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Muadib

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Are they just crap for their price?
If you sat down in a room and watched a movie with expensiev BOSE speakers optimized for that room but you couldn't see, know the brand, woudl you be so bothered by the sound coming out that you'd complain?

No, they would not complain. This is why I've said , I've never gone back and removed or replaced any BOSE system I've ever installed.


Unless they go hear an equivalent priced system in someone elses house that's not BOSE ;)
Exactly!!!

 

NFS4

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My new Mazda 3s GT has a BOSE sound system and I think it sounds great.
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: NFS4
My new Mazda 3s GT has a BOSE sound system and I think it sounds great.
Oh you poor soul. How much was that sound system?
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: NFS4
My new Mazda 3s GT has a BOSE sound system and I think it sounds great.
Oh you poor soul. How much was that sound system?

BOSE car audio systems are not that bad. Note that one of the main problems with their HT systems is they go for style over quality. In the car systems that is not the case. Many audiophiles find their BOSE car systems not bad at all
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: NFS4
My new Mazda 3s GT has a BOSE sound system and I think it sounds great.
Oh you poor soul. How much was that sound system?

BOSE car audio systems are not that bad. Note that one of the main problems with their HT systems is they go for style over quality. In the car systems that is not the case. Many audiophiles find their BOSE car systems not bad at all
Dude, I had a Bose system in my 2000 Tl, it sucked. My buddy has a Maxima with Bose, it sucks, and a coworker has an Audi A4 with Bose, and it sucks.

You could do so much better if you took the car minus the Bose, and added sound later. Most people don't though. They don't want to ruin that "factory" look.:roll:

 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: NFS4
My new Mazda 3s GT has a BOSE sound system and I think it sounds great.
Oh you poor soul. How much was that sound system?

BOSE car audio systems are not that bad. Note that one of the main problems with their HT systems is they go for style over quality. In the car systems that is not the case. Many audiophiles find their BOSE car systems not bad at all
Dude, I had a Bose system in my 2000 Tl, it sucked. My buddy has a Maxima with Bose, it sucks, and a coworker has an Audi A4 with Bose, and it sucks.

You could do so much better if you took the car minus the Bose, and added sound later. Most people don't though. They don't want to ruin that "factory" look.:roll:
Damn, you guys are damn picky! My '95 Camry LE had the standard Toyota 4-speaker audio system and it sounded fine to me. I installed a Kenwood head unit just to have MP3 playback and it still sounded fine to me. I got the BOSE in my 3 and it sounds even better.

I play my music at a reasonable volume and just go with the flow.

As for the person that asked, the BOSE system was standard with the GT trim level.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: sdifox
Actually, you have to be deaf to not hear the 2 gaps in frequency sweep. All home theatre in a box suck, but they don't cost an arm and a leg ( you can keep the blood though) like Bose. I guess that is my biggest beef, crappy sound but premium price.
You do realize that the room plays a great deal in terms of response.
As to "2 gaps in frequency sweep" please describe in detail what you're referring to, and how you derived that conclusion. Feel free to use terms such as boomy, thin, tinny and avoid actual technical data. Be sure to assume that all rooms are furnished the same, walls and floors are always the same density and of the same construction, speakers placed in the same relative positions and generally ignore any room fundamental nodes or areas of comb filtering effects. ;)

No, really all sarcasm aside. describe what you're hearing.
After doing polarity and phase tests, aligning the drivers towards the average ear heights, I 've never bothered with a single tone frequency sweep as it's absolutely of MINIMAL concern with voicing a system. In fact, using a real time analyzer only sees 2 dimensions of what is a 3 dimensional activity. As such, it's data is of limited use.
I watch the SPL meter and look for room nodes, sure, but GENERALLY SPEAKING , most consumers DON"T CARE. If the sofa jiggles a little when the T-Rex is jogging in JURASSIC PARK, or when the shells are landing in Apocalypse Now, it's all good. No one has ever said , "there did you hear that -2 db to - 4db variance between 250 and 700 cycles !?!??" or "Make sure 40 to 160 cycles is'nt overmodulating at the input of the amp, it's sure to thermal if you don't"......

Dude, if you care, you'll take note of things most people (who don't care ) wouldn't otherwise notice.

Obviously the room is the biggest problem in sound reproduction. But we are talking about the speakers, not the consumers or the rooms they get put into. Bose sound tinny to me. And it is not balanced (a bit bi-modal if you ask me). And exactly why would you avoid technical data? A good speakers is supposed to faithfully reproduce signals fed to it. You measure the output, compare to incoming signal, and if it is way off, then you have a sucky speaker.

Material used also play a big part on cost and performance. Cheapass plastic is not a good cabinet material. Paper cones are the worst type of cones you can get. Yet Bose sells these thing that are worse than Radio Shack (ok, The Source now) speakers and cost many times over, that is my problem.
 

