Boehner proposes leaving 52 Million Americans without insurance.

[Hayabusa Rider]

(1) vote on questions affecting the company as a whole;

That's not it.

(2) hold a proportionate ownership in the assets of the company;

That's not it either.

(3) transfer ownership of their shares;

Nope.

(4) receive dividends when declared by the board of directors;

Nyet

(5) inspect the corporate books and records

Not it either.

(6) sue the corporation for wrongful acts;

Gee that would be fraud. Nope.

(7) share in the proceeds of a corporate liquidation

That must be it, because none of the other's fit.

Oops that's not right.

In other words you haven't a clue. Congrats.

 

[JSt0rm]

Gee that would be fraud. Nope.
In other words you haven't a clue. Congrats.

http://www.answers.com/topic/wrongful-act

^^^

Error, misstatement, or breach of duty by an officer or director of a company that results in a lawsuit against the company. Directors and Officers Liability Insurance covers claims arising from wrongful acts by directors or officers of a company while in that capacity. Wrongful acts specifically exclude dishonesty, theft, libel, and slander. During the liability insurance crisis of the 1980s, this type of coverage became unavailable in many industries as wrongful acts received an increasingly liberal interpretation by the courts and many expensive lawsuits were filed against business firms. See also Tort; Tort; Defense Against Unintentional; Tort; Intentional; Tort; Unintentional.

Look how dumb you are.


Here is a real world example of shareholders suing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jun/18/bp-class-action-oil-spill-damages

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://www.answers.com/topic/wrongful-act

^^^



Look how dumb you are.


Here is a real world example of shareholders suing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jun/18/bp-class-action-oil-spill-damages

Oh my god you are a fucking idiot. Let me show the ways.

First your contention-

Well by law a corporation must only think of profits for the share holders. If they can make more profit by giving good will to everyone then thats what they will do but if they give anything instead of giving pure profit to a shareholder they are breaking the law. Isn't it wonderful?

We ask to see the law. You post nonsense which doesn't back you claim. I call you on it.

How do you defend your contention that companies cannot engage in philanthropy unless it adds to the bottom line? You link to shareholders suing BP. For going good deeds? YES. Donating oil to shrimp.


Shaken baby syndrome, it's real and don't let JSt0rm's tragedy happen to your children.

 

[JSt0rm]

How do you defend your contention that companies cannot engage in philanthropy unless it adds to the bottom line? You link to shareholders suing BP. For going good deeds? YES. Donating oil to shrimp.

I was asked about the law that would allow such a thing. I showed it to you. I also gave a quick example of the law being put to use. If you want to pay me 2k a week to play forum warrior with you I will gladly spend 20 hours a week digging up whatever you want.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I was asked about the law that would allow such a thing. I showed it to you. I also gave a quick example of the law being put to use. If you want to pay me 2k a week to play forum warrior with you I will gladly spend 20 hours a week digging up whatever you want.

No you pretty much showed you worth. Clearly negative. In case you don't know it, just about anyone can sue for just about anything. Nothing in what you cited shows that there is a legal basis for it.

I could sue you because you are ugly. Show where that's covered in the non sequitur you provided.

 

[JSt0rm]

No you pretty much showed you worth. Clearly negative. In case you don't know it, just about anyone can sue for just about anything. Nothing in what you cited shows that there is a legal basis for it.

I could sue you because you are ugly. Show where that's covered in the non sequitur you provided.

lol. So if you already knew that a corp could be sued for this reason and you made me spend time responding to you? Are you trying to kill time at work again?

 

[HeXen]

The uninsured can always pay cash. I have no problem with this.

sure if your rich. 3 weeks ago, an acquaintance of mine wrecked on his motorcycle...accidents happen, but he had some brain swelling...etc and ended up being pretty bad head injury cause his head hit a sewer lid. His medical costs have already exceeded $600,000 and its not over. and he works at a grocery store having no insurance

when you look at itemized medical bills and see $12 for a syringe, $17 for latex gloves, over $20 for two tylenol.....yeah, no one is gonna pay cash for that.

 

[Patranus]

We have a single payer defense system. I don't think there is a lack of profits or innovation in the defense industry.

Last time I checked, that one was in the constitution.

