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Boy age 5 shoots and kills 2-year old sister

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MrDudeMan said:
You can't have real respect or understanding for the power of a gun until you've fired one. It's not something you can think really hard about and then magically get it. You can understand the logic behind what it means to shoot one, but that's not the same.
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OK, call it "incomplete respect" then. I don't feel like its necessary to teach my 5 year old "complete respect" for a firearm by giving him one (if I had a five year old).
 
MrDudeMan said:
I don't really care what you plan to do with your kids or that you have emotional responses to things you don't fully understand. None of that changes the point - you can understand the logic without ever handling one, but that's about it. There's an entirely different viewpoint and understanding you gain after experiencing the trigger pull, noise, kickback, and jolt.
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Depends on the person. For me, I wanted to do it again. However, I've taken people to the range who got in there and didn't even want to pick up a gun let alone shoot it.

I took my wife to the range once and while she was glad she did it she never wanted to go back or shoot one again. Our son, on the other hand, has gone with me a couple times and he really likes it. I took my sister and her husband to the range and they both shot some of my handguns. Sister didn't really want to do it again, her husband did, and has (they still don't own any guns though).

I don't think you have to fire a gun to have respect for them. Call it fear, call it common sense, call it whatever you want. Semantics.

Like Kelvrick said, there are many people who never develop the proper respect even after firing and owning guns. The people in this news story sure as hell didn't have the proper respect for firearms.

And I'm not fucking stupid enough to leave guns lying around the house where my 10 year old can find them.
 
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Guns are good, when bullets are fired to someone else but ME...or my friends...

I lived for 30 years in society that had no guns, no one was killed...it was REALLY BAD, much better is a society with guns - so, you know about STATISTICS that everyday is someone killed, murdered, some kids @ school are shot...

I do always hear same BULLSHIT: "we need guns to protect ourselves"...day after day...same BULLSHIT...

Now..how many use guns to "protect ourselves" versus as as OFFENSIVE?

Once again...I lived for 30 years in very bad society - no one had a gun, no one needed to have a gun to protect himself/herself...It was veeerrryyyyboring to watch the news...
No friends killed by the guns...no funerals to attend....

Much better society is with guns...
Don't you like that pretty woman with A SMILE on TV announcing about people get killed?
Isn't that a wonderful world we live in?
 
NFS4 said:
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that everyone should fire guns to appreciate them better?

Some people just don't care about guns, nor do they want to have anything to do with them.
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I don't think there's an absolute need for everyone to fire a gun, but my opinion is that it's something everyone should do at least once. It's a topic that isn't going to go away and many, many people have strong opinions based on absolutely no experience or, even worse, fear.

Not caring about them and not wanting anything to do with them are different things. You don't have to care, but you are involved whether you like it or not. People like you with opinions based on nothing other than being scared are deciding what I can do with the guns I responsibly own. The same argument can be made for many other topics, though, so I'm not trying to say guns are being singled out by fear-mongers. Where applicable, it would be good for people to try to experience things before forming strong opinions. It's not always possible - I get that - but in this case it's an afternoon and $20 to gain a better understanding of a very current and relevant topic.
 
Gintaras said:
Guns are good, when bullets are fired to someone else but ME...or my friends...

I lived for 30 years in society that had no guns, no one was killed...it was REALLY BAD, much better is a society with guns - so, you know about STATISTICS that everyday is someone killed, murdered, some kids @ school are shot...

I do always hear same BULLSHIT: "we need guns to protect ourselves"...day after day...same BULLSHIT...

Now..how many use guns to "protect ourselves" versus as as OFFENSIVE?

Once again...I lived for 30 years in very bad society - no one had a gun, no one needed to have a gun to protect himself/herself...It was veeerrryyyyboring to watch the news...
No friends killed by the guns...no funerals to attend....

Much better society is with guns...
Don't you like that pretty woman with A SMILE on TV announcing about people get killed?
Isn't that a wonderful world we live in?
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Where did you live? I smell a huge, steaming pile of bullshit, but before I explain why your post is ridiculous, I'd like to hear the location.
 
Corporate Thug said:
OK, call it "incomplete respect" then. I don't feel like its necessary to teach my 5 year old "complete respect" for a firearm by giving him one (if I had a five year old).
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I also don't think a 5 year old should have one. Incomplete understanding/respect/whatever isn't always a bad thing, but in this case it's a driving force behind new legislation.

JulesMaximus said:
Depends on the person. For me, I wanted to do it again. However, I've taken people to the range who got in there and didn't even want to pick up a gun let alone shoot it.

I took my wife to the range once and while she was glad she did it she never wanted to go back or shoot one again. Our son, on the other hand, has gone with me a couple times and he really likes it. I took my sister and her husband to the range and they both shot some of my handguns. Sister didn't really want to do it again, her husband did, and has (they still don't own any guns though).

I don't think you have to fire a gun to have respect for them. Call it fear, call it common sense, call it whatever you want. Semantics.

Like Kelvrick said, there are many people who never develop the proper respect even after firing and owning guns. The people in this news story sure as hell didn't have the proper respect for firearms.

