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[zinfamous]

On another note, my Commando just hit level 23, and his turret is now firing out rockets. Honestly, as a new player to this game, it's hard for me to imagine the other classes being as efficient as Axton when it comes to destroying enemies. The turret is so awesome when leveled up

And it's not even halfway leveled up yet! How do the other classes compare to Axton in terms of efficiency?

gunzerker gunzerker gunzerker...

I got lucky, but....first doc mercy mission and he dropped an Infinity for me. yeah, strange, but it happens. (yeah, it's not a "great" gun...but it sure removes a lot of thinking from the game, especially with Sal ).
So, a Gunzerker gunzerking with Infinty + Heartbreaker or any vladoff TMP + TMP or Rubi + TMp (these are low levels, mind you...)....doesn't compare in normal mode.

talk about laying waste to all that is before you.


even my Legendary Cat siren running around laughing at things, just doesn't compare to the confidence you have with a low level Salvador murdering stuff everywhere you point. (meaning, I never felt that confident with a comparative-level Maya. Sure, first time in maps, probably part of it; but I know that Sal just doesn't die when in perma skill...which is basically what happens by level 22 or so. It's insane. Randy needs to be less of a Sal homer)

I do need to level Axton and see what he does...that turret looks far more fun than the BL1 turret.

Maya doing Digistruct with the Bee-Hawk is, I must say....kinda boring. But it's efficient and it works. so whatthefuckever. kill something in one burst, sub sequence slag something else, dead, sub sequence third target, dead. cool down and move on.

At the very least, it forces you to cover and think...Salvador gets, at the late levels, perma-gunzerking. I can already tell that this is pretty much fucked up from an OP issue. But, it's satisfying and it's fun to watch things fall to the ground as you run around laughing.

Zer0 is great fun mele, but in TVHM, I'm going to switch to Bore for the next several levels--mainly because my mele stuff is vastly underleveled for TVHM, and I'd rather just try a different style rather than gibb everything I have so that I can keep hacking my way to UVHM. bleh.

 

[OCNewbie]

I like my Gunzerker, but I think I had a little more fun with my Psycho/Krieg. And mainly from Bloodsplosion (which I didn't get til lvl 57). It's pretty ridiculously OP, and I guess that's why I love it =) Kill one thing with a melee attack, and literally everything just starts chain exploding until nothing remains in the area. It's also great for invisible or cloaked enemies, as they can't hide from the Bloodsplosion novas. It must be experienced to understand it =)

 

[zinfamous]

I like my Gunzerker, but I think I had a little more fun with my Psycho/Krieg. And mainly from Bloodsplosion (which I didn't get til lvl 57). It's pretty ridiculously OP, and I guess that's why I love it =) Kill one thing with a melee attack, and literally everything just starts chain exploding until nothing remains in the area. It's also great for invisible or cloaked enemies, as they can't hide from the Bloodsplosion novas. It must be experienced to understand it =)

Aye--that's the problem with the mele zer0.

I don't even have Krieg unlocked, but zer0 isn't all that great until TVHM, particularly if you want to go mele.

Many Must Fall is fucking amazing, but it takes one playthrough to unlock...and it's fun for a few levels after that, but without "glitches" and golden keys (well, you better glitch those keys, too), it isn't nearly as good until you also get deep into the middle tree....
(and Gearbox has since nerfed Kunai/Deathmark effect, so I hear? I don't quite get what has happened as I am also late to the game--I think it's now one target vs all targets; so this sucks ass for multiplayer, obviously, but not sure how it effects single player)
but Zer0, I think, is one of those classes where you trait various builds as you level to figure out which style works best for you.

I went into Zer0 wanting to do sniper stuff, got bored quickly and focused on a mele build, which surprisingly to me, kicked ass until several levels into TVHM, then suddenly became ineffective (underleveled gear).
I'm now respeccing to sniper, I think, to fill out some skill points until I get back into the Deception/stabby stabby frame of mind with Zer0....

 

[Carfax83]

gunzerker gunzerker gunzerker...

