well, if i can't get you into heaven, then i hope you enjoy hell. i hope that you would go to heaven with us though. Pm or email me if you guys would ever like to go to heaven. Jesus is free. maybe i should post this in hot deals...But seriously though, if anyone would like to know more, i'll be more than happy to help you out with any questions about Christianity.
I pity you Isla; you joined a religion that tells you your interests and opinions are incorrect, and is able to do this only because it is more established than other religions.
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-mosdef
lol @ everyone
didn't someone say that they didn't want to start a holy war? Needless to say, it always happens. Religious threads are how I pumped my number of posts up, and subsequently ruined my reputation in the process. :|
I'm what Christianity would call born again. I've learned (like many Christians still need to) that other people don't agree, and that's okay. Good grief.
Satanist, eh? I respect your choice. Have you ever read the biography of Zander Anton Lefabvre (or however you spell that), the head of the Church of Satan?
I have MANY friends who aren't born again. I have some friends who are *gasp* mormon. big deal. Some of my friends are/were satanists. We get along just fine. Actually, we get along very well. As long as they're not strapping pipe bombs to neighborhood cats, I pretty much get along with anyone in real life (believe it or not --probably not, though, with the way I've carried myself around here).
TRP
it's all good, bud.
didn't someone say that they didn't want to start a holy war? Needless to say, it always happens. Religious threads are how I pumped my number of posts up, and subsequently ruined my reputation in the process. :|
I'm what Christianity would call born again. I've learned (like many Christians still need to) that other people don't agree, and that's okay. Good grief.
Satanist, eh? I respect your choice. Have you ever read the biography of Zander Anton Lefabvre (or however you spell that), the head of the Church of Satan?
I have MANY friends who aren't born again. I have some friends who are *gasp* mormon. big deal. Some of my friends are/were satanists. We get along just fine. Actually, we get along very well. As long as they're not strapping pipe bombs to neighborhood cats, I pretty much get along with anyone in real life (believe it or not --probably not, though, with the way I've carried myself around here).
TRP
it's all good, bud.
BiggieN;
Heaven, hell; it's all the same: unsubstantiated speculation -- monsters in the closet.
Heaven, hell; it's all the same: unsubstantiated speculation -- monsters in the closet.
As long as they're not strapping pipe bombs to neighborhood cats
i guess we just can't get along, eh?
i guess we just can't get along, eh?
Oh great, get people to "pretend" to beleive something through a self serving motivation An all powerful god would not be vengeful enough to allow hell to exist. Of course thats just one of the problems...
An all powerful god would not be vengeful enough to allow hell to exist. Of course thats just one of the problems...well, i don't force anyone to listen to my beliefs, you are free to leave at any time. i've actually never talked to anyone that really did not want to be there...i don't follow you around or stalk you or scream at you. i normally just thank you for giving me whatever time you gave me. now, RED DAWN, its not really arrogance, its the truth. We do think we are right and the non-christians are wrong. we are not saying otherwise, in fact i'll say it again. WE ARE RIGHT AND THE NON-CHIRTIANS ARE WRONG. if i go up to you and tell you that bush is gonna win or gore is gonna win, then fine you can tell me shut up and go away, but if i tell you that clinton is president then what? he is the president. no one has to like him or follow him, but he is the president. its kinda the same with christianity. its ok that you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins and you don't accept his gift. i personally won't like you any more or less becasue you choose not to believe.
i don't get anyone into heaven...maybe i should rephrase it. i just tell you where the ticket booth is. you gotta go get your own tickets. Jesus is the only way to get you into heaven. if you feel the urge to attack me personally fine, FFMCOBALT, i have nothing against you, and i have done nothing to you that might cause you to hate me. i'm just wondering why you chose to attack me?
BiggieN - I can prove Bill Clinton is president. Can you prove that Christianity isn't pure bullsh!t?
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BooberN
I didn't attack you. I don't hate you. But, since you took those extreme views, then yes, I think I shall attack you and extremely dislike you.
You're stupid.
I extremely dislike you.
Reguardless if you're a Christian or not, you're still a moron. If you're going to debate, get your facts right and present yourself correctly the first time around.
Even I'VE learned that one.
I didn't attack you. I don't hate you. But, since you took those extreme views, then yes, I think I shall attack you and extremely dislike you.
You're stupid.
I extremely dislike you.
Reguardless if you're a Christian or not, you're still a moron. If you're going to debate, get your facts right and present yourself correctly the first time around.
Even I'VE learned that one.
The person who receives the most electoral votes becomes president until the next election.
Bill Clinton received more electoral votes than any other presidential candidate in the last election.
The next election has not happened yet.
Therefore Bill Clinton is president.
Not very tough... now you go prove that Christianity thing. And please, please don't make me use the words circular logic in my next post. Thanks.
-mosdef
Bill Clinton received more electoral votes than any other presidential candidate in the last election.
The next election has not happened yet.
Therefore Bill Clinton is president.
Not very tough... now you go prove that Christianity thing. And please, please don't make me use the words circular logic in my next post. Thanks.
-mosdef
I find it troubling as well, the way many Christians feel the need to express anger and an expression of their perception of God's wrath when confronted with disbelief.
