No matter how many junk threads he's made on the subject, this was a good find and very interesting. I fully support him for posting about it.
No matter how many junk threads he's made on the subject, this was a good find and very interesting. I fully support him for posting about it.
Bull fvcking ****** and completely countered by posts already made, as well as any person with a brain.
Fvcking disgusting. This nation is in desperate need of a new 'enlightenment' to end this newest 'great awakening'.
The religious makeup of a population is irrelevent. Calling it a 'christian nation' implies correlation between the government structure itself and religion, something complete opposite to the founding of this nation. Furthermore it is a phrase of discrimination, labelling non-christians as equivalent to non-americans. It is bigoted, ignorant, and hateful.
wow I can't believe there is a panel where I think Steven A. Smith is the least biased person on the panel.
Neither. I'm a soon-to-be history teacher who is offended by the religious assault upon my nation.
This nation of yours was founded on religion. Specifically, freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion. Remember, "In God We Trust". Some history teacher you'll make :roll:
I havent read all the posts here but these people are idiots. Why are they even discussing this. Are they supreme court justices? They the black women clearly does not know how to look at a problem from more then her own standpoint. Why is this so hard to understand?
Isnt the black guy a ESPN dude? WHy does he make the most sense out of all of them including a Pulitzer winner?
24 hour news stations sucks.
Isnt the black guy a ESPN dude? WHy does he make the most sense out of all of them including a Pulitzer winner?
24 hour news stations sucks.
Vic
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Heh. True that. Karen Hunter was certainly out of line. OTOH, why would atheists be seeking religious freedom if they're not a religion?
edit: BTW, this should serve as a lesson for the OP that you get as you give. Isn't he still trying to get that UC Davis hydrology professor fired because of his religious beliefs?
Atheists are persecuted far less than Christians are. The worst things that can happen to an atheist in a Christian environment (which is rare) is feeling a little uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable when being among atheists or other people who are comfortable with their sins and don't believe in God, but you won't see me complaining. There is freedom to practice any religion in this country, so long as that religion does not break any laws of the government. I think separation of church and state (which isn't a law, contrary to popular belief) is fine, but the truth is that a lot of our laws are ultimately based on commandments/principles in the bible. You may not agree with that, but at least show some respect for that fact.
Even if Christians were 90% of the population (and in reality, I think less than 10% are actual Christians, and the rest are nominal) you would not see persecution of atheists. God never says in the Bible to "smite those who do not believe", but rather to show the love, forgiveness, righteousness and compassion that Christ showed, even to towards those who "spitefully use" us and "persecute" us. If, however, the country was 90% atheist, I think that there would be persecution of Christians who truly follow Christ. Already there is an increasing attitude of hate and resentment of Christians in this nation, mostly whenever we Christians speak up against what we believe is wrong. You only need to look at countries where Christians were a small minority in a nation that encouraged atheism to see how Christians have been killed because they stood up in the name of Christ. To this day there are thousands of Christians being killed a year, mostly by people of other religions, but also by atheists. It doesn't take long for resentment to turn into full blown hate and persecution.
There are (perhaps a small number, but a few nonetheless) people even on AT that think that the United States would be better off without Christians, and, were it possible to get away with it, would like to see us Christians all dead. Those who actually preach "tolerance" (which is actually a codeword for "I want to do whatever I want to do, whether it's right or not") don't want to tolerate Christians because they think we are intolerant. And that is true, to an extent: Christians shouldn't tolerate sin. There isn't freedom in sin, like people seem to think; sin actually enslaves and undermines the security and stability of the entire nation. Laws aren't there to control people, but to provide safety and freedom within the law. Christians should hate sin, but show love towards those who commit sin. Hate sin, not the sinner. Hate crime, and justly punish crime according the the laws that are in place, but do not hate the criminal.
It's your right to not believe in God, but don't try and legislate any reference to Him just because you feel uncomfortable about it. This nation has never forced people to worship God, and (hopefully) it never will.
Even if Christians were 90% of the population (and in reality, I think less than 10% are actual Christians, and the rest are nominal) you would not see persecution of atheists. God never says in the Bible to "smite those who do not believe", but rather to show the love, forgiveness, righteousness and compassion that Christ showed, even to towards those who "spitefully use" us and "persecute" us. If, however, the country was 90% atheist, I think that there would be persecution of Christians who truly follow Christ. Already there is an increasing attitude of hate and resentment of Christians in this nation, mostly whenever we Christians speak up against what we believe is wrong. You only need to look at countries where Christians were a small minority in a nation that encouraged atheism to see how Christians have been killed because they stood up in the name of Christ. To this day there are thousands of Christians being killed a year, mostly by people of other religions, but also by atheists. It doesn't take long for resentment to turn into full blown hate and persecution.
