Boy, 14, Shot and Killed by Police Officer

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
should of shot him in the leg.

you realize that theres just a good of a chance of hiting a vital artery in the leg as there is in the shoulder

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

you = dumb enough to think that a 14 year old breaking a broom handle over an unsuspecting cop's head means that he's got the training and agility with a point stick to out-fight said cop who's trained in combat and disarming combatant people...

Just how much self defense training do you think the average street cop has?

Also, just how effective do you think that training would be against someone who doesn't respond to pepper spray at all?

I find it simply amazing that people here don't believe the cop had the right to defend his life.

are you joking? you don't think a baltimore cop would be trained in self-defense? you don't think they'd train cops how to deal with combative people who don't respond to pepper spray or are high on pcp or drunk?

christ, you're dense.

maybe they don't teach cops how to protect themselves in your backwoods villiage, but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

Even in Los Angeles where I grew up, the mandatory self defense training is only a few weeks total at best.

These guys are no kung fu experts.

And you know what? All the training in the world isn't going to stop an armed drugged up guy who doesn't respond to intense pain.

It's pretty damn obvious you have no idea what it's like to be forced to defend yourself. At best the most experience you have are TV shows and the movies. Well, I hate to tell you, but those are far from real life.

If your opponent will not respond to pain, you have to make him no longer able to attack you. In this case, the officer TRIED non lethal means and that failed.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
should of shot him in the leg.

you realize that theres just a good of a chance of hiting a vital artery in the leg as there is in the shoulder

Not to mention if you aim for the leg under stress, you'll miss and end up dead.

All cops are trained to aim center mass. If you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill. Period.

No leg shots, no head shots, no shooting the gun out of someone's hand. (unless you're a trained sniper with a rifle shooting from many yards away)

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

you = dumb enough to think that a 14 year old breaking a broom handle over an unsuspecting cop's head means that he's got the training and agility with a point stick to out-fight said cop who's trained in combat and disarming combatant people...

Just how much self defense training do you think the average street cop has?

Also, just how effective do you think that training would be against someone who doesn't respond to pepper spray at all?

I find it simply amazing that people here don't believe the cop had the right to defend his life.

are you joking? you don't think a baltimore cop would be trained in self-defense? you don't think they'd train cops how to deal with combative people who don't respond to pepper spray or are high on pcp or drunk?

christ, you're dense.

maybe they don't teach cops how to protect themselves in your backwoods villiage, but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

Must you always post on crack? Even in major cities, police self-defense training is hardly "extensive." Usually it's just a couple of seminars. I know this for fact even, as the martial arts instructor at my gym happens to teach cops at these seminars. Oddly enough, he even brought this up with me recently, complaining how most cops have little to no training in martial arts, or even (in his opinion) sufficient respect for what a properly trained assailant could do to them.
They're cops. Not Bruce Lee or James Bond. This isn't the movies. In real life, if you fsck with a cop, they'll just shoot you and then go home and eat dinner with their families.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

you = dumb enough to think that a 14 year old breaking a broom handle over an unsuspecting cop's head means that he's got the training and agility with a point stick to out-fight said cop who's trained in combat and disarming combatant people...

Just how much self defense training do you think the average street cop has?

Also, just how effective do you think that training would be against someone who doesn't respond to pepper spray at all?

I find it simply amazing that people here don't believe the cop had the right to defend his life.

are you joking? you don't think a baltimore cop would be trained in self-defense? you don't think they'd train cops how to deal with combative people who don't respond to pepper spray or are high on pcp or drunk?

christ, you're dense.

maybe they don't teach cops how to protect themselves in your backwoods villiage, but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