Using fear and anger is not very representative of what the gospels preach about being Christian. If we are to preach to all nations, fine! Go and preach, but don't use judgement and fear as an incentive to spread the message and share the faith.
Using fear and anger is not very representative of what the gospels preach about being Christian. If we are to preach to all nations, fine! Go and preach, but don't use judgement and fear as an incentive to spread the message and share the faith.
Jesus said that the two greatest commandments were to love the Lord with all of your heart, mind, and soul as well as to love others as as you love yourself(Mark 12:28-31).
Is not this the best way to go? If there is a creator, is not loving him and devoting yourself to him the best way? I don't think that anyone can argue that at the deepest core of our soul, we are selfish beings. Not one of us can ever be totally pure. So, isn't loving others as much as ourselves also the best way, since we are in love with ourselves? We may not be capable fully of this, but is this not something to strive for?
My point is this. We, as Christians are not perfect. Not all of us are going to give off the right vibes all of the time. But the fact remains that what Christ preached is still the best way! Is it an excuse to say that I'm not going to follow Christ because his followers stink? Of course not. Just because his followers aren't perfect, doesn't mean that Jesus Christ should be blamed. Jesus died to save the world and to right the wrong once and for all. Is not that the noblest and most loving of acts?
I would like to end by apologizing if we as Christians have come off harshly towards those who do not actively believe. It is with the greatest conviction that I say that God does love you regardless of how His children come off. I don't want to "shove" my beliefs upon you, but rather I just want to accentuate that Christ is about love of the deepest kind. He doesn't want forced belief, He wants willing belief. I write this to you as a stranger, but a stranger who wants you to know that Jesus is the center of our faith, not the people.
Is not this the best way to go? If there is a creator, is not loving him and devoting yourself to him the best way? I don't think that anyone can argue that at the deepest core of our soul, we are selfish beings. Not one of us can ever be totally pure. So, isn't loving others as much as ourselves also the best way, since we are in love with ourselves? We may not be capable fully of this, but is this not something to strive for?
My point is this. We, as Christians are not perfect. Not all of us are going to give off the right vibes all of the time. But the fact remains that what Christ preached is still the best way! Is it an excuse to say that I'm not going to follow Christ because his followers stink? Of course not. Just because his followers aren't perfect, doesn't mean that Jesus Christ should be blamed. Jesus died to save the world and to right the wrong once and for all. Is not that the noblest and most loving of acts?
I would like to end by apologizing if we as Christians have come off harshly towards those who do not actively believe. It is with the greatest conviction that I say that God does love you regardless of how His children come off. I don't want to "shove" my beliefs upon you, but rather I just want to accentuate that Christ is about love of the deepest kind. He doesn't want forced belief, He wants willing belief. I write this to you as a stranger, but a stranger who wants you to know that Jesus is the center of our faith, not the people.
BullshiitN,
You're the kind that TotalRefectedPower is talking about. You give Christians a bad name.
SHUT THE FVCK UP!
Good god, boy, I'm supposed to be on YOUR side, but you're too much of a pompous ass for even ME to join you.
You're the kind that TotalRefectedPower is talking about. You give Christians a bad name.
SHUT THE FVCK UP!
Good god, boy, I'm supposed to be on YOUR side, but you're too much of a pompous ass for even ME to join you.
Forty or fifty thousand years or so ago, the bicameral brained biped, people, developed speech and the ability to abstract. The experience of pleasure and pain, terror and security combined with language lead to polarity, the notion of good and bad, right and wrong. The new ability to name the bad and attach that meaning to children through punishment and putdowns began the inculcation and perpetuation of self loathing culture. The direct perception of a reality without name (paridise in the Garden of Eden)was replaced by ideas and abstractions of experience, knowledge and shame.
Throughout time, in every place and in every culture there arise individuals who pierce the illusion and lie of culture and discover their own true nature. The words and advise of these few who discover what our culture calls God, form the detritus of religion.
It may be that that those of us who have passed beyond the absurd notion that any one of these myriad paths is the true one and have, therefore, rejected them, all will begin to recognize the communalities that are also manifest, the suggestion that we are and can become more than we think, and begin the serious work on that last unknown fronteer, the psyche of man.
Throughout time, in every place and in every culture there arise individuals who pierce the illusion and lie of culture and discover their own true nature. The words and advise of these few who discover what our culture calls God, form the detritus of religion.
It may be that that those of us who have passed beyond the absurd notion that any one of these myriad paths is the true one and have, therefore, rejected them, all will begin to recognize the communalities that are also manifest, the suggestion that we are and can become more than we think, and begin the serious work on that last unknown fronteer, the psyche of man.
Right on FFMCobalt. I have no problem with people believing in Christianity, but when they preach it as fact when they have no proof nor logic as to such an absurd statement it is very irritating.
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-mosdef
well, i have no problems with personal attacks. i have many faults. i do make mistakes. its ok, cuz i'm not perfect. i'm not pompous. i was just sharing. haha, i totally forgot that this is about relationships. why do i give christians a bad name? i said that you are free to not listen to me at anytime. but since you have asked me to stop talking to you, i will. thank you. i guess i made a mistake in my typing and thought processes for that one post about helping people get into heaven so i am sorry.
I'll let one of your previous posts answer why people said certain things about you...
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