There are (perhaps a small number, but a few nonetheless) people even on AT that think that the United States would be better off without Christians, and, were it possible to get away with it, would like to see us Christians all dead. Those who actually preach "tolerance" (which is actually a codeword for "I want to do whatever I want to do, whether it's right or not") don't want to tolerate Christians because they think we are intolerant. And that is true, to an extent: Christians shouldn't tolerate sin. There isn't freedom in sin, like people seem to think; sin actually enslaves and undermines the security and stability of the entire nation. Laws aren't there to control people, but to provide safety and freedom within the law. Christians should hate sin, but show love towards those who commit sin. Hate sin, not the sinner. Hate crime, and justly punish crime according the the laws that are in place, but do not hate the criminal.
It's your right to not believe in God, but don't try and legislate any reference to Him just because you feel uncomfortable about it. This nation has never forced people to worship God, and (hopefully) it never will.
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No, this nation was founded on freedom of religion guaranteed by the total separation of the church from the state. Religious freedom can only thrive in a nation in which the government maintains total religious neutrality.
"In God we trust" was NOT a motto created by our Founding Fathers. It became mandatory on all money during the communist witch hunts of the 1950s. The national motto was, and still is "E Pluribus Unum" (From many, one). "Under God" was added to the pledge during the same period.
So
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Originally posted by: Vic
Heh. True that. Karen Hunter was certainly out of line. OTOH, why would atheists be seeking religious freedom if they're not a religion?
edit: BTW, this should serve as a lesson for the OP that you get as you give. Isn't he still trying to get that UC Davis hydrology professor fired because of his religious beliefs?
Because religious freedom indicates that you won't be forced to worship the state religion. There have been plenty of states in history that gave you 'religious freedom' so long as you also prayed to their gods...
Vic
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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Vic
Heh. True that. Karen Hunter was certainly out of line. OTOH, why would atheists be seeking religious freedom if they're not a religion?
edit: BTW, this should serve as a lesson for the OP that you get as you give. Isn't he still trying to get that UC Davis hydrology professor fired because of his religious beliefs?
Because religious freedom indicates that you won't be forced to worship the state religion. There have been plenty of states in history that gave you 'religious freedom' so long as you also prayed to their gods...
I'm familiar with the 1st Amendment thank you.
My statement was tongue-in-cheek. Note the
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Wow, we're a Christian nation? The Founders would disagree.
This is their expert panel? Ok, a Pulitzer winner, but then a conservative writer, an ESPN analyst?
Atheist Hallmark cards.
Merry Whatever!
One in favor even of prayer in school. Wow. The one said that atheists are on the attack by forcing their beliefs on other people by trying to take "under God" out of the pledge. That was put into the pledge in 1954. Wouldn't that be considered an attempt to force an aspect of the Christian religion on those who say the pledge? It indicates that "we" believe that God is on this country's side.
"In God we trust." I would never trust this God. Sure, sure, bad things happen to good people, but it's all ok because they'll go to Heaven. God just likes to screw with them for His own Amusement. "Hey, welcome to Heaven, sorry for all the s--t I put you through but, well, you know, you guys have that Jackass program. You all know that it's fun watching people get all f'd up, you know?"
A "right" to prayer in school? In a private school, go ahead. Not in a government run school. It's not allowed by the establishment clause.
Christian country again. Come. On.
Wow. Our country is strong because it's a Christian country, and we have strong Christians, and "atheists are not strong and I think that's a good thing." Wow.
"You should really shut up."
Translation: I can't argue with you with any civility, so I'm going to attack you and your right to argue in the first place.
This is their expert panel? Ok, a Pulitzer winner, but then a conservative writer, an ESPN analyst?
Atheist Hallmark cards.
Merry Whatever!
One in favor even of prayer in school. Wow. The one said that atheists are on the attack by forcing their beliefs on other people by trying to take "under God" out of the pledge. That was put into the pledge in 1954. Wouldn't that be considered an attempt to force an aspect of the Christian religion on those who say the pledge? It indicates that "we" believe that God is on this country's side.
"In God we trust." I would never trust this God. Sure, sure, bad things happen to good people, but it's all ok because they'll go to Heaven. God just likes to screw with them for His own Amusement. "Hey, welcome to Heaven, sorry for all the s--t I put you through but, well, you know, you guys have that Jackass program. You all know that it's fun watching people get all f'd up, you know?"
A "right" to prayer in school? In a private school, go ahead. Not in a government run school. It's not allowed by the establishment clause.
Christian country again. Come. On.
Wow. Our country is strong because it's a Christian country, and we have strong Christians, and "atheists are not strong and I think that's a good thing." Wow.
Proper, well argued, logical, talking head/pundit response:
"You should really shut up."
Translation: I can't argue with you with any civility, so I'm going to attack you and your right to argue in the first place.
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