Must you always post on crack? Even in major cities, police self-defense training is hardly "extensive." Usually it's just a couple of seminars. I know this for fact even, as the martial arts instructor at my gym happens to teach cops at these seminars. Oddly enough, he even brought this up with me recently, complaining how most cops have little to no training in martial arts, or even (in his opinion) sufficient respect for what a properly trained assailant could do to them.
They're cops. Not Bruce Lee or James Bond. This isn't the movies. In real life, if you fsck with a cop, they'll just shoot you and then go home and eat dinner with their families.

oh good.... sally chimed in.

no one ever said that the cop was james bond or bruce lee. no one suggested it was a movie. however, i do know for a fact that cops go through training and classes in order to disarm or subdue someone when it's possible. i don't need some $3 haircut chump to tell me what training cops go through when my uncle is a cop. they're taught by martial arts experts and marines to handle situations without shooting their gun because it costs the state and police department lots of money when they have to go to court for this kind of thing... even if the person's innocent.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
should of shot him in the leg.

you realize that theres just a good of a chance of hiting a vital artery in the leg as there is in the shoulder

actually, no. the femoral artery is harder to hit than the subclavian artery. if you shoot someone in the shoulder, they've got a much greater chance of dying than if you shot them in the leg or thigh...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits


no one ever said that the cop was james bond or bruce lee. no one suggested it was a movie. however, i do know for a fact that cops go through training and classes in order to disarm or subdue someone when it's possible. i don't need some $3 haircut chump to tell me what training cops go through when my uncle is a cop. they're taught by martial arts experts and marines to handle situations without shooting their gun because it costs the state and police department lots of money when they have to go to court for this kind of thing... even if the person's innocent.

Obviously the cop was losing if he had a concussion and multiple lacerations on his head.

That should be enough for you... but no.

I wonder why?

 

[The Mailman]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
rofl, you're all idiots...a trained police officer needs to shoot a 14 year old kid with a broom in self defense. Bullshit. Let see when one of your loved ones gets murdered for something like this.

And Mrvile...who the fvck are you to say if someone is wanted or not in our society?

a kid like this is no loss to society.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

you = dumb enough to think that a 14 year old breaking a broom handle over an unsuspecting cop's head means that he's got the training and agility with a point stick to out-fight said cop who's trained in combat and disarming combatant people...

Just how much self defense training do you think the average street cop has?

Also, just how effective do you think that training would be against someone who doesn't respond to pepper spray at all?

I find it simply amazing that people here don't believe the cop had the right to defend his life.

are you joking? you don't think a baltimore cop would be trained in self-defense? you don't think they'd train cops how to deal with combative people who don't respond to pepper spray or are high on pcp or drunk?

christ, you're dense.

maybe they don't teach cops how to protect themselves in your backwoods villiage, but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

Must you always post on crack? Even in major cities, police self-defense training is hardly "extensive." Usually it's just a couple of seminars. I know this for fact even, as the martial arts instructor at my gym happens to teach cops at these seminars. Oddly enough, he even brought this up with me recently, complaining how most cops have little to no training in martial arts, or even (in his opinion) sufficient respect for what a properly trained assailant could do to them.
They're cops. Not Bruce Lee or James Bond. This isn't the movies. In real life, if you fsck with a cop, they'll just shoot you and then go home and eat dinner with their families.

Agreed, you have to be on crack to think that an officer will always be able to disarm an assailant, even with 6 months and extra training in the academy. Especially given that after you get something smashed over your head, you are disoriented and may not even be able to execute what you learned in training. Maybe the younger kid knew martial arts, who knows? My brother was a black belt by age 15 and a lethal weapon. Obviously mace was ineffective, so the firearm was necessary for self defense.

 

[Atheus]

Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

I used to do a lot of martial arts, and I've seen cop training, it's very limited. He should have run away and called for backup if he couldn't disarm the kid. No-one would have gotten hurt.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: eits
oh good.... sally chimed in.

no one ever said that the cop was james bond or bruce lee. no one suggested it was a movie. however, i do know for a fact that cops go through training and classes in order to disarm or subdue someone when it's possible. i don't need some $3 haircut chump to tell me what training cops go through when my uncle is a cop. they're taught by martial arts experts and marines to handle situations without shooting their gun because it costs the state and police department lots of money when they have to go to court for this kind of thing... even if the person's innocent.