I got lucky, but....first doc mercy mission and he dropped an Infinity for me. yeah, strange, but it happens. (yeah, it's not a "great" gun...but it sure removes a lot of thinking from the game, especially with Sal ).
So, a Gunzerker gunzerking with Infinty + Heartbreaker or any vladoff TMP + TMP or Rubi + TMp (these are low levels, mind you...)....doesn't compare in normal mode.

Yeah, I've heard Salvador is ridiculously powerful, perhaps even over powered due to gunzerking. Personally, I hate that. I want the game to be challenging and not a cake walk.

That's what I like about Axton. He's very strong, but you have to be tactical to use him effectively. You can't really just brute force your way through things unless you're up against low level enemies.

Or that's been my experience so far. I think I'm going to try Maya next though..

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, I've heard Salvador is ridiculously powerful, perhaps even over powered due to gunzerking. Personally, I hate that. I want the game to be challenging and not a cake walk.

That's what I like about Axton. He's very strong, but you have to be tactical to use him effectively. You can't really just brute force your way through things unless you're up against low level enemies.

Or that's been my experience so far. I think I'm going to try Maya next though..

yeah, you can't "cheat" with Maya, either. If you have experience with BL1 and Lilith...just be aware that these sirens are very, very different.

Maya is my main as far as things go, but from my experience and from what I've only now been reading on the various forums, she really only becomes powerful with the upgrade pack 2 and the newer legendary mods...and the "semi-broken" Bee-Hawk builds :\

Phaselock is no Phasewalk, that's for sure, but if you trait it well enough at the end levels, it is quite powerful.

She has problems in that the entire Cataclysm tree is mostly useless (and this is true in UVHM) until Reaper and Ruin, very late in the tree. Both of these skills are incredible, mind you...but getting there eats up a lot of points on top of being "required" to play Siren in BL2. Regardless, it's worth it--even in UVHM.
I feel that the Motion tree has better balanced skills all around and are essentially inescapable for any good Maya build.

The most important skill in Harmony is Wreck--and you always have to have it, regardless of build. Even solo. Further, Sweet Release and the other self healing skills in Harmony are generally worthless if you are playing solo, at any level....just get used to self-healing with Rubi or Grognozzle.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Maya starts out weak compared to Axton and Gaige, but started working for me around 16-18 when I had a 2-3 of points in the life orb skill and I forget what else (lock duration?). Killing locked enemies is the main way for her to regain health.

Further, Sweet Release and the other self healing skills in Harmony are generally worthless if you are playing solo, at any level....just get used to self-healing with Rubi or Grognozzle

I didn't find this to be true for playthrough 1, but I haven't done TVHM or UVHM with her yet.

 

[zinfamous]

Maya starts out weak compared to Axton and Gaige, but started working for me around 16-18 when I had a 2-3 of points in the life orb skill and I forget what else (lock duration?). Killing locked enemies is the main way for her to regain health.



I didn't find this to be true for playthrough 1, but I haven't done TVHM or UVHM with her yet.

just stick a Rubi or Heartbreaker in one of her weapons slots for health regen.

The real problem with Maya is that she has so many awesome skills, and all of the awesome skills dependent on real phaselock to activate, while bosses and other elite mobs are immune to phaselock.

basically....it's a steaming pile of shit in the current build. Sal is permabuff while every other class gets nerfed to some degree. it makes no sense...

 

[frozentundra123456]

just stick a Rubi or Heartbreaker in one of her weapons slots for health regen.


The real problem with Maya is that she has so many awesome skills, and all of the awesome skills dependent on real phaselock to activate, while bosses and other elite mobs are immune to phaselock.

basically....it's a steaming pile of shit in the current build. Sal is permabuff while every other class gets nerfed to some degree. it makes no sense...

Yea, I agree, you can't use phaselock when you need it the most. Also the corrosive cloud bonus damage is great in the first play through, but at higher levels so many enemies are immune to it. I got through THHM with Salvador, and he seemed by far the most powerful, but UVHM is getting tough really quickly. I would like to finish UVHM with one character at least solo, but I am not sure it is worth it. The enemies have so much health, strong shields, health regen, that it is really frustrating.