 

[JSt0rm]

sure if your rich. 3 weeks ago, an acquaintance of mine wrecked on his motorcycle...accidents happen, but he had some brain swelling...etc and ended up being pretty bad head injury cause his head hit a sewer lid. His medical costs have already exceeded $600,000 and its not over. and he works at a grocery store having no insurance

when you look at itemized medical bills and see $12 for a syringe, $17 for latex gloves, over $20 for two tylenol.....yeah, no one is gonna pay cash for that.

And there in is the entire point. The cost of your friends medical procedures will be covered by all the people who have insurance to pay for $20 Tylenol.

 

[JSt0rm]

as an aside it probably isnt wise to ride a motorcycle without insurance. Why must the rest of us pay for this mans idiocy? Thats what the republicans want to go back to. Weak.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

lol. So if you already knew that a corp could be sued for this reason and you made me spend time responding to you? Are you trying to kill time at work again?

You really aren't playing dumb are you?

What law prevents a company from donating unless it makes a profit again?

Are you giving your brain a permanent vacation? It's like watching someone heap dung on their head and daring others to mock him.

Your contention that by law a company cannot do anything which does not directly add to profit is unproven. Busted.

 

[manimal]

sure if your rich. 3 weeks ago, an acquaintance of mine wrecked on his motorcycle...accidents happen, but he had some brain swelling...etc and ended up being pretty bad head injury cause his head hit a sewer lid. His medical costs have already exceeded $600,000 and its not over. and he works at a grocery store having no insurance

when you look at itemized medical bills and see $12 for a syringe, $17 for latex gloves, over $20 for two tylenol.....yeah, no one is gonna pay cash for that.

Sorry to hear about your friend. I wrecked a longtime ago and it was not fun...


If you look at this problem and look at two states with a robust public plan-hawaii and mass-you can see that in fact bigger pools do drop the costs.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

as an aside it probably isnt wise to ride a motorcycle without insurance. Why must the rest of us pay for this mans idiocy? Thats what the republicans want to go back to. Weak.

You are my hobby today.

It isn't wise to ride a motorcycle without insurance. If I don't have insurance I won't ride one, but perhaps you should buy it for me because I'm deprived if I can't. You owe me. That's you.

This isn't about Democrat and Republican as much as stupid vs. those who get it. You don't get it.

 

[dali71]

as an aside it probably isnt wise to ride a motorcycle without insurance. Why must the rest of us pay for this mans idiocy? Thats what the republicans want to go back to. Weak.

You are my hobby today.

It isn't wise to ride a motorcycle without insurance. If I don't have insurance I won't ride one, but perhaps you should buy it for me because I'm deprived if I can't. You owe me. That's you.

This isn't about Democrat and Republican as much as stupid vs. those who get it. You don't get it.

 

[ShawnD1]

sure if your rich. 3 weeks ago, an acquaintance of mine wrecked on his motorcycle...accidents happen, but he had some brain swelling...etc and ended up being pretty bad head injury cause his head hit a sewer lid. His medical costs have already exceeded $600,000 and its not over. and he works at a grocery store having no insurance

when you look at itemized medical bills and see $12 for a syringe, $17 for latex gloves, over $20 for two tylenol.....yeah, no one is gonna pay cash for that.

Through collective bargaining, the company or gubment basically says "this is what we're paying, take it or leave it" so they take it.

If you're wondering why healthcare in other countries is so cheap, that's why. The government refuses to pay more than a certain amount, so the result is lower cost and lower wages for healthcare people. According to some mad googling skillz, a US general doctor makes about 150k average, but a doctor in Canada only makes 100k.

 

[Nebor]

shredders that are certified for classified documents are expensive and are not meant for plastic.

Really? Because I've used TS certified shredders that can turn paper, CDs and hard drives into dust. Those are astronomically expensive.

 

[Nebor]

Have you ever had a corporate job? My desk at work cost $10,000. My trash bin was $80 even though it's just a regular $5 Walmart trash can (black plastic, nothing fancy).



lol that must be the worst combo ever. Giving thyroxine to diabetics often ends bad.

Yes, I'm on hiatus from my regular job while I'm in the Army. Most corporations pay as little as possible for things, in order to maximize profits. The military is nothing like that.

