Exactly. If the kid can make a cop pull his gun, i think the kid would have been able to chase after the cop with a spear like broom. With a broken broom, the cop's eyes could have been in danger so the cop is not at fault.
Depending on how the broom was broken, the weapon could have been very leathal. Imagine if the broom broke in a way that was nearly spear like as i've seen how wood breaks sometimes. Plus, the cop's eyes were in danger in close combat.
Ok you pissant, then ask me.
I started in martial arts when I was 6. I've kept up pretty well over the last 28 years. I served two years in the military, and 12 in security working with law enforcement. I am a certified self-defense instructor and teach community classes on firearms, crime, safety, and self-defense.
Yes, a broom handle is ABSOLUTELY a lethal weapon, both in ability and by legal definition (I posted the applicable RCW entry earlier). What you personally think is just an opinon, and is in opposition to the law. You have the ABSOLUTE right to use lethal force to defend yourself against any attack which risks your life.
I will agree that hands and feet are also lethal weapons, and I fully support allowing the use of lethal force if attacked in hand-to-hand combat. Furthermore, unless you are totally illogical, you would too, and here's why:
You yourself stated that hands and feet are equally or more lethal than a stick/broom handle/club. By legal definition those items ARE considered lethal weapons and you have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself against them. Therefore, you MUST believe that you have the right to use lethal force against unarmed combat as well. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
mobobuff
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Which boggles my mind, how the hell can he be a veteran officer if he's just completed his probationary period?
And being struck on the head doesn't make you forget what a gun does. And wood will never splinter to the sharpness of a spear. The attacker would have to have Popeye arms to have enough strength to impale someone with a broken stick. Some people seem to think the human body is paper-thin. Watching too many Quentin Tarantino movies. It's actually very tough, even if it's not a protected area like the chest cavity, you still have layers of muscle to go through. I couldn't even get a scalple through the abdomen of a CAT during anatomy class in high school without using unnatural force.
Fine you arrogant prvck, put your money where you mouth is. If you let me hit you with a broom handle, I'll let you punch me. Honest to God, straight exchange. We'll see who's still breathing after just one shot each.
Age really isn't relevant at all. Plenty of kids are large, drugs or mental illness add strength and endurance, there are plenty of teenage martial artists and experienced street fighters, etc. I can easily find a 14 year old who could take a lot of adults. Age doesn't matter, the situation does.
Can you read? Private Messages! No one want to hear you threaten me.
I will not take you up on this, I will take you up on the original offer, in which you say you would like to kill me.
"I would be happy to come at you with a broken broom handle and see if I can kill you. In fact, I'll pay you $1000 if you let me deomonstrate on you how lethal a broken broom handle can be."
I hope you succeed, you will have fun in prison.
I want you to walk outside and without knowing someone tell me if they're trained or not. If you're wrong, you will die. Good luck.
You have an opinion, ours differs, and the LAW is on OUR side, not yours.
Are you going to reply to _all_ my posts or are you going to answer the PM and carry out your original threat?
Exactly! (Except for the 'in the wrong' bit)
All I said was that sticks and fists are about equivelent. It's a technical point about martial arts, nothing to get angry about.
Anyway, he's gonna come and kill me soon apparently so you guys won't have to listen to this arguement any longer.
Sry, I posted a bunch before I caught up to your reply. This is what I told you in PM:
Report it all you want. The point of that post was that if I hit you just once, you will almost certainly be dead or unconscious. I have over 20 years combat experience man, in martial arts, the military, and working security. I've been in probably close to 1000 fights (for much of my security career I was averaging over 200 assaults a year, and these are documented). If there's anything I've learned in that it's that EVERY fight could be lethal.
The point of that post is to make you understand the difference between sitting in you chair spouting theories and keeping your head when your life is at stake.
Obviously I'm not acutally going to kill someone who isn't threatening me, but if you're seriously willing to stand there and let someone cripple or kill you then maybe you should consider seeking therapy.
you guys have no ****** idea what was going on. The cop could of been violently attacked and tried his best to stop the suspect. It all failed so he shot to disable the person because he could not stop him. Imagine yourself in a situation where you got someone attacking with a broomstick. He got a concussion from it.
you are still an idiot.
sticks and fists are NOT about equal, not even close to ABOUT equal.
there is a 0% chance that the kid would put his fist thru the policemans chest and kill him.
there is a pretty high chance that the kid will put the broken broom stick thru the policemans chest and kill him.
what exactly about that do you find ABOUT equal?
in all likelihood the kid probably wouldn't have been able to give the policeman a concussion just hitting him with his fist and yet he did hitting him with a broom stick.
problem with stupid people like you are you think it's black and white. you think because there was a CHANCE (possibility) the cop could have disarmed the boy he SHOULD have taken that course of action.
you are in ABSOLUTLEY no position to make that judgement call.
and no matter WHO is calculating the odds, NO ONE would say there was absolutely 100% chance the cop would be successful, dependning on which poster you ask you would get a range between very small chance of disarmament to a moderately high chance of disarmament.
even if you say moderately high it is STILL A JUDGEMENT CALL and the cop did the right thing because in HIS mind he didn't have a high chance of disarming the suspect.
actually, most of us posting here are in agreement with the actions of the cop.
it's only the few and stupid that thing the cop was in the wrong.
Can't help it, I've had a bad day and have 0 tolerance remaining for people who have IQ's lower than my waist size. His kind of bullcrap clogs our legal system, endangers lives, and just generally pollutes the planet.
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just ignore him. he has just enough knowledge on the subject to think he knows the facts. when all he does is show his ignorance.
best you can do is ignore him. I am just happy he is not in a position where he can do something to the officer.
you just need to remember some think that policemen/soldiers/firefighters are like super heroes when they are not.
mobobuff
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
actually, most of us posting here are in agreement with the actions of the cop.
it's only the few and stupid that thing the cop was in the wrong.
Actually, to correct you, it's only the people that sided with the cop that are being abrasive and rash in their debates so far in this discussion. Name calling and loaded speech is more the mark of someone with a lower intelligence.
And to be perfectly clear, I haven't sided with anyone in this story.
And to clarify a bit more, I would never hesitate to kill someone who was putting my life in danger.
Whatever man. I truly hope you get into a similar situation as this cop, try your bs, and die. The planet will be better off.
In the past I have actually posted my address and offered to 'instruct' people in the error of their ways. Then someone actually said they'd take me up on it, and I had to consider the fact that if they did show up, and all reasonable efforts failed, and they tried anything, I'd have to cripple or kill them. I really don't like having to hurt people, so that event made me realize that no matter much I might think people need it, I won't make them committing suicide easier by broadcasting my address. (there's a thread about all this, btw, when it happened).
I'm done. I'm too f'ing angry to type anymore, I'll just break my keyboard. I'm gonna go workout and drink a fifth of 151...hopefully tomorrow will be better.
Try what? Running away rather than killing a kid? OK I will, don't see how it will get me killed though.
You are an extremely violent man, do you know that?
I made no threat to you, and claimed nothing about being able to beat you in a fight. I meerly made a point about martial arts. You are free to make the opposite point, instead you have insulted, ridiculed, threatened and challenged me.
If we meet, and you kill me, you will go to jail. I will make no attempt to kill you, only to defend myself.
eits
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