 

[zinfamous]

Yea, I agree, you can't use phaselock when you need it the most. Also the corrosive cloud bonus damage is great in the first play through, but at higher levels so many enemies are immune to it. I got through THHM with Salvador, and he seemed by far the most powerful, but UVHM is getting tough really quickly. I would like to finish UVHM with one character at least solo, but I am not sure it is worth it. The enemies have so much health, strong shields, health regen, that it is really frustrating.

I got through all of the DLC in UVHM, having started it at about level 55 with Maya. Now late in the main campaign (Boneyard), I've got enemies at OP level 2 right now and I'm not really having any problems.

As long as you slag everything it should be no problem. Of course, that Legendary Cat mob is rather insane...

 

[you2]

weird; i've only played two characters to mid level 40; maya and axton (siren, assassin) and now you're telling they are the weakest characters
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I couldn't kill the dragons in tiny's dlc (the one after you finsih the main quest) or that invicibal what his name monster. Maybe they are killable with another character ? Also I'm not so sure my builds are that great (on top of being weak to begin with) but my axton is definitely stronger than maya (mostly because equipment is way better for some reason - nearly all his guns are 2x maya (shotgunt hat does 30k damage; snipper that has scope and does 5k; pistole that does 4k); either my maya was very unlucky or my assasin was very lucky.

 

[bguile]

weird; i've only played two characters to mid level 40; maya and axton (siren, assassin) and now you're telling they are the weakest characters
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I couldn't kill the dragons in tiny's dlc (the one after you finsih the main quest) or that invicibal what his name monster. Maybe they are killable with another character ? Also I'm not so sure my builds are that great (on top of being weak to begin with) but my axton is definitely stronger than maya (mostly because equipment is way better for some reason - nearly all his guns are 2x maya (shotgunt hat does 30k damage; snipper that has scope and does 5k; pistole that does 4k); either my maya was very unlucky or my assasin was very lucky.

Axton's average. He can be really good if you use explosive weapons and pick the right skills. Of the original 4, I think he is the one that they got 'right' as far as skill tree and action skill. He is not too weak, nor too powerful. There's not alot to him, pretty much just toss out your turret for a distraction and shoot the bandits.

Imo, if you threw out all the red text items, axton could still get by ok, at least till uvhm. Thats not including any invincibles though.

 

[you2]

My fault - i do not have axton; i have zero (the assassin). I think someone mentioned axton above. So my two characters are zero and Maya.

Axton's average. He can be really good if you use explosive weapons and pick the right skills. Of the original 4, I think he is the one that they got 'right' as far as skill tree and action skill. He is not too weak, nor too powerful. There's not alot to him, pretty much just toss out your turret for a distraction and shoot the bandits.

Imo, if you threw out all the red text items, axton could still get by ok, at least till uvhm. Thats not including any invincibles though.

 

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[frozentundra123456]

weird; i've only played two characters to mid level 40; maya and axton (siren, assassin) and now you're telling they are the weakest characters
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I couldn't kill the dragons in tiny's dlc (the one after you finsih the main quest) or that invicibal what his name monster. Maybe they are killable with another character ? Also I'm not so sure my builds are that great (on top of being weak to begin with) but my axton is definitely stronger than maya (mostly because equipment is way better for some reason - nearly all his guns are 2x maya (shotgunt hat does 30k damage; snipper that has scope and does 5k; pistole that does 4k); either my maya was very unlucky or my assasin was very lucky.

Any of the raid bosses are very difficult to kill at the appropriate level in single player unless you have exceptional equipment and skill. I did go back and kill the dragons single player in normal mode with a level 53 character just for kicks. It was fairly easy when overlevelled that much. Of course the loot is worthless for that character, but I got a ton of eridium.