 

[ShawnD1]

Yes, I'm on hiatus from my regular job while I'm in the Army. Most corporations pay as little as possible for things, in order to maximize profits. The military is nothing like that.

lol no. Companies get raped on damn near everything. My $10,000 desk and $80 plastic trash bin are just two examples. My chair at work cost roughly $1000 even though it's really just a $200 chair from Staples. They also buy those stupid expensive Intel Xeon workstation computers. It's not faster than a regular i7; it just costs twice as much for no reason.

A couple weeks ago I had to print out a bunch of pdf files that were a few thousand pages combined. My boss told me to put the files on a USB stick and take it to the UPS store across the street. Why? Because having them print it and deliver it to our office cost less than using our office printer. The price of office supplies for corporations is unbelievable. A $5 stack of computer paper is suddenly $15. A $2 gel pen is $5.

When you hear about stupid shit like $100 military haircuts, try to keep in mind those are corporate prices. Products that cost $10 at Staples or services that are $15 at Supercuts will cost $100 when it's a corporation of government paying for it. Individual consumers care a lot about prices, but people signing things don't really give a fuck. Last week I ordered a $200 piece of software at work to help me print documents easier, and not a single person asked why I wanted that software or if it would help with productivity.

 

[charrison]

Administrative costs are too high. What can be done to bring those down?

How about we stop involving a 3rd party(insurance or govt) in every health care transaction? Lets use insurance for the unexpected, not to cover a $20 flu shot or trip to the docs office for a cold. It really is that simple.

 

[JSt0rm]

You really aren't playing dumb are you?

What law prevents a company from donating unless it makes a profit again?

Are you giving your brain a permanent vacation? It's like watching someone heap dung on their head and daring others to mock him.

Your contention that by law a company cannot do anything which does not directly add to profit is unproven. Busted.

The original point was that people have motivations beyond profit. I responded saying that a publicly traded for profit corporation would be sued by their shareholders if this wasn't the primary focus of the company.

We all know you work in the medical industry and you like it how it is. Maybe thats because you enjoy not serving 30 million more people. You made a choice to go into that industry probably with the knowledge in the back of your mind that it may be undergoing some changes in the future.

 

[JSt0rm]

You are my hobby today.

It isn't wise to ride a motorcycle without insurance. If I don't have insurance I won't ride one, but perhaps you should buy it for me because I'm deprived if I can't. You owe me. That's you.

This isn't about Democrat and Republican as much as stupid vs. those who get it. You don't get it.

Wow. wtf is your problem. You dont make any sense. The real world example is of this guy who was riding his motorcycle without MEDICAL insurance (not motorcycle insurance) and is now receiving medical care. You are paying for it, unless you think he is going to repay the 600k? eh? Or should he just die? If thats your argument then fine let that be the argument.

 

[Patranus]

Wow. wtf is your problem. You dont make any sense. The real world example is of this guy who was riding his motorcycle without MEDICAL insurance (not motorcycle insurance) and is now receiving medical care. You are paying for it, unless you think he is going to repay the 600k? eh? Or should he just die? If thats your argument then fine let that be the argument.

Well, if he wasn't at fault in the accident, he wouldn't be paying a cent.
If he was at fault and didn't have insurance, he should have money deducted from his paycheck to recoup the costs.

 

[charrison]

Wow. wtf is your problem. You dont make any sense. The real world example is of this guy who was riding his motorcycle without MEDICAL insurance (not motorcycle insurance) and is now receiving medical care. You are paying for it, unless you think he is going to repay the 600k? eh? Or should he just die? If thats your argument then fine let that be the argument.

And whose fault is it that he did not at least not have an inexpensive catastrophic plan? For less than $100/month he would be on the hook for $10k, not $600k

 

[JSt0rm]

And whose fault is it that he did not at least not have an inexpensive catastrophic plan? For less than $100/month he would be on the hook for $10k, not $600k

Its his fault. The point is do you let him DIE because of it? Or will he get treated get well and have 600k+ in debt and file for bankruptcy. That is our system now. How we think THAT works is beyond me.

 

[JSt0rm]

Well, if he wasn't at fault in the accident, he wouldn't be paying a cent.
If he was at fault and didn't have insurance, he should have money deducted from his paycheck to recoup the costs.

Could you run a business that you were FORCED to do the work and you recoup over 30 years? think about it.