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Boy age 5 shoots and kills 2-year old sister

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pontifex said:
anyone else tired of the sick anti-gunners making sick jokes about tragedies?

not just singling out Jules, he just happened to be the last one I saw in a long list of them in this thread.
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It is annoying but also just a response to the pro-gun group that has to add "ban assault X!" to every non-gun tragedy that occurs.

And jokes about tragedies are pretty much how ATOT rolls regardless of if those jokes have a pro/anti gun slant or not.
 
CountZero said:
It is annoying but also just a response to the pro-gun group that has to add "ban assault X!" to every non-gun tragedy that occurs.

And jokes about tragedies are pretty much how ATOT rolls regardless of if those jokes have a pro/anti gun slant or not.
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Don't be a hater. It's how we cope... :'(
 
This story hits way too close to home for me than a lot of you will ever know.

Tragic, but sometimes these things happen no matter what you try to do to protect everyone. My thoughts will be with the mother and son in the hopes that this incident doesn't ruin their lives.
 
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There's always one who takes it too far.
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Zargon said:
accuracy at distance? teach them respect?(something that obv wasnt done here)

I know handfuls of people that were 'given' and taught how to shoot at age 5-7 with .22LR bolt actions

sounds like this was being treated as a TOY instead of a GUN. Thats the problem right there
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is it absolutely necessary to teach accuracy at distance at the age of 5? Respect cannot be taught with an airsoft rifle or better yet without a weapon?
 
Corporate Thug said:
is it absolutely necessary to teach accuracy at distance at the age of 5? Respect cannot be taught with an airsoft rifle or better yet without a weapon?
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Eh I could easily argue that the recoil, noise, and damage that a "real" gun can do while shooting is a much more of a visceral feedback and impressionable than a air rifle or a toy gun.

Gun safety starts with respect. Hard to respect something if you have no idea what it can do.
 
vi edit said:
Eh I could easily argue that the recoil, noise, and damage that a "real" gun can do while shooting is a much more of a visceral feedback and impressionable than a air rifle or a toy gun.

Gun safety starts with respect. Hard to respect something if you have no idea what it can do.
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Huh, well, I've never owned a gun and didn't fire one until my 20s and I feel like I've always had "respect" for guns.

If that's something that a 5 year MUST learn, then so be it. I bet in retrospect, the parents will agree that it wasn't necessary.
 
Corporate Thug said:
If that's something that a 5 year MUST learn, then so be it. I bet in retrospect, the parents will agree that it wasn't necessary.
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The whole point is that it wasn't taught and the parents didn't get it either. It was left loaded and unsecured in a corner with young kids.
 
Corporate Thug said:
Huh, well, I've never owned a gun and didn't fire one until my 20s and I feel like I've always had "respect" for guns.

If that's something that a 5 year MUST learn, then so be it. I bet in retrospect, the parents will agree that it wasn't necessary.
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You can't have real respect or understanding for the power of a gun until you've fired one. It's not something you can think really hard about and then magically get it. You can understand the logic behind what it means to shoot one, but that's not the same.
 
MrDudeMan said:
You can't have real respect or understanding for the power of a gun until you've fired one. It's not something you can think really hard about and then magically get it. You can understand the logic behind what it means to shoot one, but that's not the same.
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I don't know if that serious or sarcasm. But it's not that different than many types of power tools. Sure people can know that a table saw is dangerous, but until you see one take a piece of lumber and launch it it through a wall you really don't fully understand.
 
MrDudeMan said:
You can't have real respect or understanding for the power of a gun until you've fired one. It's not something you can think really hard about and then magically get it. You can understand the logic behind what it means to shoot one, but that's not the same.
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Just a side note, but many people never develop the proper respect even after firing a gun.
 
MrDudeMan said:
You can't have real respect or understanding for the power of a gun until you've fired one. It's not something you can think really hard about and then magically get it. You can understand the logic behind what it means to shoot one, but that's not the same.
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I don't need to fire one to know that I don't want one in my house or around my son. And if my son has friends whose parents are fast and loose with guns, he won't be going to their house either.
 
vi edit said:
I don't know if that serious or sarcasm. But it's not that different than many types of power tools. Sure people can know that a table saw is dangerous, but until you see one take a piece of lumber and launch it it through a wall you really don't fully understand.
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Completely serious.
 
Kelvrick said:
Just a side note, but many people never develop the proper respect even after firing a gun.
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Fair enough. Never firing one at all 100% prevents you from having that respect, though.

NFS4 said:
I don't need to fire one to know that I don't want one in my house or around my son. And if my son has friends whose parents are fast and loose with guns, he won't be going to their house either.
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I don't really care what you plan to do with your kids or that you have emotional responses to things you don't fully understand. None of that changes the point - you can understand the logic without ever handling one, but that's about it. There's an entirely different viewpoint and understanding you gain after experiencing the trigger pull, noise, kickback, and jolt.
 
MrDudeMan said:
I don't really care what you plan to do with your kids or that you have emotional responses to things you don't fully understand. None of that changes the point - you can understand the logic without ever handling one, but that's about it. There's an entirely different viewpoint and understanding you gain after experiencing the trigger pull, noise, kickback, and jolt.
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I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that everyone should fire guns to appreciate them better?

Some people just don't care about guns, nor do they want to have anything to do with them.
 
LTC8K6 said:
It was left loaded? A 5 year old is too young to remember to check the gun every time. This is negligent parents. But they have already suffered the loss of a child...
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So? These are the type of people whose irresponsibility gives people who actually want to ban firearms reasons to stay in that mindset.

These parents are no better than the LEO back West who left his children (one of whom had a fascination with guns) unsupervised with a loaded firearm in the vehicles console when he could have let his wife go alone into the store and stayed to watch the children

The son who was fascinated with guns shot his sister dead while the officer and his wife were in the car.

Sorry while it's sad for the parents they need to be held accountable for the lose of life.
 
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