 

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[Hopeless]

Finally got Maya and Sal to 50 using the smasher glitch, Zero is just going to have to wait. I gave UVH a spin last night with Sal. The enemys really do soak up the bullets.

Running infinity pistols and at times swapping off hand gun to slag rubi. I've read that a lot of people use the Sher badge but I just can't give up my 50% vitality relic. With it, 1 point in hard to kill boosted from class mod and adaptive shield have a bit over 100k HP. Ran a few of the missions for Hammerlock, skipping the bad fur as there is no way I plan on getting close enough to melee at this point. Got real close to going down a few times but managed to stay out of fight for you life.

Sal regens hp while gunzerking, does anyone know if this a flat number or % of max hp?

I do need to level Axton and see what he does...that turret looks far more fun than the BL1 turret.

I like the turret better in BL2. In BL1 I would tend to save it until I thought I really needed it to the point of forgetting to even toss it out. In BL2 you can pick it back up and how much time it had left is applied to the cooldown.

I went Double Up and Longbow. At times I'd toss it places to try to keep it safer from attack but it would end up in a place I couldn't retrieve it.

 

[zinfamous]

weird; i've only played two characters to mid level 40; maya and axton (siren, assassin) and now you're telling they are the weakest characters
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I couldn't kill the dragons in tiny's dlc (the one after you finsih the main quest) or that invicibal what his name monster. Maybe they are killable with another character ? Also I'm not so sure my builds are that great (on top of being weak to begin with) but my axton is definitely stronger than maya (mostly because equipment is way better for some reason - nearly all his guns are 2x maya (shotgunt hat does 30k damage; snipper that has scope and does 5k; pistole that does 4k); either my maya was very unlucky or my assasin was very lucky.

I wouldn't call Maya the weakest character, especially now with her new Legendary mods with upgrade pack 2. both the Cat and the Binder mods--especially the Cat--seem to be the best upgrade given to all characters.

You can make a glass cannon Maya that melts things, even at OP8. It's quite a sight to see. I suppose Sal is still a great DPS+Survivability build, but Maya is still quite good. Her problem is that her action skill is definitely obsolete by some game situations (single targets that are immune to locking)--yes, this is indeed a problem, but doesn't completely break her. The reality is that if you could phaselock a boss, or at least trigger wreck on bosses, everyone would complain that she is OP :\

The other lingering problem is that the Cataclysm tree is mostly useless in UVHM due to high elemental resistence from mobs. Reaper, very deep in the tree, and ricochet remain must-have skills, as well as Ruin. So you're basically stuck spending about 10 points on skills that you could do without.

 

[zinfamous]

Any of the raid bosses are very difficult to kill at the appropriate level in single player unless you have exceptional equipment and skill. I did go back and kill the dragons single player in normal mode with a level 53 character just for kicks. It was fairly easy when overlevelled that much. Of course the loot is worthless for that character, but I got a ton of eridium.

you can also easy farm bunk3r at any level, hoping to get a Bitch that he never drops...but at least you get tons of eridium, as well as a good bit of very good purple loot.

 

[BlueWeasel]

I just started playing BL2 seriously (even though I've had it since release) and wanted to focus on a Zer0 sniping/assassin. Only level 12, and while my critical hits are decent, his deception skill seems....not very good.

I'll mainly be playing solo. Am I going with a gimped build? Was thinking about trying Maya.

If you've got some awesome low level equipment, let me know.

 

[zinfamous]

I just started playing BL2 seriously (even though I've had it since release) and wanted to focus on a Zer0 sniping/assassin. Only level 12, and while my critical hits are decent, his deception skill seems....not very good.

I'll mainly be playing solo. Am I going with a gimped build? Was thinking about trying Maya.

If you've got some awesome low level equipment, let me know.

You can focus on Bloodwhatever--the right tree all the way through your first playthrough and it is very powerful.

Once you get Many Must Fall, Deception is the tits--as long as you focus on mele: relics and Ninja mods and guns that boost mele damage--basically, learn to switch to your mele gun as soon as you go into deception.

