Box Cutters and Suspicious Notes Found in Plane Lavatories

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Gaard
<<Only a few percent (1-3%) of cargo shipped on commercial jets are screened for bombs, etc. >>

Holy cow! Is that true? No way, it can't be. Timebombs would be common. I'd think they'd be anyways.

Believe it. It's true.

More info on the packages found on airliners. Seems they were there since August!

Box cutter finds prompt nationwide airliner search

Excerpt:

" The discovery of the suspicious items came a day after U.S. officials confirmed that undercover agents, posing as passengers, managed to slip knives and other weapons past security last week at Boston?s Logan Airport.
James Loy, head of the TSA, testified Thursday before the House Transportation and Infrastructure subcommittee on aviation about a lack of equipment and funding to routinely screen airline passengers or their carry-on bags for explosives.
In addition, only 18 or 20 airports will get federal money to permanently install machines that detect bombs in checked baggage, Loy said.
But Loy declined to say how much more he thought the agency needed than the $5.2 billion Congress has set aside this year. That figure includes money for federal air marshals.
?We cannot provide world-class, effective security on the cheap,? Loy said."

 

[BOBDN]

Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

Trolling again, BOBDN?

CkG

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

Trolling again, BOBDN?

CkG

Ignoring the subject and posting BS again CkG?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

Trolling again, BOBDN?

CkG

Ignoring the subject and posting BS again CkG?

Nope - just calling you on your trolling. Whining about Iraq spending isn't ignoring the subject? Hmmm...

Please quit trolling. This topic is just fine and I have nothing to say in regards to it yet because I'm still forming my thoughts about the cost and effect of this development, where as you seem to have once again worked yourself into a tizzy and started to rant about Bush on an unrelated topic.
Do you not think that if Bush proposed spending "hundreds of billions" on the TSA or more airline security that you wouldn't be bitching and moaning? Get a grip.

CkG

 

[daniel1113]

Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

Trolling again, BOBDN?

CkG

Ignoring the subject and posting BS again CkG?

Nope - just calling you on your trolling. Whining about Iraq spending isn't ignoring the subject? Hmmm...

Please quit trolling. This topic is just fine and I have nothing to say in regards to it yet because I'm still forming my thoughts about the cost and effect of this development, where as you seem to have once again worked yourself into a tizzy and started to rant about Bush on an unrelated topic.
Do you not think that if Bush proposed spending "hundreds of billions" on the TSA or more airline security that you wouldn't be bitching and moaning? Get a grip.

CkG

Everyone you disagree with is trolling. Your off subject rants aren't.

Let me try to get this straight.

Iraq spending = hundreds of billions of unnecessary dollars.

Airline security = lack of funding.

The Bush administration managed to find money to invade Iraq unnecessarily, money which is now being used in part to pay Halliburton for price gouging US taxpayers for fuel in Iraq, but they can't find money for security for Americans here at home.

And you call them unrelated. Hmmmm.....

Also, what makes you think you know what I think? If Bush had spent the money on airline security I would support it. In case you haven't noticed I've been supporting more spending on airline security, port security and "homeland security" consistently.

And please stop trying to characterize views you don't agree with as "bitching and moaning." You degrade the discussion.

Just admit it when you're wrong. Don't be Bush.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

Seriously, from the report I read on MSNBC the people who placed these items in the planes did it to highlight the lack of security. Even if that's not accurate these items were placed in planes and undercover agents are still boarding planes with weapons because the Bush administration is mismanaging security in America by trying to do it on the cheap in the wake of September 11 while wasting money on a war in Iraq that was wholly unnecessary.

That's why I'm upset with Bush, not them.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

Trolling again, BOBDN?

CkG

Ignoring the subject and posting BS again CkG?

Nope - just calling you on your trolling. Whining about Iraq spending isn't ignoring the subject? Hmmm...

Please quit trolling. This topic is just fine and I have nothing to say in regards to it yet because I'm still forming my thoughts about the cost and effect of this development, where as you seem to have once again worked yourself into a tizzy and started to rant about Bush on an unrelated topic.
Do you not think that if Bush proposed spending "hundreds of billions" on the TSA or more airline security that you wouldn't be bitching and moaning? Get a grip.

CkG

Everyone you disagree with is trolling. Your off subject rants aren't.

Let me try to get this straight.

Iraq spending = hundreds of billions of unnecessary dollars.

Airline security = lack of funding.

The Bush administration managed to find money to invade Iraq unnecessarily, money which is now being used in part to pay Halliburton for price gouging US taxpayers for fuel in Iraq, but they can't find money for security for Americans here at home.

And you call them unrelated. Hmmmm.....

Also, what makes you think you know what I think? If Bush had spent the money on airline security I would support it. In case you haven't noticed I've been supporting more spending on airline security, port security and "homeland security" consistently.

And please stop trying to characterize views you don't agree with as "bitching and moaning." You degrade the discussion.

Just admit it when you're wrong. Don't be Bush.

Aren't we spending more on airline security than any other time in U.S. history? But of course, it's never enough...

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Meanwhile the Bush administration is spending hundreds of billions of dollars unnecessarily in Iraq.

Trolling again, BOBDN?

CkG

Ignoring the subject and posting BS again CkG?

Nope - just calling you on your trolling. Whining about Iraq spending isn't ignoring the subject? Hmmm...

Please quit trolling. This topic is just fine and I have nothing to say in regards to it yet because I'm still forming my thoughts about the cost and effect of this development, where as you seem to have once again worked yourself into a tizzy and started to rant about Bush on an unrelated topic.
Do you not think that if Bush proposed spending "hundreds of billions" on the TSA or more airline security that you wouldn't be bitching and moaning? Get a grip.

CkG

Everyone you disagree with is trolling. Your off subject rants aren't.

Let me try to get this straight.

Iraq spending = hundreds of billions of unnecessary dollars.

Airline security = lack of funding.

The Bush administration managed to find money to invade Iraq unnecessarily, money which is now being used in part to pay Halliburton for price gouging US taxpayers for fuel in Iraq, but they can't find money for security for Americans here at home.

And you call them unrelated. Hmmmm.....

Also, what makes you think you know what I think? If Bush had spent the money on airline security I would support it. In case you haven't noticed I've been supporting more spending on airline security, port security and "homeland security" consistently.

And please stop trying to characterize views you don't agree with as "bitching and moaning." You degrade the discussion.

Just admit it when you're wrong. Don't be Bush.

Aren't we spending more on airline security than any other time in U.S. history? But of course, it's never enough...

We may be spending more now than ever before but you must realize we are facing threats to airline security we never faced before.

It's not a matter of it's never enough. It's a matter of Bush trying to do it on the cheap while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq on an invasion that wasn't necessary.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

Seriously, from the report I read on MSNBC the people who placed these items in the planes did it to highlight the lack of security. Even if that's not accurate these items were placed in planes and undercover agents are still boarding planes with weapons because the Bush administration is mismanaging security in America by trying to do it on the cheap in the wake of September 11 while wasting money on a war in Iraq that was wholly unnecessary.

That's why I'm upset with Bush, not them.

Well, unless we body cavity search everyone before they enter an airport, employees and passengers alike, you will have leaks such as this. I guess it's the risk we take flying... and Bush only has so much control of it. Personal responsibility and freedom will always be a security breach...

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

Seriously, from the report I read on MSNBC the people who placed these items in the planes did it to highlight the lack of security. Even if that's not accurate these items were placed in planes and undercover agents are still boarding planes with weapons because the Bush administration is mismanaging security in America by trying to do it on the cheap in the wake of September 11 while wasting money on a war in Iraq that was wholly unnecessary.

That's why I'm upset with Bush, not them.

Well, unless we body cavity search everyone before they enter an airport, employees and passengers alike, you will have leaks such as this. I guess it's the risk we take flying... and Bush only has so much control of it. Personal responsibility and freedom will always be a security breach...

There are measures that can be taken to enhance security. Don't try to make it sound impossible. It isn't.

I just heard on MSNBC that leaving play dough on airliners used to be a favorite tactic of airline inspectors.

Point being it's just as easy now to get on board with a weapon as it was before September 11 and that's just wrong.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Corn

Do you understand that?

Of course he doesn't......are you kidding me?

You have to speak very slowly

Cut and paste a lot of opinion (that is opinion he agrees with)

Hit enter 2x after every line

And use lots of words like this: (A$$hole, Lies, Regime, Dittoheads, Illegal, Criminal, Junta, crooks, gouged, sickening, contrived, profiteering, screwed, Americans are stupid, soldiers are stupid, etc.).

Then he might understand if you speak his language. I bet we could even produce a "shizzolater" (I'd call it a "boobolater") with a few good programmers!

You are an ignorant flame bait. Where did you learn your diatribe? From galt?

Diatribe and ignorant. Thanks I missed a few words...

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Corn

Do you understand that?

Of course he doesn't......are you kidding me?

You have to speak very slowly

Cut and paste a lot of opinion (that is opinion he agrees with)

Hit enter 2x after every line

And use lots of words like this: (A$$hole, Lies, Regime, Dittoheads, Illegal, Criminal, Junta, crooks, gouged, sickening, contrived, profiteering, screwed, Americans are stupid, soldiers are stupid, etc.).

Then he might understand if you speak his language. I bet we could even produce a "shizzolater" (I'd call it a "boobolater") with a few good programmers!

You are an ignorant flame bait. Where did you learn your diatribe? From galt?

Diatribe and ignorant. Thanks I missed a few words...

You are truly pathetic.

Why don't you explain to everyone why you oppose enhanced security on airliners in America?

Why you can't admit Bush is wrong when he's wrong. The Bush administration recently CUT the number of airport security personned by 6000!

How do you justify that in light of the weapons that were smuggled on board by inspectors last week at Boston's Logan Airport and the weapons left on airliners since August?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

Seriously, from the report I read on MSNBC the people who placed these items in the planes did it to highlight the lack of security. Even if that's not accurate these items were placed in planes and undercover agents are still boarding planes with weapons because the Bush administration is mismanaging security in America by trying to do it on the cheap in the wake of September 11 while wasting money on a war in Iraq that was wholly unnecessary.

That's why I'm upset with Bush, not them.

Well, unless we body cavity search everyone before they enter an airport, employees and passengers alike, you will have leaks such as this. I guess it's the risk we take flying... and Bush only has so much control of it. Personal responsibility and freedom will always be a security breach...

There are measures that can be taken to enhance security. Don't try to make it sound impossible. It isn't.

I just heard on MSNBC that leaving play dough on airliners used to be a favorite tactic of airline inspectors.

Point being it's just as easy now to get on board with a weapon as it was before September 11 and that's just wrong.

Yes, it's possible to get on board with a weapon, and it always will be.

However, you have no proof that it's just as easy to get on board now then it was before September 11th, so quit making that claim.

There are measures that can be taken to improve airport security, but that doesn't mean that more money is needed; just like the education system in this country could be improved without spending another dime. Money may not be the problem...

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

Seriously, from the report I read on MSNBC the people who placed these items in the planes did it to highlight the lack of security. Even if that's not accurate these items were placed in planes and undercover agents are still boarding planes with weapons because the Bush administration is mismanaging security in America by trying to do it on the cheap in the wake of September 11 while wasting money on a war in Iraq that was wholly unnecessary.

That's why I'm upset with Bush, not them.

Well, unless we body cavity search everyone before they enter an airport, employees and passengers alike, you will have leaks such as this. I guess it's the risk we take flying... and Bush only has so much control of it. Personal responsibility and freedom will always be a security breach...

There are measures that can be taken to enhance security. Don't try to make it sound impossible. It isn't.

I just heard on MSNBC that leaving play dough on airliners used to be a favorite tactic of airline inspectors.

Point being it's just as easy now to get on board with a weapon as it was before September 11 and that's just wrong.

Yes, it's possible to get on board with a weapon, and it always will be.

However, you have no proof that it's just as easy to get on board now then it was before September 11th, so quit making that claim.

There are measures that can be taken to improve airport security, but that doesn't mean that more money is needed; just like the education system in this country could be improved without spending another dime. Money may not be the problem...

I'll keep making the claim because it is true.

Tell the inspectors who boarded flights at Boston Logan last week with weapons it isn't.

If so many things can be improved without spending one more dime why is the Bush administration spending hundreds of billions in Iraq? Doesn't your imprimatur apply in Iraq. Does it apply only here, at home, in the USA?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Corn

Do you understand that?

Of course he doesn't......are you kidding me?

You have to speak very slowly

Cut and paste a lot of opinion (that is opinion he agrees with)

Hit enter 2x after every line

And use lots of words like this: (A$$hole, Lies, Regime, Dittoheads, Illegal, Criminal, Junta, crooks, gouged, sickening, contrived, profiteering, screwed, Americans are stupid, soldiers are stupid, etc.).

Then he might understand if you speak his language. I bet we could even produce a "shizzolater" (I'd call it a "boobolater") with a few good programmers!

You are an ignorant flame bait. Where did you learn your diatribe? From galt?

Diatribe and ignorant. Thanks I missed a few words...

You are truly pathetic.

Why don't you explain to everyone why you oppose enhanced security on airliners in America?

Why you can't admit Bush is wrong when he's wrong. The Bush administration recently CUT the number of airport security personned by 6000!

How do you justify that in light of the weapons that were smuggled on board by inspectors last week at Boston's Logan Airport and the weapons left on airliners since August?

Pathetic! Man you just keep them coming don't you! Priceless...

So now you are a champion of increased security in airlines, is that it? And exactly how is Bush wrong in this? What, pray tell, would be "right"? What's the solution, oh fortune teller? Perhaps we just need to spend more money? Would that fix it? How would you turn 80 years of established red tape government on a dime, great swami? Should we have hired 6,000 more instead? Then you'd be pissing and moaning about the money being thrown away.

That's why everything you say is a joke. Most people look at news, gather the facts, form an opinion. You, on the other hand, form and opinion, look for news to support it, don't find much, so spout more opinion and claim it is fact.

You are nothing more than a poor imitation of a leftist Rush Limbaugh, the one you claim to despise so. Spin Spin Spin. Here's a napkin to wipe the spittle from your chin...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Why is it that everyone is more upset with the Bush administration than the individuals that actually placed these items in the planes? Why don't you all get over your anti-Bush attitude and blame those truly responsible... seriously.

Seriously, from the report I read on MSNBC the people who placed these items in the planes did it to highlight the lack of security. Even if that's not accurate these items were placed in planes and undercover agents are still boarding planes with weapons because the Bush administration is mismanaging security in America by trying to do it on the cheap in the wake of September 11 while wasting money on a war in Iraq that was wholly unnecessary.

That's why I'm upset with Bush, not them.

Well, unless we body cavity search everyone before they enter an airport, employees and passengers alike, you will have leaks such as this. I guess it's the risk we take flying... and Bush only has so much control of it. Personal responsibility and freedom will always be a security breach...

There are measures that can be taken to enhance security. Don't try to make it sound impossible. It isn't.

I just heard on MSNBC that leaving play dough on airliners used to be a favorite tactic of airline inspectors.

Point being it's just as easy now to get on board with a weapon as it was before September 11 and that's just wrong.

Yes, it's possible to get on board with a weapon, and it always will be.

However, you have no proof that it's just as easy to get on board now then it was before September 11th, so quit making that claim.

There are measures that can be taken to improve airport security, but that doesn't mean that more money is needed; just like the education system in this country could be improved without spending another dime. Money may not be the problem...

I'll keep making the claim because it is true.

Tell the inspectors who boarded flights at Boston Logan last week with weapons it isn't.

If so many things can be improved without spending one more dime why is the Bush administration spending hundreds of billions in Iraq? Doesn't your imprimatur apply in Iraq. Does it apply only here, at home, in the USA?

Your argument assumes that the Iraq money would be spent on XXX instead of Iraq. This is just plain wrong. The current Iraq spending has nothing to do with budgeted items of yesteryear. This "spend it here" instead of there argument was deemed a strawman before....especially since all this "deficit spending" whining has come about. How do you rectify your deficit rantings?

Come on BOBDN - don't be a Clinton - tell the truth

CkG

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: BOBDN

And I'd like to point out the Bush administration, while providing plenty of lip service, hasn't taken one damn step to inspect air cargo or luggage which is on the same passenger aircraft.

That's because Senate negotiators dropped the provision from the bill approved by the House

Thanks.

You're admitting the Republic Party controlled House and Senate didn't fund the bill. And Bush didn't bother to ask the party he leads to change it.

You mean the same House and Senate that modified the latest bill against President Bush's wishes?

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: alchemize

So now you are a champion of increased security in airlines, is that it?

Always have been. Do a search. Check my posts.

And exactly how is Bush wrong in this?

Bush is cutting spending and personnel for airline security.

What, pray tell, would be "right"?

Fund airline security.

What's the solution, oh fortune teller?

Get rid of the lying Bush administration ASAP.

Perhaps we just need to spend more money?

Bush is trying to do it on the cheap. Notice the weapons on board. It doesn't work moron.

Would that fix it?

Fund airline security.

How would you turn 80 years of established red tape government on a dime, great swami?

How did the Bush administration turn 227 years of US Constitiutional law in a few months to start an illegal, immoral, unnecessary invasion of Iraq?

Should we have hired 6,000 more instead?

Didn't have to hire 6,000 more, dumbass. Just don't fire the 6,000 already working.

Then you'd be pissing and moaning about the money being thrown away.

As stated above I support funding airline security. I only complain about unnecessary spending as in the illegal, immoral, unnecessary Bush administration invasion of Iraq.

That's why everything you say is a joke. Most people look at news, gather the facts, form an opinion. You, on the other hand, form and opinion, look for news to support it, don't find much, so spout more opinion and claim it is fact.

You are nothing more than a poor imitation of a leftist Rush Limbaugh, the one you claim to despise so. Spin Spin Spin. Here's a napkin to wipe the spittle from your chin...

Go sh!t in your hat you right wing Bush supporting moron.

I can't be a leftist Limpbaugh. I'm not a lying hypocrite junkie.

Here's that napkin. Why don't you suck it clean for me?

And PS, that's not spittle you just swallowed. But hey, it's not the first time for you.

---

Spend a couple of weeks elsewhere, thinking about how to be a little more respectful toward your fellow members.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Go sh!t in your hat you right wing Bush supporting moron.

I can't be a leftist Limpbaugh. I'm not a lying hypocrite junkie.

Here's that napkin. Why don't you suck it clean for me?

And PS, that's not spittle you just swallowed. But hey, it's not the first time for you.

Umm - vacation? OT had to make a rule about comments such as you posted. I'm not sure how they are enforced here though, but I'm pretty sure you didn't post your comments to start a debate on that subject.


CkG

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Go sh!t in your hat you right wing Bush supporting moron.

I can't be a leftist Limpbaugh. I'm not a lying hypocrite junkie.

Here's that napkin. Why don't you suck it clean for me?

And PS, that's not spittle you just swallowed. But hey, it's not the first time for you.

<british accent>I say old chap. Becoming a bit testy, are we?</british accent>

 

[BOBDN]

For CkG, alchemize and burnedout.

I don't take any of your bullsh!t. You attack me I respond in kind.

You have a problem with that go boo hoo hoo to the mods you wussies.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Go sh!t in your hat you right wing Bush supporting moron.

I can't be a leftist Limpbaugh. I'm not a lying hypocrite junkie.

Here's that napkin. Why don't you suck it clean for me?

And PS, that's not spittle you just swallowed. But hey, it's not the first time for you.

Umm - vacation? OT had to make a rule about comments such as you posted. I'm not sure how they are enforced here though, but I'm pretty sure you didn't post your comments to start a debate on that subject.


CkG

Heh let him spew. The redder his face turns, the more the spittle flies, the less logical his arguments, the sillier he looks. Honestly, I think the raving maniac is a good thing. It serves to push moderates like myself and others away from the left.

So here's a Bounty for BOOB to keep that chin clean!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
For CkG, alchemize and burnedout.

I don't take any of your bullsh!t. You attack me I respond in kind.

You have a problem with that go boo hoo hoo to the mods you wussies.

I don't attack you personally. I attack your presentation. I'm sure you're a wonderful person IRL

P.S. Perhaps a lobster bib for the spittle?