And that is starting to show up in the curriculum of schools, and not just after school. Kids today are getting the wrong message today from magazines, television, and the internet, and don't seem to care about morality, period. There's a general attitude of "do whatever you want, so long as it doesn't affect me". But the end result of personal immorality is that, little by little, family by family, it starts to show up in the nation as a whole, and it starts to show up even more so in the culture; it's a vicious cycle. Sin in this country, and tolerance of sin, is a slow poison that has been fed to this country for decades, and the results are showing slowly enough that there isn't a general outcry, but quickly enough that more people (Christians, especially) should be taking a stand. Immorality WILL destroy a country from the inside out if it is left unchecked. External forces may attack the nation, and it's possible to stand united and win, but if we do not stand with unity against immorality, the nation will fall. I love this country enough to not want that to happen, but instead wish the country to continue to prosper and to be an even greater nation.

A nation that obeys the Word of God (the Bible) as a whole is a nation that can survive anything. Just look at the people of Israel; while I do not agree with their actions or beliefs as a nation now, there is no nation, people, or culture that has survived as long as they have. And they were disobedient to the Word on many occasions. That is the power of following the commandments and principles given by God. It has taken thousands of years to realize how amazingly practical and beneficial the agricultural, health, economic and moral laws are that are found in the Old Testament.

using an example if most people in a school were muslim and they all got onto their knees and started praying at any school event would that not only be uncomfortable but also very obviously wrong?

Immorality doesn't do anything and neither does morality. Wealth and power are the only things that will maintain a nation. A truly religious nation still needs an army as israel has and a economy that surpasses those of it's competitors and it does. You may say that morality creates these things and I'd agree but not because it's "good" and "upright" but because a moral mentality is a slave mentality and conformity is always good to keep the reigning goverment in power. B.F. Skinner said that you are the product of your experiences paraphrased. With people telling you that you are supposed to do X you eventually become it or do it over time. That's what morality is about. Self learnt control is entirely different.

 

[RedArmy]

religion, lol

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Rage187
the majority of the US is Christian, WTF are you talking about?

The religious makeup of a population is irrelevent. Calling it a 'christian nation' implies correlation between the government structure itself and religion, something complete opposite to the founding of this nation. Furthermore it is a phrase of discrimination, labelling non-christians as equivalent to non-americans. It is bigoted, ignorant, and hateful.

Are you DVK's alter-ego that can actually write in english or are you his lover?

Neither. I'm a soon-to-be history teacher who is offended by the religious assault upon my nation.

I had a professor like you last semester. "Religious assault" my ass. Give me (and america) a break. Everyone is intolerant of everyone. I'm a Christian and I see that.

Listen, Christians jump all over atheist and make stupid, illogical arguments because 99.9% of the time, they're fundys. Atheist call Christians stupid and weak. Get over it. I could care less that your an atheist. Good for you. But there's no need to categorize an entire religion based on a screwed CNN News discussion. Honestly. ATOT has gone down the tube because of stupid kids who need to go to school instead of posting and actually think before they do.

Ummm, first of all I never categorized anything, this isn't my thread. Second, I'm not an atheist. So you'll want to watch the hypocrisy in the future.

Finally, there is ample support to consider this particular awakening as an assault. It differs from previous versions in some significant ways, mostly dealing with government and national identity. The McCarthy era revisions were equivalent, but not accompanied by an awakening.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Unheard
Boycott McDonalds!

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Fausto1/DVK916.jpg

WTFHelloKitty?!

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: misle

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KMurphy

This nation of yours was founded on religion. Specifically, freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion. Remember, "In God We Trust". Some history teacher you'll make :roll:

No, this nation was founded on freedom of religion guaranteed by the total separation of the church from the state. Religious freedom can only thrive in a nation in which the government maintains total religious neutrality.

"In God we trust" was NOT a motto created by our Founding Fathers. It became mandatory on all money during the communist witch hunts of the 1950s. The national motto was, and still is "E Pluribus Unum" (From many, one). "Under God" was added to the pledge during the same period.

If should also be noted that the "separation of church and state" came about by Justice Hugo Black, who wrote, "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach." This took place in 1947 during the trial of Everson v. Board of Education.

It should also be noted that Justice Black was a KKK member and highly prejudice against the Catholic Church.

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus, building a wall of separation between Church and State" (Thomas Jefferson, 1802, letter to Danbury Baptist Association).

"The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State" (James Madison [author of the first amendment], 1819, Writings, 8:432).

"Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance" (James Madison, 1822, Writings, 9:101).

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history" (James Madison, undated, William and Mary Quarterly, 1946, 3:555).

"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Govt (sic) will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." (James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, 1822)

Separation of church and state is the phrase the very authors of the first amendment used to describe it.

Nice try at history revisionism, though.

I don't know how, but someone is doing a good job of cramming bullshit history down people's throats. It's like somehow the Enlightenment period was ripped out of textbooks.

The founding fathers were classical liberals.

If you don't trust real history books, just look at Washington, DC. Greek architecture everywhere.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: misle

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KMurphy

This nation of yours was founded on religion. Specifically, freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion. Remember, "In God We Trust". Some history teacher you'll make :roll:

No, this nation was founded on freedom of religion guaranteed by the total separation of the church from the state. Religious freedom can only thrive in a nation in which the government maintains total religious neutrality.

"In God we trust" was NOT a motto created by our Founding Fathers. It became mandatory on all money during the communist witch hunts of the 1950s. The national motto was, and still is "E Pluribus Unum" (From many, one). "Under God" was added to the pledge during the same period.

If should also be noted that the "separation of church and state" came about by Justice Hugo Black, who wrote, "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach." This took place in 1947 during the trial of Everson v. Board of Education.

