Boehner proposes leaving 52 Million Americans without insurance.

[charrison]

Its his fault. The point is do you let him DIE because of it? Or will he get treated get well and have 600k+ in debt and file for bankruptcy. That is our system now. How we think THAT works is beyond me.

I think the real question for this situation, is why we think catastrophic insurance is unaffordable? Inexpensive insurance would have easily made this a non issue.

 

[JSt0rm]

I think the real question for this situation, is why we think catastrophic insurance is unaffordable? Inexpensive insurance would have easily made this a non issue.

exactly but in the real world people wont buy the coverage. So the question is what do you do about that? Do you have everyone else pay (what we do now) or force them to buy some kind of coverage (obama) or let them die. Crack that nut and you could be a millionaire.

 

[xaeniac]

And if you can't afford it?

Many people i work with can afford health insurance and elect not to take it. That's a personal choice that they make.

 

[theeedude]

Many people i work with can afford health insurance and elect not to take it. That's a personal choice that they make.

Yes, and when they get hit with huge medical bills many default and saddle everyone else with picking up the tab. It's a personal choice the rest of us often end up paying for.

 

[MrX8503]

Many people i work with can afford health insurance and elect not to take it. That's a personal choice that they make.

...And there's also many people who genuinely can't afford it.

 

[charrison]

exactly but in the real world people wont buy the coverage. So the question is what do you do about that? Do you have everyone else pay (what we do now) or force them to buy some kind of coverage (obama) or let them die. Crack that nut and you could be a millionaire.

The largest problem in my opinion is the social conditioning that medical insurance is expensive. And couple that with the fact that insurance is more often than not linked to employment and situation gets worse. People should carry their own catastrophic policy so they are still covered even when not employed.

We need to get away from employer sponsored health insurance and we need to buy health insurance just like we buy any other kind of insurance.

 

[charrison]

...And there's also many people who genuinely can't afford it.

According to Kaiser there are about 10million people that are chronically uninsured. That amounts to about 3% of the population. Do we turn everything upside down for 97% of the population to fix something for 3% of the population?

 

[JSt0rm]

The largest problem in my opinion is the social conditioning that medical insurance is expensive. And couple that with the fact that insurance is more often than not linked to employment and situation gets worse. People should carry their own catastrophic policy so they are still covered even when not employed.

We need to get away from employer sponsored health insurance and we need to buy health insurance just like we buy any other kind of insurance.

I agree people should but if you arent going to force them they wont. So what do you do?

 

[jpeyton]

Boner can pass whatever he wants.

VETO

 

[dawp]

The largest problem in my opinion is the social conditioning that medical insurance is expensive. And couple that with the fact that insurance is more often than not linked to employment and situation gets worse. People should carry their own catastrophic policy so they are still covered even when not employed.

We need to get away from employer sponsored health insurance and we need to buy health insurance just like we buy any other kind of insurance.

Slight hole in you plan there. What do you think is going to get dropped first, rent or the insurance? Non-essential expenses for living and insurance of any type will be one of those.

 

[charrison]

I agree people should but if you arent going to force them they wont. So what do you do?

And since they wont, we will force everyone else to take care of them. Moral hazard has been removed and people know that.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I think Boehner is going to talk the standard Republican rhetoric but end up cooperating more than obstructing. He's a glory hound and he'll want his name on some signed legislation as SotH. The trick is going to be getting the rest of the House to go along. I expect McConnell to remain a perpetual dick, especially given his post-election comments.

 

[PrinceofWands]

We need to get away from employer sponsored health insurance and we need to buy health insurance just like we buy any other kind of insurance.

No, we need to get rid of insurance completely so it quits fucking up the system.

 

[Zorkorist]

No, we need to get rid of Government, and it's influence on insurance, and otherwise, everyday life.

-John

 

[charrison]

No, we need to get rid of insurance completely so it quits fucking up the system.

By and large we dont use insurance right now. Most people in this country have a health care plan, not health insurance. We use our "insurance" for everything, including the stuff that is expected and stuff we can afford.

Putting a middle man(govt or insurance) in every healthcare transaction will only make prices go up.

 

[Zorkorist]

Insurance, Lloyd's of London, etc. was established without Government intervention.

That Government is now the owner of insurance, only shows how profitable it is, and how powerful Government is.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Health Care plan, is obviously insurance.

An individual makes a health care plan, a group makes insurance.

-John

 

[PrinceofWands]

No, we need to get rid of Government, and it's influence on insurance, and otherwise, everyday life.

-John

Since that would be impossible, and has never existed in the history of humanity, your desires are moot. What you're asking for is every man for themselves total anarchy, since that's the only thing that can exist without government.

 

[Zorkorist]

Insurance can exist without Government.

Government saw how profitable it was, and now they want to own it.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

FYI, Government could probably never exist, but for Insurance.

An early form of collectivism.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Insurance, is one of the basic tenents of life, and that is why Governments take over of health-care is so scary. They are taking over one of the basic premises of life, and charging us for "insurance."

-John

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Except health care isn't insurance.

And I think Galbraith would have a thing or 2 to say about insurance existing without Government

 

[umbrella39]

When did this board get over-run with rightwing nutjobs?

Since the overstock sale at the sock puppet factory.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Really? Show me. In the context of what would truly be health care reform, what has been done to make it better? What in the current bill makes a physician better able to diagnose and treat? What gives him more time per patient to get a better initial workup?

No single payer system in the world has as much bureaucracy as ours. Numerous studies out there are to be found in this wonderful thing called the internet.

Its pretty well documented.

 

[blackangst1]

I think the real question for this situation, is why we think catastrophic insurance is unaffordable? Inexpensive insurance would have easily made this a non issue.

You make a good point. The problem with employer based insurance is, it IS more expensive. For example, between myself and my employer, my insurance and dental run about $6700/year. For that price, even being a diabetic, I could buy a catastrphic policy AND conceierge medical for half of that.