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Blackjack200

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the last 8 years of foreign policy are a complete disaster, and no better than the 8 before that as far as i can see. Nothing has been done but poke at the problems we face, either finish the job swiftly or quit poking.

While Obama cannot escape blame, I don't see how you can put him and Bush on equal footing WRT foreign policy. Bush initiated a war of aggression against a sovereign nation. That's among the worst crimes the head of a state can be guilty of.
 
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While Obama cannot escape blame, I don't see how you can put him and Bush on equal footing WRT foreign policy. Bush initiated a war of aggression against a sovereign nation. That's among the worst crimes the head of a state can be guilty of.
What about Libya? How soon we forget.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that, I can remind you. The US (along with the rest of the coalition) intervened in a civil war there. It did not initiate.
Then I guess it was OK since we didn't technically "initiate" a war of aggression against a sovereign nation...it was already initiated...we just made damn sure of the eventual winner and now own the result...a failed State with massive human suffering. But hey...that's somehow fundamentally different than actually "initiating" a war of aggression against a sovereign nation.

The way you think never ceases to amaze me.
 

umbrella39

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right but from the seeds of the iraq debacle came.... I'll let you fill in the blank

I see that and raise this: ISIS’s precursor, Al-Qaeda in Iraq, emerged in 2004 to resist the American occupation. Led by Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian, the group consisted of Sunnis, many of them disgruntled former Iraqi soldiers left without paychecks after the Bush administration disbanded the Iraqi army.

ISIS was created by the Iraqi coalition authority, which ousted the entire government of Iraq. It was when 30,000 individuals who are part of the Iraqi military were forced out. They had no employment, they had no income, yet they were left with access to all the same arms and weapons."

The Bush administration's mismanagement of Iraq encouraged thousands of skilled Iraqis to take their expertise to the anti-American insurgency that eventually became the Islamic State.
 

agent00f

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I agree that Iraq was huge mistake. Afghanistan as well imo.

And now that Iraq is starting to get it's act together...Libya has become the new shithole we created that destabilizes the Middle East. While I agree that you can't 'bomb an idea' per se...you can certainly bomb an infrastructure that's highly effective and actively promoting such ideas...especially those with ideas that actually threaten our national security.

But without enough dead browns for the OP types to cheer, how will all-important white welfare be justified?
 

John Connor

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Dude. My uncle is from Egypt, okay. So let me quote myself so that you can understand because your far-left ideology is clouding your better judgement.


Pssst. Your ignorance is showing.
 

agent00f

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Dude. My uncle is from Egypt, okay. So let me quote myself so that you can understand because your far-left ideology is clouding your better judgement.

How does his position on the conservative ethnic class totem make you feel?
 

John Connor

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raildogg

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America has to be the world's worst imperial empire that they cannot defeat the mythical al-qae, I mean ISIS pickups. What a joke. They spend a trillion dollars on their military and cannot defeat al-qae, I mean ISIS with a bunch of pickups with scary black flags on them.

LOL
 
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Dude. My uncle is from Egypt, okay. So let me quote myself so that you can understand because your far-left ideology is clouding your better judgement.

You have an uncle from Egypt. Wow! When does Trump make you a presidential advisor on the Mid East?