Born Again Christians

[ICyourNipple]

i'm not going to get into the specifics (unless someone asks for it) but i've done a massive amount of research into the subject and i can assure you that the belief of creationism doesn't have a single leg to stand on.

the bottom line is this: THERE IS NO CHRISTIANITY!!!

everyone believes what they want to believe. there are so many factions at this point that instead of christianity we have what i would call "Russism", "Capnism", "Islaism", and "Bobtistism". what it comes down to is the individual accepts the part of the religion they can deal with, and either reject the other parts or become the typical christian hypocrite.

 

[Total Refected Power]

I didn't want to go here but it seems to me that religion is largely cultural, depending on where you were born and live. Somebody born in Pakistan is likely going to have a different view them someone born in Pennsylvania.

 

[Yeeny]

You know, people who are religious hear it just as much as people who are not, as Isla stated in her post. My ex-boyfriend was a Born Again Christian, and I am a Catholic. He knew I adored my father, and tried to endlessly torment me by telling me my father was burning in hell because he was not Born Again before he died. And I have met other Born Again Christians, who I never would have realized what they were until I asked in a conversation. Religious denominations have nothing to do with people saying things like this, its solely the people behind it trying to push their way of life on others.

 

[Russ]

Last time I was at the grocery store, there was a Black female in line paying with food stamps. Therefore, all Black females are on welfare.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Capn]

Noriaki, My earlier "sarcastic" post was more to someone who said something earlier. But thanks anyways. I can accept the views of those who do not agree with me. I'm not some hardcore
"bible thumper." But sometimes the words of those attacking christianity get to me more than they should. I have a very personal conviction, and as much as I'd like everybody to have faith it is their desicion to make and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally I'm more of the kind of person who lives their life the way they think they should and tries to help others. Some people would be surprised to know the percentage of christians who *aren't* the kind that seems to be hated the most. Just my thoughts.

But just on the topic of this thread originally. I can't imagine marrying someone, who wasn't christian. It may happen that I fall in love with someone who isn't but only time will tell. Besides all you nonchristian guys should stay away from christian women (more chances for me hehe )

 

The theory of evolution has it's missing links, too (pun! woo!).

 

[Total Refected Power]

How do you become "Born Again"? What happened to you before this? Do you just proclaim it? DO you believe in a strict constructionist view of the Bible (ie Adam and Eve were real)?

Thanks.

 

[Napalm381]

<< The theory of evolution has it's missing links >>

As opposed to creationism, which has no factual links at all.

 

[Capn]

ICyourNipple, I don't believe in the standard Creationist theory, yet I am christian. Have I trumped your argument? Besides ask any christian what their faith resides on. Money says it *isn't* going to be &quot;my faith is based on the idea that God created the universe and the world as we know it some 6000 years ago in 6 (24hour) days.&quot; If you want to have a serious discussion I am more than happy to do so.

 

[SKiller]

Bobtist


<< You're putting the word &quot;better&quot; in my mouth. I never said &quot;better.&quot; I'm no better than the next guy. Different because my sins are paid for, and yours can be, too. >>


Except that your pov is that being &quot;saved&quot; is prefferable to being a non-believer. This implies that you *are* better. There's no way around it, holding any belief means assuming that those who hold it are better then those who don't.

 

A man named Nicodemus had a similar question, TRP.

Jesus answered him and said this:

&quot;For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Sond of God.&quot;

So it's pretty simple. I see the recurring theme as &quot;Believe.&quot; Once you believe that Christ is who he said he was, you have been born-again.

 

[ICyourNipple]

capn,

you are far from trumping my argument. if you refuse to take this part of the bible literally, then why would you take any other part of it literally? what it gets down to is the bible is just a fairy tale, no better than a religion i could write up with a few drunk friends.

enlighten me then, what is your faith based on? fear of death? inability to think for oneself? clue me in.

 

[Isla]

....which means most Catholics are born again all along, we just make up the Spanish, Italian, and Irish ones...

 

[Total Refected Power]

OK, your Born Again. Then don't you have to follow that up with actions. Grace and humility and love for fellow man. Or is just enough to believe and go on your merry way.

 

[Capn]

Nippleman,
I see you don't want to have a serious discussion, that's ok. But weak flamebait just makes you look the fool.

 

[Total Refected Power]

ISLA's right. If you believe this all along why can't I be &quot;born&quot; just once.

 

Well if you believe in Christ, chances are you would want to follow that up with actions of love towards him... God takes you where you are, but refuses to leave you there.

Addendum about Catholics:

I know lots of born-again Catholics. They often get a bad rap because they are misunderstood, and also because as the largest Christian denomination, they naturally have a larger number of people who are &quot;pew warmers&quot; who just go to church and say they are Catholic even though they believe not. All churches have this, just a per capita relation.

 

[BoberFett]

Nipple

You seem to have completely missed something. Faith is not based on anything. Faith stands by itself, not requiring any justifications.

 

[UG]

Atheists never have to be born again; they get it right, the first time.

Only the confused must re-invent themselves philosophically to suit their specific emotional vulnerabilities. Otherwise, why mess with what 'god' made you in the first place.

Being born again is all about vanity: miraculous re-invention.

Convenient, warm, fuzzy feeling.

 

Oh c'mon, everybody has redefined themselves at one point or another. Remember when Micheal Jackson was cool? Oh yeah. Society redefines itself constantly, but there's been one definition that hasn't changed for millenia.

 

[UG]

boobtit;

Trick &amp; treat. That's what it's all about. Your analysis was pedestrian, at best.

 

[BoberFett]

UG

Hardly. The core of atheists beliefs - that there is no God and the universe is just one colossal mistake - remains. But the atheist belief of the means by which we arrived at the point we are now changes constantly.

 

[Napalm381]

<< But the atheist belief of the means by which we arrived at the point we are now changes constantly. >>

Yes, it changes, due to increased scientific knowledge and FACTS based on logic, evidence, and reasoning. It does not change as much as it is refined.

 

[BoberFett]

Many people are entirely too dependent on logic, evidence, and reasoning. They're crutches along the same lines as blind faith.

 

Oh well, maybe I'm just better at math...

It's all about truth, that's what it comes down to. What is real, and what is not. Fuzzy feelings are kinda' neat, but I don't base my life on an emotion; I get fuzzy feelings when I listen to music, or when I liked that girl in the 6th grade (sweet Jessica). It's a personal thing, you have to look at real evidences and make a decision on what you believe... Even atheists decide at some point, &quot;Hey, I'm an atheist.&quot;

Ok, I'm going to bed. 8:30 comes early (why did I want an 8:30??) Have fun, everyone. Keep it civil.