I did find, however, that in TVHM, that build is difficult with underleveled gear. I'm now doing the same sniper/mele hybrid as you are considering, but only until I get enough skill points to pump them all into the 2 mele trees. You will want to use mele shields, which means shields that get their benefit when they are down. SO guns that steal health (Rubi) and that skill that does the same are very helpful.

late in any playthrough, the Law and Order combo that you get from 2 easy quests in Sanctuary make mele easy with Zero. There are better options for this kind of build later in the game--like a High level Love Thumper that stays down most of the time and gives much better roid damage, with a Rapier (200% mele damage) or Rubi, for example.

For a while, anyway, the pure mele Zer0 is/was? one of the highest single target damage builds--Gearbox recently nerfed his Kunai, but my Zer0 isn't high enough (38) to really get a feel for what happened, or what it was like before....I think Death mark can only be applied on one target at a time now, making the Kunai spam less of a damage dealer when backstabbing mob to mob while in Deception. Gearbox also claims that was a mistake, apparently, and claim that this will be fixed?

 

[zinfamous]

Sal regens hp while gunzerking, does anyone know if this a flat number or % of max hp?

IIRC, there is a single burst as soon as you activate the skill where you restore full health, and nothing after that. This is just Gunzerking, alone.

There is a skill, though, that will restore x% HP/second of gunzerking for each level you invest.

Most seem to opt for a Rubi or Grognozzle in the offhand in many situations to keep health up, though...so whatever skill you can invest in isn't enough. Or, rather, it isn't worth the points that would be better invested in his rampage tree when you already have some gun options that will keep your red bar up simply for holding them.

For first playthrough, I've been running with an Infinity + Heartbreaker combo which is quite nice. I was lucky to get that Infinity on the Dr Mercy mission, but it's not that great--I like that it keeps bullets flying, but it's just not accurate enough for my tastes.

 

[OCNewbie]

IIRC, there is a single burst as soon as you activate the skill where you restore full health, and nothing after that. This is just Gunzerking, alone.

When you activate Gunzerking you regain 50% of your maximum hp's, then you do regen some health. I'm not sure what the value on that regen is though. You also regen ammo (for all ammo types (other than rockets), not just the weapon type(s) you currently have equipped). Oh, and you gain 50% damage reduction too (which ends up being like 33% less damage taken).

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Gunzerking

 

[DaveSimmons]

For first playthrough, I've been running with an Infinity + Heartbreaker combo which is quite nice. I was lucky to get that Infinity on the Dr Mercy mission, but it's not that great--I like that it keeps bullets flying, but it's just not accurate enough for my tastes.

Do you keep the mission weapon and never turn it in, or is that some kind of rare drop?

The mission reward is always a singe or double dart fire pistol.

 

[OCNewbie]

Do you keep the mission weapon and never turn it in, or is that some kind of rare drop?

The mission reward is always a singe or double dart fire pistol.

Rare drop

 

[zinfamous]

Do you keep the mission weapon and never turn it in, or is that some kind of rare drop?

The mission reward is always a singe or double dart fire pistol.

nah, that is just the rare legendary that he will drop. Yep: the mission reward is always that Dart variant. I hate those, so I always sell it.

He just happened to drop the Infinity when I killed him...which means I've killed him 6 times now through my various playthroughs (never farmed him--didn't even realize he drops Infinity).

Now, if only that fuckhole Bnk3R would drop a goddamn Bitch! I have killed that thing at least 40 times now, not one Legendary drop.

Oh! ...but it did drop an OP8 Slayer for me (the Pearlescent Vladof pistol). Seriously...not one Bitch after 40 kills but I do get a Pearlescent, which has equal drop from any mob? wtf....

Actually, that Slayer would have made me happier if I had not just gotten one from one of the Eridium chests in Digistruct. ....just after killing end Boss which always drops a Pearlescent at OP 8 (I got the bandit rifle)....so 2 pearlescents in one "run."

...by Digistruct "run" I mean--glitching through the wall at the beginning to just fight the end boss. :sneaky: