Boy, 14, Shot and Killed by Police Officer

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
OK our cops should just let him beat his mother to death I guess

Where does it say he was doing this? I didn't see a link to any article that claims it. I read this:

"Mitter was one of two officers who responded to Cooper's home after his mother accused him of stealing her boyfriend's bicycle. Mitter stayed behind to write a theft report after the other officer left, and that's when the boy attacked him, police said."

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Broomstick is not a lethal weapon? I'm sure if I hit you over the head with a some wood and broke it over your head you'd change your mind.

I've been hit with a bottle - that's harder than a broomstick and I'm not dead. Seen people hit with worse too, and they're not dead. A bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Broomstick is not a lethal weapon? I'm sure if I hit you over the head with a some wood and broke it over your head you'd change your mind.

I've been hit with a bottle - that's harder than a broomstick and I'm not dead. Seen people hit with worse too, and they're not dead. A bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch.

Apparently you've never seen a broken broomstick. The way they break, you're essentially left with a sharp, jagged spear. That can do a hell of a lot of damage, and sure as hell can impale someone.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
OK our cops should just let him beat his mother to death I guess

Where does it say he was doing this? I didn't see a link to any article that claims it. I read this:

"Mitter was one of two officers who responded to Cooper's home after his mother accused him of stealing her boyfriend's bicycle. Mitter stayed behind to write a theft report after the other officer left, and that's when the boy attacked him, police said."

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Broomstick is not a lethal weapon? I'm sure if I hit you over the head with a some wood and broke it over your head you'd change your mind.

I've been hit with a bottle - that's harder than a broomstick and I'm not dead. Seen people hit with worse too, and they're not dead. A bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch.

wow. you are ignorant.

a bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch? bwhahahahahah damn.

not a lethal weapon? hahaha damn.

 

[PinmasterJay]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
OK our cops should just let him beat his mother to death I guess

Where does it say he was doing this? I didn't see a link to any article that claims it. I read this:

"Mitter was one of two officers who responded to Cooper's home after his mother accused him of stealing her boyfriend's bicycle. Mitter stayed behind to write a theft report after the other officer left, and that's when the boy attacked him, police said."

The youth's mother - a state correctional officer - called police to her home in the 300 block of Font Hill Ave. about 9:30 a.m. with a report that her son was assaulting her, according to Lt. Col. Glenn Williams, the department's Area 2 commander.

That was about 10 posts up :roll:

EDIT: And upon further investigation, it was posted in response to something you posted, wow....

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Listen flamers, I don't the deny the boy is a bad egg, I am meerly saying he is a _boy_ not a man. He is not even legally responsible for his actions, regardless of mental illness, which he supposedly had a history of.

A broomstick is not a lethal weapon, or no more than fists and feet. The cop had time to spray him repeatedly with mace, then aim and fire an accurate shot - he had time to run away.

There is no reason for this kid to die.

ANYTHING can be a leathal weapon, including your hands and feet.
In fact I would wager that your hands and feet are probably MORE lethal than a broken broomstick.
I would also wager had the officer not responded with lethal force and had been murdered by or seriously injured by him, the kid would be tried AS AN ADULT. Meaning no nice time spent in juvie with your record wiped clean at 18, its one way ticket to the big house, do not pass go, do not collect $200, say hi to bubba while you are in there.
Also, who says the shot was aimed at the boy's shoulder? Cops are trained to aim at center mass, that being the middle of your chest. A hit in the shoulder would indicate that either A. The cop is a lousy shot. or B. He was hurried in taking his shot in fear of being stabbed with a pointy stick.
You are right though the kid didn't have to die, but he made the choice to attack an armed officer of the law. That sealed his fate.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
OK our cops should just let him beat his mother to death I guess

Where does it say he was doing this? I didn't see a link to any article that claims it. I read this:

"Mitter was one of two officers who responded to Cooper's home after his mother accused him of stealing her boyfriend's bicycle. Mitter stayed behind to write a theft report after the other officer left, and that's when the boy attacked him, police said."

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Broomstick is not a lethal weapon? I'm sure if I hit you over the head with a some wood and broke it over your head you'd change your mind.

I've been hit with a bottle - that's harder than a broomstick and I'm not dead. Seen people hit with worse too, and they're not dead. A bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch.

I've been knocked into a daze in a 2v1 fight where a kid hit me from behind in the back of the head with a big stick (circumference the size of a baseball bat handle)... It actually dropped me to a kneeling position. A broomstick is just as tough most sticks you would find in the woods.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits


no one ever said that the cop was james bond or bruce lee. no one suggested it was a movie. however, i do know for a fact that cops go through training and classes in order to disarm or subdue someone when it's possible. i don't need some $3 haircut chump to tell me what training cops go through when my uncle is a cop. they're taught by martial arts experts and marines to handle situations without shooting their gun because it costs the state and police department lots of money when they have to go to court for this kind of thing... even if the person's innocent.