It should also be noted that Justice Black was a KKK member and highly prejudice against the Catholic Church.

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus, building a wall of separation between Church and State" (Thomas Jefferson, 1802, letter to Danbury Baptist Association).

"The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State" (James Madison [author of the first amendment], 1819, Writings, 8:432).

"Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance" (James Madison, 1822, Writings, 9:101).

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history" (James Madison, undated, William and Mary Quarterly, 1946, 3:555).

"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Govt (sic) will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." (James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, 1822)

Separation of church and state is the phrase the very authors of the first amendment used to describe it.

Nice try at history revisionism, though.

I don't know how, but someone is doing a good job of cramming bullshit history down people's throats. It's like somehow the Enlightenment period was ripped out of textbooks.

The founding fathers were classical liberals.

If you don't trust real history books, just look at Washington, DC. Greek architecture everywhere.

Yep, today the Founding Fathers would be labeled as "crackpot libertarians." Assaulted by the left as uncaring conservatives and by the right as liberal hippies.

All they wanted from the start was to live and let live. Keep the government out of our private social AND fiscal lives.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Very distrubing, what what these people are saying about atheist. Only smith is saying anything nice about athiest. But he still says some nasty things him self, like this is a chirstian nation. And how would that black would like it if I said, "Black people need to shut up, about discrimination".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU&eurl=

I will never watch CNN again. They are crap now.

you are an idiot. please learn how to verbalize (write, in this case) properly in the english language, and never post again.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: irishScott
That black lady was a b!tch. The black guy seemed reasonable.

He seemed ok, but said some bigoted things too, like this is a christian nation, everyone I know loves god.

you are an insult to your avatar. please fall asleep in a shallow puddle.

 

[Xylitol]

I think that the woman was a bit harsh
But I still believe that atheists should shut their mouths if they want to get rid
of American traditions such as the God references on our currency and the pledge of allegiance

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I think that the woman was a bit harsh
But I still believe that atheists should shut their mouths if they want to get rid
of American traditions such as the God references on our currency and the pledge of allegiance

The thing is, its not a tradition, it was recently added. Recent in terms of the beginning of our nation.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I think that the woman was a bit harsh
But I still believe that atheists should shut their mouths if they want to get rid
of American traditions such as the God references on our currency and the pledge of allegiance

You really think that a 'tradition' that didn't start until 1950's during a crisis and arguably embarrassing time in our history is more important than the founding of the country and the tradition that existed for the 200 years before the change? I'm not being snide, I really want to know why people care more about short lived traditions than foundations or longer lived traditions.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

*yawn* Another thread by this guy? Wow, I expected a ban by now... Mods must be hitting the doobies again and must be slow to the trigger. Aaaanyways, why anyone even cares is beyond me... I dont like the thought of "In God We Trust" being taken off coins or "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance although I see the atheist's point. However, Bible reading and prayer? Thats my thing and its personal. Ill do it when I choose. If you are so offended by seeing a book or hearing me say some words with my eyes closed then you can go float and sputter elsewhere

 

[Lenine]

http://digg.com/politics/CNN_Caves_to_D..._Dawkins_to_be_Guest_on_Thursday_at_8p

 

[eits]

uh... ok.... why am i boycotting cnn? because of an open discussion between theists about whether or not atheists should shut up? the most level-minded person in the discussion, stephen a. smith, is in favor of the atheists' argument... the other two are just portrayed as being off the deep end/annoying.

this is a stupid thread.

i won't comment on the op because i haven't seen enough of his posts/threads to make a comment. however, apparently, it seems like he's renowned for being a dumbass...

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: eits
uh... ok.... why am i boycotting cnn? because of an open discussion between theists about whether or not atheists should shut up? two of these theists are arguing IN FAVOR of the atheists' argument...

this is a stupid thread.

i won't comment on the op because i haven't seen enough of his posts/threads to make a comment. however, apparently, it seems like he's renowned for being a dumbass...

ROFL... try again :roll: Both women were of the opinion that, as citizens of a "christian nation", atheists should stfu and accept the fact that the word "God" has been stamped on and inserted into many things that it really has no business being in. I can't even begin to describe how idiotic I think the one woman was for claiming prayer should be kept in public schools...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Very distrubing, what what these people are saying about atheist. Only smith is saying anything nice about athiest. But he still says some nasty things him self, like this is a chirstian nation. And how would that black would like it if I said, "Black people need to shut up, about discrimination".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU&eurl=

I will never watch CNN again. They are crap now.

Unified Atheist League

United Atheist Alliance

Allied Atheist Allegiance

Which are you a member of?

 

[DAGTA]

I wonder if DVK916 will boycott the Theory of Evolution since Darwin was a devout Catholic?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I wonder if DVK916 will boycott the Theory of Evolution since Darwin was a devout Catholic?

I hear book burning being called for already.

 

[desiplaya4life]

BOYCOTT CNN, FOX, ABC

READ ONLINE SOURCES FROM AROUND THE WORLD to get the right facts

 

[herkulease]

Its shocking that Stephen A. Smith a guy that is usually loud and obnoxious on ESPN is the calm, soft spoken one. Doesn't jump on anyone toes while the other two chicks just go at it. Why he was even invited is beyond me.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
it's a scary situation when stephen a. smith is the best speaker in the room.

QFT.

The fact the white girl was effectively saying Europe is going in the toilet because it is becoming Islamic is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

The other lady's argument was completely hypocritical, saying Atheists should shut-up and not be imposing their beliefs on her, but wanting to do the exact same thing to not only Atheists, but devotees of any non-Christian religion. She is blinded by her ignorance and intolerance! Absolutely maddening stuff!!

KT

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I wonder if DVK916 will boycott the Theory of Evolution since Darwin was a devout Catholic?

In the first half of his life perhaps...