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mosdef

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I think that atheists and agnostics are persecuted far more than any other belief group. Look at how popular Christianity is in this country. God is mention in the pledge of alliegence, on our coins, in almost every sports event someone thanks God, etc etc etc. Agnostics and atheists are widely viewed as heartless, beliefless, anarchists. Don't take this forum as a representation of this country or world.

-mosdef
 

Russ

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<< I also do not think it is very courageous to admit this. >>



In the real world, no. But you cannot possibly read through the threads at this forum and believe that, at least here, it does not take courage.



<< For example, it would be far more courageous to admit belief in one of the many less represented religions, or a cult even. >>



See above comment in reverse. If someone admitted that they were of some esoteric, or less popular faith at this forum, and they were attacked the way Christians are, the PC Police here would be instantly crawling up the attacker's ass.

Russ, NCNE
 

BiggieN

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Red Dawn,

You are taught to believe that non Chistians hate Christians.

I was never taught that. I believe that non-christians have nothing against us at all. Except for the fact that some non-christians feel that Christians are very pushy in their beliefs and force the rest of the world to believe. I wouldn't call it a hate. I would call it an intolerance for both sides.
 

Russ

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<< Man, I hope you are not doing this out of some guilty feeling of not being the Christian you think you should be Russ. >>



Yeah, that's it Red. I responded to your inane, insulting ramblings out of a sense of guilt. I'll give you this: You possess an extraordinary ability to rationalize your actions, no matter how much they degrade and humiliate others.

However, I am concerned that your obvious deep-seated anger that continually manifests itself in any discussion of Christianity, may be eating away at you until someday it possesses you completely, and you deteriorate in to nothing but incoherent gibberish.

I'd estimate that the process is 50% complete.

Russ, NCNE
 

Russ

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<< Man you can be a real prick >>



I am capable only of rising to meet the ability of the opposition.

Russ, NCNE
 

Russ

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<< the sight of blood makes me quesy, especially when it's my own. >>



How could you tell which part of the spillage was yours?

Russ, NCNE
 

UG

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Athanasius;

<...Despite the &quot;language barrier&quot; between myself and people like Red Dawn and UG, I think we have managed to remain civil...>

We probably haven't been using the correct bait. :)


<...I think I have demonstrated many times here why theism in general is by no means irrational...>

Theism, in general, indeed is constructed of elements rationally derived. Where theism is irrational is at its very foundation where one encounters wholesale, unswerving subscription to it's most elemental unprovable: the existance of a divine designer and interventionist -- a conclusion soley based on anecdotal evidences and favored rational inferences.

<...CONCLUSION: personality is seemingly greater than matter...>

<...CONCLUSION: under current scientific paradigms, energy is seemingly greater than matter...>

Two seemingly rational conclusions that fail upon closer examination:

A rock has no personality, it has no brain. A brain is a material construct. It is a host for certain resident, energetic biochemical reactions. Without a brain's biochemical activity and biomaterial components living creatures would have the personality of a rock.

E=MC^2: Energy and matter are differing forms of the same thing; two different sides of the same coin. Matter is energy in congealed form: energy is matter in diffuse form.

Personality arises from a complex interplay between energy's diffuse and congealed forms, each no more or less special than the other. It's all energy. Everything is energy. What gives energy personality is how it oscillates between diffuse and congealed forms; energy is its own DID ( Dissociative Identity Disorder). :).


<...Like a living creature, the plasma regenerated itself and enclosed impurities in a wall much like a living body encloses a foreign substance in a cyst...>

Plasma, and its components, have the personality of a rock. That it/they may have seemingly anthropomorphic properties may be why we definitely do, since we are made of the same energy/material components only in much more complex association.

<...CONCLUSION: Interconnected, mindful order is seemingly greater than individual randomness, though both exist...>

Two sides of the same coin, both equally significant.

<...why is belief in a non-material, universal Mind/Logos so
&quot;weak-minded&quot;?..>

I say toe-may-toe, and you say toe-mah-toe; I say Energy, you say God. My philosophy says I can describe Energy only empirically. Your philosophy says you can describe God anyway you want. My philosophy is the more conservative approach. Your's is the Liberal's weak-minded convenience approach. ;)

<...Is there something intrinsically irrational about presupposing a mind behind the universe?...>

No, but it is to then elevate that presupposition to a special status that effectively causes its confusion with known fact.

:)
 

UG

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<...ALL anger is fear-based...>

Thus why theists are angered when atheists' opposing opinions and preferences are stated, acted upon and defended with fortitude and determination equal to their own: fear?

Belief and faith must be similarly fear-based, thus the clinging death grip on the two commodities.

Call it a working hypothesis. :)
 

gopunk

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the vast majority of born agains that i have either known, talked to, or heard of, are people who were really screwed up earlier. i think religion is good for these types of people, because it brings structure and even happiness into their lives.
 

bunker

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Gopunk, did you see when this was originally posted? I don't think the orignal poster really gives a hoot any more :).
 

gopunk

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<< Gopunk, did you see when this was originally posted? I don't think the orignal poster really gives a hoot any more :). >>



:(

actually, i just posted because i've never been able to post in these old ones before :)