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BLM: In light of everything we know today were their issues valid?

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Atreus21 said:
What is the fundamental message of Black Lives Matter?
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Exactly what it says, Black Lives Matter.
Don't read in to this. Don't analyze it. Don't look for hidden meanings.
They were not trying to be mysterious. They were blunt and direct.
Cops and sometimes Citizen Defenders are way too quick to shoot black people in America and its not just the occasional incident once or twice a year. Its practically an epidemic and most of the time the liberal media ignores it. The conservative media actually glorifies hero cops and armed citizens when they gun down a black man, usually making up bullshit claims in the process.
If you can find one of those sites that tracks events like that you'd be amazed at how often it occurs, and how rarely anything happens to the officer or armed citizen responsible.
In the grand scheme of the nation it almost feels as if black lives just don't fucking matter, so now we have a movement to change that attitude.
But I question how successful they've been.
 
shortylickens said:
Exactly what it says, Black Lives Matter.
Don't read in to this. Don't analyze it. Don't look for hidden meanings.
They were not trying to be mysterious. They were blunt and direct.
Cops and sometimes Citizen Defenders are way too quick to shoot black people in America and its not just the occasional incident once or twice a year. Its practically an epidemic and most of the time the liberal media ignores it. The conservative media actually glorifies hero cops and armed citizens when they gun down a black man, usually making up bullshit claims in the process.
If you can find one of those sites that tracks events like that you'd be amazed at how often it occurs, and how rarely anything happens to the officer or armed citizen responsible.
In the grand scheme of the nation it almost feels as if black lives just don't fucking matter, so now we have a movement to change that attitude.
But I question how successful they've been.
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Fortunately, these days cameras are everywhere and they just can't keep getting away with legalized murder of people because they are black.
 
hal2kilo said:
The smoking of cannabis has absolutely no political attachments anymore that I can tell. Can't stand half the long haired dope smoking rednecks that are out there in droves anymore.
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I wasn't saying anything political, I just noticed he seemed to be wearing a robe with a weed leaf on it. The robe honestly is the more weird part.
 
snoopy7548 said:
Maybe they will begin to understand "why". Why do blacks feel persecuted? Why do they riot when someone is killed by a cop, and that cop faces no real repercussions?

Why is this allowed to happen, in 2020?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gs265z
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hey, that's a lot like how the full force of militarized police would show up to defend the life of a single black man sitting in jail overnight after being accused of looking at a white woman when the lynch mob was on the way.


oh...wait.
 
Atreus21 said:
What is the fundamental message of Black Lives Matter?
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It is plainly obvious in 3 words. It only ever has been.




but I get it. you want to pervert it into something that it never was. I expect this from someone that believes the simplicity of something like "pro choice" somehow means "pro abortion," but you believe these asinine things anyway. Because you don't actually care about meaning. You care about defending a belief.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I never complained about the concept. I initially had an issue with the Michael Brown case kicking it off, because I didn't think the facts on the ground in that particular case supported the BLM narrative. But there's been a lot of cases since. And while I don't evaluate every case the same, I definitely see the pattern in them.

This last case with Floyd and that cop sitting on his neck? Jesus. I can't imagine what it must be like to fear the very people who are supposed to protect us.
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Maybe it wasn't the "best case", but I think police forces in the US, as an institution, have squandered many communities' trust and good will. People are tired of being pushed around and having their legitimate complaints brushed under the rug year after year after year. They are no longer willing to give police the benefit of the doubt. The bad apples a rotting the barrel, and we haven't done anything to fix the problem.
 
shortylickens said:
Exactly what it says, Black Lives Matter.
Don't read in to this. Don't analyze it. Don't look for hidden meanings.
They were not trying to be mysterious. They were blunt and direct.
Cops and sometimes Citizen Defenders are way too quick to shoot black people in America and its not just the occasional incident once or twice a year. Its practically an epidemic and most of the time the liberal media ignores it. The conservative media actually glorifies hero cops and armed citizens when they gun down a black man, usually making up bullshit claims in the process.
If you can find one of those sites that tracks events like that you'd be amazed at how often it occurs, and how rarely anything happens to the officer or armed citizen responsible.
In the grand scheme of the nation it almost feels as if black lives just don't fucking matter, so now we have a movement to change that attitude.
But I question how successful they've been.
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Alright. If it's exactly what it says, then yes I agree that black lives matter. Just like all other lives.
 
Atreus21 said:
Alright. If it's exactly what it says, then yes I agree that black lives matter. Just like all other lives.
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ah look, you belittle it. You ignore the fundamental fact tha tin this country, there is no evidence that we as a people support the notion that Black Lives Matter.

You try to make it something else, because it makes you angry that a group that is not yours dare to claim themselves more special.