Obviously the cop was losing if he had a concussion and multiple lacerations on his head.

That should be enough for you... but no.

I wonder why?

Because uncle policeman told him so.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

you = dumb enough to think that a 14 year old breaking a broom handle over an unsuspecting cop's head means that he's got the training and agility with a point stick to out-fight said cop who's trained in combat and disarming combatant people...

Just how much self defense training do you think the average street cop has?

Also, just how effective do you think that training would be against someone who doesn't respond to pepper spray at all?

I find it simply amazing that people here don't believe the cop had the right to defend his life.

are you joking? you don't think a baltimore cop would be trained in self-defense? you don't think they'd train cops how to deal with combative people who don't respond to pepper spray or are high on pcp or drunk?

christ, you're dense.

maybe they don't teach cops how to protect themselves in your backwoods villiage, but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

And that training dictates that you dont get into hand to hand combat with anyone, because they can shoot you with your own firearm.

But of course you already knew that.

 

[classy]

The officer had to protect himself, but this is just another example of poor policing. Why did the other officer leave before the situation was completely handled is beyond me. And the officer could have tried to subdue the kid with his nightstick as well. Police officers have to be able to do a better job or be better trained. Sad story though.

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: Powermoloch
lol, that officer is a lazy ass. He could've tackled and cuffed the kid.

And risk taking a jagged piece of wood in the chest? Not worth the risk.

Do officers were give a choice to wear Bullet resistant vests these days? Did he actually wore one during the incident?

Bullet proof isn't stab proof at all. There are two entirely different types of vests for bullets and edged/piercing weapons. Neither of those is for bashing either.

It's hard to believe that a bullet proof vest will not protect a very slow projectile that breaks upon impact (a broken broom head, assuming it is wood).

Even a makeshift weapon has a good chance of going thru most of the surface area of a vest (at least that's what i've read in various reports, and after wearing one for years I'd agree). Just think about it, if that wasn't true why would they make different types of vests (ballistic vs puncture)? If you're wearing a trauma plate then that one location is probably safe. Even so, what keeps him from stabbing you in the arm, leg, crotch, neck, face, hand, foot, etc?

Now that's a different situation, I was replying about the chest. This is about a freaking broom we're talking about. Not just some extremely sharp pointed weapon.

reading comprehension 4 the win..
he snapped the broomhandle over the cops head thereby breaking it into a sharp spear...
have you not ever tried this? a broken broomhandle makes a VERY good/strong weapon..
i have no doubt it would penetrate a vest just as well as a knife..

Read closer to the article, it said jagged edged broom handle, not a clean cut spear. In fact, we don't know how the broken broom handle look like.

try this mr. wizard... go get a broom.. strike it agasint a blunt object.. watch how it breaks.. it will break and leave a jagged knife like edge... or better yet webster... go look up the word JAGGED in the god forsake dictionary.. the very meaning is sharp and uneven..

man nice self pwnage dork..

Bingo, all of my brooms have metal a / plastic handle. You can send a wood version one for me.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: waggy
wow. you are ignorant.

a bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch? bwhahahahahah damn.

not a lethal weapon? hahaha damn.

Yea, about as dangerous as a punch. Is there some problem with that? If you beat at someone's head for a minute or two, or if you know what you're doing and put in a good strike to the throat, you can kill someone with either. But it's not that easy. I wouldn't consider a fist or a stick (even a moderately sharp stick) a 'lethal weapon'.

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
The youth's mother - a state correctional officer - called police to her home in the 300 block of Font Hill Ave. about 9:30 a.m. with a report that her son was assaulting her, according to Lt. Col. Glenn Williams, the department's Area 2 commander.

That was about 10 posts up :roll:

EDIT: And upon further investigation, it was posted in response to something you posted, wow....

Nothing about beating to death there. You don't shoot someone for domestic violence do you? A kid?

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
ANYTHING can be a leathal weapon, including your hands and feet.
In fact I would wager that your hands and feet are probably MORE lethal than a broken broomstick.

Yea, that was my point. You don't shoot people for attacking you with hands and feet do you?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: waggy
wow. you are ignorant.

a bit of wood is only about as dangerous as a punch? bwhahahahahah damn.

not a lethal weapon? hahaha damn.

Yea, about as dangerous as a punch. Is there some problem with that? If you beat at someone's head for a minute or two, or if you know what you're doing and put in a good strike to the throat, you can kill someone with either. But it's not that easy. I wouldn't consider a fist or a stick (even a moderately sharp stick) a 'lethal weapon'.

