Bombs away!

[John Connor]

huh i wonder if that really necessary? there's gotta be a crapload of us military resources in the mediterranean

That's where the B-2 is stationed and along the way they are are aerial refueled.

 

[OutHouse]

what good is a noble peace prize if you cant bomb someone?

yea that was a solid back eye to the Nobel people. Obama gave a few speeches and BOOM they gave him a nobel prize... WTF?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960

 

[John Connor]

Well, to be fair, Obozo couldn't have possibly given Joe Blowhard a medal if he didn't have a Peace Prize.

 

[OutHouse]

huh i wonder if that really necessary? there's gotta be a crapload of us military resources in the mediterranean

There are but using the B2 sent a message to Russia and China. plus the crews need some practice. thanks ISIS!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Let's not forget Trump's plans:

"I will quickly and decisively bomb the hell out of ISIS, will rebuild our military and make it so strong no-one -- and I mean, no one -- will mess with us."

"I would bomb the s*** out of them."

If we're going to do it...I prefer to eradicate them completely rather than dick around. If it takes our ground troops to get it done...then so be it...as repulsive as that is to me. This problem should NEVER have gotten so big. Just one more Obama shit sandwich for Trump to handle.

 

[IronWing]

If we're going to do it...I prefer to eradicate them completely rather than dick around. If it takes our ground troops to get it done...then so be it...as repulsive as that is to me. This problem should NEVER have gotten so big. Just one more Obama shit sandwich for Trump to handle.

Very dangerous, you go first.

Obama asked for additional authorization to go after ISIS. Congress didn't provide that authorization.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If we're going to do it...I prefer to eradicate them completely rather than dick around. If it takes our ground troops to get it done...then so be it...as repulsive as that is to me. This problem should NEVER have gotten so big. Just one more Obama dubya shit sandwich for Trump to handle.

ftfy

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If that is the case, I do hope the outrage perks up under Trump. I am repulsed by American meddling in the Middle East.

I am as well...right up until our national security is actually affected.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

ftfy

ISIS didn't exist during Bush's administration...surely you know this.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

ISIS didn't exist during Bush's administration...surely you know this.

right but from the seeds of the iraq debacle came.... I'll let you fill in the blank

 

[crashtech]

Bombing can't destroy terrorist's most effective weapon, which is fear. I think Western civilization has pretty much become so risk-averse that terror attacks are becoming a more effective psychological weapon every year. It doesn't matter how many bombs are dropped. Our true enemy is our own fear, and it's going to be our downfall unless some kind of paradigm shift occurs.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Very dangerous, you go first.

Obama asked for additional authorization to go after ISIS. Congress didn't provide that authorization.

There's a hell of a lot more to this story and I don't have the time to get into it except to link the following:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nst-the-islamic-state/?utm_term=.c437de024560.

 

[OutHouse]

If we're going to do it...I prefer to eradicate them completely rather than dick around. If it takes our ground troops to get it done...then so be it...as repulsive as that is to me. This problem should NEVER have gotten so big. Just one more Obama shit sandwich for Trump to handle.

we bomb let the other countries send in the ground forces.

 

[IronWing]

There's a hell of a lot more to this story and I don't have the time to get into it except to link the following:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nst-the-islamic-state/?utm_term=.c437de024560.

If Congress cannot find the political will to authorize an expanded war against ISIS then the President should not engage in one.

Note: I think Obama has already grossly overstepped his Constitutional authority in the war on ISIS and that Congress should have long ago asserted its Constitutional authority in deciding when this country goes to war. But I've thought that about every war we've engaged in my lifetime.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

right but from the seeds of the iraq debacle came.... I'll let you fill in the blank

Yeah...he should have known that ISIS was going to happen! ...as you give Obama a complete pass for not recognizing their threat despite the all the concerns expressed by intelligence and the military. What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

we bomb let the other countries send in the ground forces.

I'm OK with that...if we can pull it off.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah...he should have known that ISIS was going to happen! ...as you give Obama a complete pass for not recognizing their threat despite the all the concerns expressed by intelligence and the military. What color is the sky in your world?

No, I am not giving obama a pass on letting isis fester and grow, however, to lay blame solely at obama is naive and historically inaccurate.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If Congress cannot find the political will to authorize an expanded war against ISIS then the President should not engage in one.