Nobody gives a dam about your uncle, he has never been through training where a broomstick was smashed over his head. /thread

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

Hey look, another retard joins the thread!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eits
oh good.... sally chimed in.

no one ever said that the cop was james bond or bruce lee. no one suggested it was a movie. however, i do know for a fact that cops go through training and classes in order to disarm or subdue someone when it's possible. i don't need some $3 haircut chump to tell me what training cops go through when my uncle is a cop. they're taught by martial arts experts and marines to handle situations without shooting their gun because it costs the state and police department lots of money when they have to go to court for this kind of thing... even if the person's innocent.

"sally"? "$3 haircut chimp"?

:roll:

Look, crack addict, I have a reputation on this board as being one of the most anti-authoritarian (and hence, anti-cop) posters here. In fact, most of the real-life cops that post here don't like me too terribly much because they know that usually in cases of police brutality and/or abuse of police powers, I will be the first person to side against the cops. And yet, I'm not doing so here... hmmm... wow... amazing... wonder why?... Maybe because it's pretty fsckin' obvious to all but a crack smokin' retard like yourself that the boy gave the cop no choice here? Nah... couldn't be...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

Hey look, another retard joins the thread!

Personal insults not allowed. Retard is offensive to the mentally ill, don't use it.

 

[PinmasterJay]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

A new idiot enters the thread...

Read the thread before posting stupid responses like this

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

Hey look, another retard joins the thread!

Personal insults not allowed. Retard is offensive to the mentally ill, don't use it.

Your stupidity is an insult to my intelligence.

And, we all know you wouldn't defend yourself if someone broke into your house. You think people should run away. You think firearms are bad.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

you = dumb enough to think that a 14 year old breaking a broom handle over an unsuspecting cop's head means that he's got the training and agility with a point stick to out-fight said cop who's trained in combat and disarming combatant people...

Just how much self defense training do you think the average street cop has?

Also, just how effective do you think that training would be against someone who doesn't respond to pepper spray at all?

I find it simply amazing that people here don't believe the cop had the right to defend his life.

are you joking? you don't think a baltimore cop would be trained in self-defense? you don't think they'd train cops how to deal with combative people who don't respond to pepper spray or are high on pcp or drunk?

christ, you're dense.

maybe they don't teach cops how to protect themselves in your backwoods villiage, but in a major city where there's plenty of crime daily, cops go through pretty extensive training.

Must you always post on crack? Even in major cities, police self-defense training is hardly "extensive." Usually it's just a couple of seminars. I know this for fact even, as the martial arts instructor at my gym happens to teach cops at these seminars. Oddly enough, he even brought this up with me recently, complaining how most cops have little to no training in martial arts, or even (in his opinion) sufficient respect for what a properly trained assailant could do to them.
They're cops. Not Bruce Lee or James Bond. This isn't the movies. In real life, if you fsck with a cop, they'll just shoot you and then go home and eat dinner with their families.

oh good.... sally chimed in.

no one ever said that the cop was james bond or bruce lee. no one suggested it was a movie. however, i do know for a fact that cops go through training and classes in order to disarm or subdue someone when it's possible. i don't need some $3 haircut chump to tell me what training cops go through when my uncle is a cop. they're taught by martial arts experts and marines to handle situations without shooting their gun because it costs the state and police department lots of money when they have to go to court for this kind of thing... even if the person's innocent.

Eits...just shut your mouth already. You are proving yourself to be more and more of an idiot every single post.

1) It takes someone who is not young of age over 1000 repititions to learn a motor function unit to the point where it becomes almost natural. You think cops have that amount of time at the academy to do that?

2) Not all cops wear kevlar. On most departments its optional...and there is a difference between body armor for bullets and stab vests. I've worn both, there is a HUGE difference.

3) Just because your uncle is a cop doesn't mean you know everything about them. Hell, just because I'm a cop doesn't mean I know everything about every department in the USA. What I can tell you is that Amused and Vic are right in 99.9% of cases. If you are willing to stake your intelligence defending a point which is more than likely wrong, be my guest.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Atheus
He should have run away and called for backup if he couldn't disarm the kid. No-one would have gotten hurt.

Logically, that would have been a good option if he wasn't being chased by a raging bull trying to shank him. It's hard to say just how badly his life was in danger to pull out his weapon and shoot, we weren't there so we'll never know what really happened. What we do know is that the mom is a lying sack of crap who claims her son never touched the officer.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

Hey look, another retard joins the thread!

Personal insults not allowed. Retard is offensive to the mentally ill, don't use it.

Your stupidity is an insult to my intelligence.

And, we all know you wouldn't defend yourself if someone broke into your house. You think people should run away. You think firearms are bad.

In the very post you quoted, I said I would defend my house and family. Nice reading comprehension.

I don't think firearms are 'bad' or 'good' I think killing small boys is 'bad'. Don't you?

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

The youth's mother - a state correctional officer - called police to her home in the 300 block of Font Hill Ave. about 9:30 a.m. with a report that her son was assaulting her, according to Lt. Col. Glenn Williams, the department's Area 2 commander.

Taken from the article posted earlier. So beating the crap out of your mom, and then when the cops come to write a report, you proceed to beat the crap out of the cop counts as defending your home now?

Learn how to read, E-thug

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller

Originally posted by: Atheus
Damn coward pig can't fight a little boy with a stick, so he shoots him? WTF? The cop was in _his_ house! He was only defending it, I would defend my house and family too, regardless of a faceful of mace and a meaningless badge.

Hey look, another retard joins the thread!

Personal insults not allowed. Retard is offensive to the mentally ill, don't use it.

Your stupidity is an insult to my intelligence.

And, we all know you wouldn't defend yourself if someone broke into your house. You think people should run away. You think firearms are bad.

In the very post you quoted, I said I would defend my house and family. Nice reading comprehension.

I don't think firearms are 'bad' or 'good' I think killing small boys is 'bad'. Don't you?

The little kid chose his own fate.. atleast now he won't rob me in 10 years.

 

[Atheus]

Listen flamers, I don't the deny the boy is a bad egg, I am meerly saying he is a _boy_ not a man. He is not even legally responsible for his actions, regardless of mental illness, which he supposedly had a history of.

A broomstick is not a lethal weapon, or no more than fists and feet. The cop had time to spray him repeatedly with mace, then aim and fire an accurate shot - he had time to run away.

There is no reason for this kid to die.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Listen flamers, I don't the deny the boy is a bad egg, I am meerly saying he is a _boy_ not a man. He is not even legally responsible for his actions, regardless of mental illness, which he supposedly had a history of.

A broomstick is not a lethal weapon, or no more than fists and feet. The cop had time to spray him repeatedly with mace, then aim and fire an accurate shot - he had time to run away.

There is no reason for this kid to die.

Broomstick is not a lethal weapon? I'm sure if I hit you over the head with a some wood and broke it over your head you'd change your mind.

 

[PinmasterJay]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Listen flamers, I don't the deny the boy is a bad egg, I am meerly saying he is a _boy_ not a man. He is not even legally responsible for his actions, regardless of mental illness, which he supposedly had a history of.

A broomstick is not a lethal weapon, or no more than fists and feet. The cop had time to spray him repeatedly with mace, then aim and fire an accurate shot - he had time to run away.

There is no reason for this kid to die.

Run away?? OK our cops should just let him beat his mother to death I guess

And how is a jagged broomstick not a lethal weapon...

Listen troll, read the fvcking thread

 

[PinmasterJay]

Double post FTL