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
The youth's mother - a state correctional officer - called police to her home in the 300 block of Font Hill Ave. about 9:30 a.m. with a report that her son was assaulting her, according to Lt. Col. Glenn Williams, the department's Area 2 commander.

That was about 10 posts up :roll:

EDIT: And upon further investigation, it was posted in response to something you posted, wow....

Nothing about beating to death there. You don't shoot someone for domestic violence do you? A kid?

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
ANYTHING can be a leathal weapon, including your hands and feet.
In fact I would wager that your hands and feet are probably MORE lethal than a broken broomstick.

Yea, that was my point. You don't shoot people for attacking you with hands and feet do you?

Again, it's painfully obvious you've never had to face violence and have absilutely no idea what you're talking about.

Sticks and bats are considered dangerous weapons. People are beaten to death by sticks and bats every day.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amused
Again, it's painfully obvious you've never had to face violence and have absilutely no idea what you're talking about.

Sticks and bats are considered dangerous weapons. People are beaten to death by sticks and bats every day.

I have experience in martial arts competition (low level) as well as street-fighting.

My statement was that a broom stick is about as dangerous as a punch and I stand by it. Ask a martial artist or anyone with the appropriate training. If other hand shapes than the classic punch are included then I would say hands are more lethal due to the possibility of pinpoint striking.

You do not shoot people who attack you with fists and sticks and things.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused
Again, it's painfully obvious you've never had to face violence and have absilutely no idea what you're talking about.

Sticks and bats are considered dangerous weapons. People are beaten to death by sticks and bats every day.

I have experience in martial arts competition (low level) as well as street-fighting.

My statement was that a broom stick is about as dangerous as a punch and I stand by it. Ask a martial artist or anyone with the appropriate training. If other hand shapes than the classic punch are included then I would say hands are more lethal due to the possibility of pinpoint striking.

You do not shoot people who attack you with fists and sticks and things.

Amazing. Simply amazing.

You have limited experience in controlled, phony, staged fighting and think you know real violence?

Ask any cop or security person if a person with a stick is more dangerous than an unarmed person... especially after that person has given you a concussion with said stick.

Better yet, go find someone with riot control experience.

Sticks and bats are deadly weapons:

http://www.tjpc.state.tx.us/publications/reviews/99/99-4-10.htm

Now please, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused
Again, it's painfully obvious you've never had to face violence and have absilutely no idea what you're talking about.

Sticks and bats are considered dangerous weapons. People are beaten to death by sticks and bats every day.

I have experience in martial arts competition (low level) as well as street-fighting.

My statement was that a broom stick is about as dangerous as a punch and I stand by it. Ask a martial artist or anyone with the appropriate training. If other hand shapes than the classic punch are included then I would say hands are more lethal due to the possibility of pinpoint striking.

You do not shoot people who attack you with fists and sticks and things.

i have been in martial arts for most of my life. I can tell you a stick is far worse then a punch.

claiming a stick is the same as a punch just shows your ignorance. While a person trained in martial arts is going to be more effective bare handed they are also more effective with weapons (if trained in them anyway) then the average person.

you have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. you really do not know what you are talking about yet insist something is true when it is not. I am just glad you are not in a position of authority over people regarding such stuff.

 

[mobobuff]

Uhh... self defense? It was a broken broom handle for crying out loud, couldn't have been more than 4 feet long. He was in someone else's house, houses have exits. Either the cop scares easily and wasn't properly trained to disarm someone, or wasn't thinking clearly from the thwap on the head. From what I've heard, I can't see where firing a weapon was justified.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: Atheus
If you beat at someone's head for a minute or two, or if you know what you're doing and put in a good strike to the throat, you can kill someone with either.
You get the point...

Originally posted by: PinmasterJay
The youth's mother - a state correctional officer - called police to her home in the 300 block of Font Hill Ave. about 9:30 a.m. with a report that her son was assaulting her, according to Lt. Col. Glenn Williams, the department's Area 2 commander.

That was about 10 posts up :roll:

EDIT: And upon further investigation, it was posted in response to something you posted, wow....

Nothing about beating to death there. You don't shoot someone for domestic violence do you? A kid?

Yet you don't get the point.

The kid was shot for attacking the officer with a pointed stick, some thing that in the eyes of the law would be considered a lethal weapon. The officer did not shoot the kid because he stole a bike and possibly was attacking his mother, that was simply the reason he was there.
The officer had been attacked with a weapon and had attempted to subdue the kid using non lethal force. That failed, he was forced to use lethal force, its not like he pulled up at the house jumped out of the car and went Rambo on the place.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uhh... self defense? It was a broken broom handle for crying out loud, couldn't have been more than 4 feet long. He was in someone else's house, houses have exits. Either the cop scares easily and wasn't properly trained to disarm someone, or wasn't thinking clearly from the thwap on the head. From what I've heard, I can't see where firing a weapon was justified.

Hey, how about a test? We'll enter a house I am familiar with, and you are not. I'll proceed to beat you with a stick and see if you can get away.

I'll bet you a months pay I win... if you live.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused
Again, it's painfully obvious you've never had to face violence and have absilutely no idea what you're talking about.

Sticks and bats are considered dangerous weapons. People are beaten to death by sticks and bats every day.

I have experience in martial arts competition (low level) as well as street-fighting.

My statement was that a broom stick is about as dangerous as a punch and I stand by it. Ask a martial artist or anyone with the appropriate training. If other hand shapes than the classic punch are included then I would say hands are more lethal due to the possibility of pinpoint striking.

You do not shoot people who attack you with fists and sticks and things.

You're an idiot. Fists are deadly weapons. Police officers and civilians are trained to shoot someone if their life is threatened by any means. That could be by someone's punch, a pointy stick, or an automobile.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused
Again, it's painfully obvious you've never had to face violence and have absilutely no idea what you're talking about.

Sticks and bats are considered dangerous weapons. People are beaten to death by sticks and bats every day.

I have experience in martial arts competition (low level) as well as street-fighting.

My statement was that a broom stick is about as dangerous as a punch and I stand by it. Ask a martial artist or anyone with the appropriate training. If other hand shapes than the classic punch are included then I would say hands are more lethal due to the possibility of pinpoint striking.

You do not shoot people who attack you with fists and sticks and things.

Amazing. Simply amazing.

You have limited experience in controlled, phony, staged fighting and think you know real violence?

A martial arts competition is not a staged fight, it is a real fight in which knockouts and broken bones are common. I have been in other fights too, but I don't see how it matters. Just think about it: a broom as about the weight of an arm right? about the thickness of a major bone? About as hard as a fist? Probably the bone is stronger in compression. They are pretty much the same thing and would cause similar damage.

In fact I have had a staff broken on my blocking arm before - not that bad really, just some bruising

Ask any cop or security person if a person with a stick is more dangerous than an unarmed person... especially after that person has given you a concussion with said stick.

You can give someone a concussion with your fist too man.

Better yet, go find someone with riot control experience.

This was not a riot, it was a one-on-one. Martial arts experience is much more relevant here than riot control.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uhh... self defense? It was a broken broom handle for crying out loud, couldn't have been more than 4 feet long. He was in someone else's house, houses have exits. Either the cop scares easily and wasn't properly trained to disarm someone, or wasn't thinking clearly from the thwap on the head. From what I've heard, I can't see where firing a weapon was justified.

Hey, how about a test? We'll enter a house I am familiar with, and you are not. I'll proceed to beat you with a stick and see if you can get away.

I'll bet you a months pay I win... if you live.

you're bigger than he is (and pretty much 99% of atot). that wouldn't be a fair fight whatsoever. have a 14 year old hit him with a stick instead.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: waggy
i have been in martial arts for most of my life. I can tell you a stick is far worse then a punch.

Come on man! A broomstick? It would break under hardly any pressure, way before you got real power in it.

You're a martial artist? Good. Can you break a stackof concrete tiles with your fist? Good, I thought so. With a brookstick? Doubt it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uhh... self defense? It was a broken broom handle for crying out loud, couldn't have been more than 4 feet long. He was in someone else's house, houses have exits. Either the cop scares easily and wasn't properly trained to disarm someone, or wasn't thinking clearly from the thwap on the head. From what I've heard, I can't see where firing a weapon was justified.

Hey, how about a test? We'll enter a house I am familiar with, and you are not. I'll proceed to beat you with a stick and see if you can get away.

I'll bet you a months pay I win... if you live.

you're bigger than he is (and pretty much 99% of atot). that wouldn't be a fair fight whatsoever. have a 14 year old hit him with a stick instead.

OK, I'll find a large, football playing 14 year old. I know quite a few in the gym that are almost as big as me.

Oh, if that's the case can I hype the kid up on PCP first?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uhh... self defense? It was a broken broom handle for crying out loud, couldn't have been more than 4 feet long. He was in someone else's house, houses have exits. Either the cop scares easily and wasn't properly trained to disarm someone, or wasn't thinking clearly from the thwap on the head. From what I've heard, I can't see where firing a weapon was justified.

Hey, how about a test? We'll enter a house I am familiar with, and you are not. I'll proceed to beat you with a stick and see if you can get away.

I'll bet you a months pay I win... if you live.

you're bigger than he is (and pretty much 99% of atot). that wouldn't be a fair fight whatsoever. have a 14 year old hit him with a stick instead.

****** i know a few 14yr olds that are huge.

 

[Nebor]

The point is the officer felt in danger of his life, so he shot the kid. I would have done the exact same thing, and so would most other people and police officers.