And I'm not fucking stupid enough to leave guns lying around the house where my 10 year old can find them.
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I didn't mean that firing one will make you all of a sudden love it. I meant that it gives you an entirely new understanding of what a gun really is. Kids probably aren't really capable of understanding how dangerous they are even with experience, though, which is why they shouldn't be given one or allowed to operate one unsupervised. I have no issues with kids shooting guns. I'll definitely teach mine how to shoot so they don't grow up to be irrationally fearful like many people are these days, but that doesn't mean they'll get to play with one at their leisure.
 
MrDudeMan said:
I don't think there's an absolute need for everyone to fire a gun, but my opinion is that it's something everyone should do at least once. It's a topic that isn't going to go away and many, many people have strong opinions based on absolutely no experience or, even worse, fear.

Not caring about them and not wanting anything to do with them are different things. You don't have to care, but you are involved whether you like it or not. People like you with opinions based on nothing other than being scared are deciding what I can do with the guns I responsibly own. The same argument can be made for many other topics, though, so I'm not trying to say guns are being singled out by fear-mongers. Where applicable, it would be good for people to try to experience things before forming strong opinions. It's not always possible - I get that - but in this case it's an afternoon and $20 to gain a better understanding of a very current and relevant topic.
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Hold on, hold on. Where did I say anything about you and your guns? I simply said that I won't fire one, don't want one in my house, and don't want my son using guns. Period. Has nothing to do with you.

If you want to shoot your guns and have fun, that's your business. Just because you want your guns doesn't mean I have to share your zeal/enthusiasm.
 
NFS4 said:
Hold on, hold on. Where did I say anything about you and your guns? I simply said that I won't fire one, don't want one in my house, and don't want my son using guns. Period. Has nothing to do with you.

If you want to shoot your guns and have fun, that's your business. Just because you want your guns doesn't mean I have to share your zeal/enthusiasm.
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Maybe my post had the wrong tone. I also know you didn't say anything directly, but people are making decisions about what everyone can do with their guns and many of them are basing their argument off of zero experience. I understand and don't care that you don't want to shoot a gun, as odd as that may seem to not even do it once. You still have the right to decide what I'm allowed to do with mine in spite of your lack of experience. That was the only point I was trying to make about that particular piece of this discussion.

I don't have any zeal and I'm hardly enthusiastic. It's logical to me to own one and for my kids to understand what they are and also how to use them. I don't desire to own an arsenal or for my kids to grow up with necklaces made out of shell casings. My primary purpose for owning one is self defense.
 
You get 5yr olds books & toys for gifts, not guns.

Bet those idiots never even read to their kids, if they can even read themselves.

Did the kid get a lifetime membership to the NRA with the gun?

Will the NRA offer the kid a discount now?
 
I'm going to guess that statistically, people whose parents started teaching them to use a firearm when they were younger children & taught them to respect firearms (and whose parents weren't idiots who left loaded guns in the corner) are statistically less likely to commit a felony with a firearm than people who grew up without parents ever teaching them about firearm safety.

I live in a rural area - little GIRLS shoot guns regularly. Somehow, we don't seem to have a problem with gun violence.
 
Single wide trailor with rocks on the roof to hold down the sheet metal. Was described as the most christian people around.

(per local news interview)
 
DrPizza said:
I'm going to guess that statistically, people whose parents started teaching them to use a firearm when they were younger children & taught them to respect firearms (and whose parents weren't idiots who left loaded guns in the corner) are statistically less likely to commit a felony with a firearm than people who grew up without parents ever teaching them about firearm safety.

I live in a rural area - little GIRLS shoot guns regularly. Somehow, we don't seem to have a problem with gun violence.
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WTF are you talking about? On fence posts across the countryside, beer bottles are being assassinated every day in acts of senseless gun violence.
 
vi edit said:
I was "given" a .22 bolt action for my 5th birthday from my Grandpa. By "given" it really meant that it was hung unloaded, about 8' off the floor on a gun rack and I got to shoot it a couple times out in a pasture under very strict supervision of my Dad.

"Giving" a gun to a 5 year is different than letting them handle a loaded one, in the presence of other people/children and being completely bat shit retarded about it.
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Qft.
 
JTsyo said:
5yr old unsupervised with a .22 rifle, who would have guessed something would go wrong? Him having the rifle is fine but should only be handling it with adult supervision. I mean would you give a power drill to play with at 5?
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I wouldn't give a power drill anything but a load of batteries, except maybe a celebratory load of semen after building a mancave with it.
 
stay tuned for a preview of next week's episode of Things-We-Buy-Because-There's-Nothing-Else-To-Do-Around-Here...
 
Didn't know there was a round in it? I can tell you right now where every single gun is, if it has a chambered round or magazine, and where every last round is, down to the breakdown of calibers, brand, FMJ, JHP, in mag or in box, my whole inventory, down to the 1 Speer Gold Dot .40 180gr that I picked up off the floor somewhere.

So sick of hearing "didn't know it had a round in it". If I'm not actively shooting I check every time I touch any operational part even when I already know it's empty, end even then I still point it towards something structural that can absorb a discharge before dropping the hammer on an empty chamber.

I can tell you how many rds of each bullet type or weight I have in which magazines without looking, and you can't remember there is a chambered round in one fucking rifle?
 
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