They aren't claiming themselves more special. They want to be equal. It is clear that they aren't. But you just can't fucking get over yourself.

Black Lives Matter. the end. that's it. Adding more to it is a blatant, ridiculous perversion. It is a tacit insistence that you are somehow lessened by this claim that seems to offend what, for you, has been a special lifelong privilege of identiy.
 
shortylickens said:
No.
The kind of Americans who think black lives are less valuable have not changed their minds and never will. This includes people in positions of power like cops and politicians and judges.
If you want equal rights you have to really fight for it and get a law passed. Thats how the various causes of the 20th century actually made progress.
So far as I know the BLM movement never had a march on Washington, and the lesser movements in small cities across America (Feguson as an example) never got any real change.
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Blacks fought for that in the 60s. We got the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

Guess what republicans did when they got the chance? Maybe you know already.
 
UNCjigga said:
I was all for supporting BLM and ending police brutality, but then BLM killed cops in Dallas and a black quarterback disrespected the flag & troops, so I had to hate them and fight what they stood for. Sorry guys.






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First part of that was a right wing lie.

Tell me what is more disrespectul to troops...

A. Kapernick taking a knee to protest police abuse?
B. Trump mocking John McCain because he was a POW and was tortured for 5 years during the Vietnam War. The same war Trump avoided using bone spurs.

Once you answer that I will give you a conclusion
 
Some things never change.... Hit it Frank.....

Well I'm about to get sick
From watchin' my TV
Been checkin' out the news
Until my eyeballs fail to see
I mean to say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friend
Is anybody's guess

So I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day

Wednesday I watched the riot...
Seen the cops out on the street
Watched 'em throwin' rocks and stuff
And chokin' in the heat
Listened to reports
About the whisky passin' 'round
Seen the smoke and fire
And the market burnin' down
Watched while everybody
On his street would take a turn
To stomp and smash and bash and crash
And slash and bust and burn

And I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day

Well, you can cool it,
You can heat it...
'Cause, baby, I don't need it...
Take your TV tube and eat it
'N all that phony stuff on sports
'N all the unconfirmed reports
You know I watched that rotten box
Until my head begin to hurt
From checkin' out the way
The newsman say they get the dirt
Before the guys on channel so-and-so

And further they assert
That any show they'll interrupt
To bring you news if it comes up
They say that if the place blows up
They will be the first to tell,
Because the boys they got downtown
Are workin' hard and doin' swell,
And if anybody gets the news
Before it hits the street,
They say that no one blabs it faster
Their coverage can't be beat

And if another woman driver
Gets machine-gunned from her seat
They'll send some joker with a brownie
And you'll see it all complete

So I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day

Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white

Well, I seen the fires burnin'
And the local people turnin'
On the merchants and the shops
Who used to sell their brooms and mops
And every other household item
Watched the mob just turn and bite 'em
And they say it served 'em right
Because a few of them are white,
And it's the same across the nation
Black and white discrimination
Yellin' "You can't understand me!"
'N all that other jazz they hand me
In the papers and TV and
All that mass stupidity
That seems to grow more every day
Each time you hear some nitwit say
He wants to go and do you in
Because the color of your skin
Just don't appeal to him
(No matter if it's black or white)
Because he's out for blood tonight

You know we got to sit around at home
And watch this thing begin
But I bet there won't be many live
To see it really end
'Cause the fire in the street
Ain't like the fire in the heart
And in the eyes of all these people
Don't you know that this could start
On any street in any town
In any state if any clown
Decides that now's the time to fight
For some ideal he thinks is right
And if a million more agree
There ain't no Great Society
As it applies to you and me
Our country isn't free
And the law refuses to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns a store
You know that five in every four
Just won't amount to nothin' more
Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor

Blow your harmonica, son!
 
Atreus21 said:
I'm a total idiot. What does it mean to you?
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I'll keep it simple.

We have to remind people like you that our lives matter as much as yours because we are treated like they aren't.

Have you ever bothered read this thread?

YAEWBT - Yet another existing while black thread. Modified to all purpose harassment (includes other people of color)

Cliff notes version. Black Yale grad student takes a nap on school grounds after studying. White student enters the room, says black student can't sleep here and she will call police. Black student questioned by police and records encounter. Black student forced to "justify her existence" to...
forums.anandtech.com

Because if you have you are either a fucking moron or an apologist for racists or a racist yourself. People like you still think people like me are treated equally?
 
I wonder how many right wingers think BLM is Bureau of Land Management and raging because of that. Then again, that even seems intertwined with their racism, see the craven Bundy pontificating about blacks and slavery completely unprompted when being interviewed about his "protest" of illegally grazing his cattle on land he didn't own.
 
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