Note: I think Obama has already grossly overstepped his Constitutional authority in the war on ISIS and that Congress should have long ago asserted its Constitutional authority in deciding when this country goes to war. But I've thought that about every war we've engaged in my lifetime.

Actually, I agree with you 100%. But the ISIS authorization was more of a political maneuver than anything. Lack of authorization for Libya didn't seem to bother him in the slightest. Obama knows how the game is played and he's very good at it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No, I am not giving obama a pass on letting isis fester and grow, however, to lay blame solely at obama is naive and historically inaccurate.

The vast majority of the blame is on Obama's doorstep for not recognizing the threat despite all the warnings given to him over the years. And for you to blame Bush for a group that formed years after his administration ended and with zero mention of Obama's role is pure deflection from the actual facts and horseshit revisionism.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The vast majority of the blame is on Obama's doorstep for not recognizing the threat despite all the warnings given to him over the years. And for you to blame Bush for a group that formed years after his administration ended and without any mention of Obama's role is pure deflection from the actual facts and horseshit revisionism.

I doubt we'll see eye to eye on this. I was/am/will always be/ against the iraq war, and I believe that many of our current situations in the middle east stem from that clusterfuck. You see it as something that was already happening and obama should have laid waste to it. I don't disagree with the second part, however, how do you bomb an idea? isis has no central location, no 'head of the snake' if you will.
cells are popping up globally, should we bomb san bernadino because there was an active threat there?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I doubt we'll see eye to eye on this. I was/am/will always be/ against the iraq war, and I believe that many of our current situations in the middle east stem from that clusterfuck. You see it as something that was already happening and obama should have laid waste to it. I don't disagree with the second part, however, how do you bomb an idea? isis has no central location, no 'head of the snake' if you will.
cells are popping up globally, should we bomb san bernadino because there was an active threat there?

I agree that Iraq was huge mistake. Afghanistan as well imo.

And now that Iraq is starting to get it's act together...Libya has become the new shithole we created that destabilizes the Middle East. While I agree that you can't 'bomb an idea' per se...you can certainly bomb an infrastructure that's highly effective and actively promoting such ideas...especially those with ideas that actually threaten our national security.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I agree that Iraq was huge mistake. Afghanistan as well imo.

And now that Iraq is starting to get it's act together...Libya has become the new shithole we created that destabilizes the Middle East. While I agree that you can't 'bomb an idea' per se...you can certainly bomb an infrastructure that's highly effective and actively promoting such ideas...especially those with ideas that actually threaten our national security.

ok, well thank you for having a constructive dialogue about it. It's refreshing, tbh.

 

[herm0016]

We have been bombing the shit out of ISIS for a year or more. They have lost control of a lot of territory but history has shown (over and over) that bombing alone will never win a war, especially a guerrilla war.

Meanwhile next to nothing has been done to usher out the partisan, corrupt government currently ruling Iraq and damn little has been done to stop our allies (Turkey) from attacking our allies (the Kurds).

We pretty much have reached the worst case scenario many talked about when GWB invaded Iraq at the start of Bush War II. The Middle East is going to be in flames and in misery for decades, and the vast majority of the population will blame the USA for it.

OTOH The Donald repeatedly said he would wipe out ISIS in two weeks using his secret plan, so I could be wrong.

the last 8 years of foreign policy are a complete disaster, and no better than the 8 before that as far as i can see. Nothing has been done but poke at the problems we face, either finish the job swiftly or quit poking.

 

[John Connor]

Bombing can't destroy terrorist's most effective weapon, which is fear. I think Western civilization has pretty much become so risk-averse that terror attacks are becoming a more effective psychological weapon every year. It doesn't matter how many bombs are dropped. Our true enemy is our own fear, and it's going to be our downfall unless some kind of paradigm shift occurs.

A few tons of bombs a day keeps the terrorists away and "our" physiological impact (no pun intended) makes a statement that radical Islam is not a winning fight. So don't be an idiot and fight a "crusade."

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

A few tons of bombs a day keeps the terrorists away and "our" physiological impact (no pun intended) makes a statement that radical Islam is not a winning fight. So don't be an idiot and fight a "crusade."

when are you enlisting? I keep missing that.