Gibson486

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Originally posted by: Legend
I find it amusing that so many people defend a company that sells a poor product at premium prices. People are sheep to marketing.


Like I said, it's not a poor product. If people want to buy the inferior product, let them. It's how Apple gained such a good following. But to call the a piece of crap is going to far.

BTW, thanks for reiterating what i said in my post.
 

Gibson486

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Are they just crap for their price?
If you sat down in a room and watched a movie with expensiev BOSE speakers optimized for that room but you couldn't see, know the brand, woudl you be so bothered by the sound coming out that you'd complain?


It's more the price, and if your use to something that is better for cheaper


exactly...but everyone blows it out of proportion.
 

konakona

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If you need isolation, you should try Ultrasones or some beyers.
I fail to see the point of having isolation so high on the priority list when shopping for a high-end phone intended for home use. I mean, its not like you are gonna take it to the library full of people or whip it out while commuting on a subway.
The general consensus on triports is that they are mediocre at best, and as usual, cost too much for what they are. If you only have lowend stuff like V6 to compare, they may be ok I suppose.
 

konakona

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Are they just crap for their price?
If you sat down in a room and watched a movie with expensiev BOSE speakers optimized for that room but you couldn't see, know the brand, woudl you be so bothered by the sound coming out that you'd complain?


It's more the price, and if your use to something that is better for cheaper


exactly...but everyone blows it out of proportion.
to a certain extent I guess, its not like you wont be able to play any games if you buy intel either. But certainly they are not the best even when money is no object, far from it in fact.
 

Sphexi

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Creepy...I opened this thread, and a commercial for their noise canceling headphones came on the TV.
 

Zim Hosein

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
Creepy...I opened this thread, and a commercial for their noise canceling headphones came on the TV.

I've tried the Bose noise canceling headphones, they are very nice IMO :)
 
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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: Sphexi
Creepy...I opened this thread, and a commercial for their noise canceling headphones came on the TV.

I've tried the Bose noise canceling headphones, they are very nice IMO :)

I have too... and they're not
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: Sphexi
Creepy...I opened this thread, and a commercial for their noise canceling headphones came on the TV.

I've tried the Bose noise canceling headphones, they are very nice IMO :)

Please do more trying. With other brands.
 

Zim Hosein

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: Sphexi
Creepy...I opened this thread, and a commercial for their noise canceling headphones came on the TV.

I've tried the Bose noise canceling headphones, they are very nice IMO :)

Please do more trying. With other brands.

Any suggestions sdifox?
 

adwilk

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Here is the deal with bose.. first of all, somebody find me specs of anything they offer... IE frequency responce, sensitivity,.. these numbers dont exsist. Here is what bose does... They are one of the best marketing companies in the world. They can sell you on a 1000 dollar setup that includes 2 speakers and a sub and call it surround sound. They have accomplished this through phasing, the play certain freqencies out of phase and it sounds like they are coming from somewhere else. You know the saying no highs no lows, must be bose. this is very true. There are a lot of frequencies that dont sound pleasant to the human ear normally. they have to be reproduced very accurately to make sense to the brain. True Hi-fi equipment does this and thats why they are expensive. Bose just avoids this. They dont even try to reproduce those unpleasant frequency peaks, so they sound pleasant, most would say they sound "good" or "great" but thats just not fair to say due to the lack of a truely accurate reproduction. You will not find anything that sounds as pleasing for the same money as their cheaper systems but a true audiophile knows that they are simply "CHEATING".
 

adwilk

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Let me add to that, for those of you saying bose sucks based on sound quality for what they are outputting, you are dead wrong. As inaccurate as they are they produce the sounds they choose to as smoothly as some of the best stuff out there. The actual SPL levels of a given frequency cannot be argued and they really do have one of the most linear sounds available from large retail shops. I could put you in a blind test between bose and many other mid-fi systems and i promise you would want to pick the bose system... put HK or Klipsch on the speakers and "audiophiles" everywhere would buy them up... People hate on Bose out of principal, its the "cool" thing to do in audioland. as an extra though, MONSTER CABLE really is a rip off!
 
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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: Sphexi
Creepy...I opened this thread, and a commercial for their noise canceling headphones came on the TV.

I've tried the Bose noise canceling headphones, they are very nice IMO :)

Please do more trying. With other brands.

Any suggestions sdifox?

ffs zim, just let this die. it's well establish that bose is crap. Try the ATH-A900, Sony MDR-CD3000, the AKG 240S, the Sennheiser HD25-1, Beyerdynamic DT770-80. If you think the QC2 are good because of the noise cancelling, then I won't argue with you. But if you're talking about sound quality, then wow, try any of those. If you like bass, then the HD25-1 and the Beyer DT770-80 has alot