BLM: Falcon Heights police fatally shot man

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bshole

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Duvert, duhvert! Gotts clsim racism and ignore the rest. Explain the shoes, sunglasses, shirt, hair, facial hair...etc.

You can't.

Yes the robber looked like him. Nobody is denying that. That is why he was pulled over in the first place. Who in the fuck are you arguing with anyway? Can you point out a single post where anybody said they did not look alike. You are arguing something that everybody has already conceded. Kudos to you for noticing and pointing out THE FUCKING OBVIOUS. You would make a great detective there Barney.

What is denied is that it was actually him because he HAD A FUCKING BEARD AND THE ROBBER DIDN'T! You may not realize this but beards of that length don't magically materialize over the course of 2 FUCKING DAYS.


The other suspect was described as a black man with shoulder-length dreadlocks, who wore tan pants, tan shoes with white soles, a green jacket, a green baseball cap and glasses, the release says. He also had some of his hair pulled into a bun through the strap on the back of his hat and had a small mustache and facial hair on his chin
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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Yes the robber looked like him. Nobody is denying that. That is why he was pulled over in the first place. Who in the fuck are you arguing with anyway? Can you point out a single post where anybody said they did not look alike. You are arguing something that everybody has already conceded. Kudos to you for noticing and pointing out THE F****** OBVIOUS. You would make a great detective there Barney.

What is denied is that it was actually him because he HAD A F****** BEARD AND THE ROBBER DIDN'T! You may not realize this but beards of that length don't magically materialize over the course of 2 F****** DAYS.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

You say (bolded section), "AND THE ROBBER DIDN'T!"

Yet the following quote, ALSO comes from your post, above. Towards the bottom of it.

had a small mustache and facial hair on his chin

tl;dr
They DID apparently have identical/similar beard growths.
 
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bshole

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You seem to be contradicting yourself.

You say (bolded section), "AND THE ROBBER DIDN'T!"

Yet the following quote, ALSO comes from your post, above. Towards the bottom of it.


tl;dr
They DID apparently have identical/similar beard growths.

THEY BOTH HAVE FUCKING GOATEES! ONLY ONE HAD A BEARD RUNNING UP THE SIDE OF HIS FACE AND INTO HIS HAIRLINE.

Are there learning disabilities going on here?

Do you want to know what the officer's lawyer is saying? You are asserting something that is patently impossible based on the photos and something that is in direct contradiction to what the god damn officer who did the shooting is saying. You are making shit up. If you are unable to stick with physical reality, who in the fuck do you expect to engage in a rational discourse? You are irrational.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...astile-was-robbery-suspect-tapes-show-n607856

So bottom line, the cops are saying that the victim is NOT a robbery suspect. You are asserting it based on a photo that PROVES that he was not the robber.

Yanez's lawyer, Tom Kelly, told KARE that Castile was not a suspect in any robbery, but said the officers "had a reasonable suspicion he may match the description of the suspect in the earlier robbery."

Yanez's lawyer, Tom Kelly, told KARE that Castile was not a suspect in any robbery, but said the officers "had a reasonable suspicion he may match the description of the suspect in the earlier robbery."

Yanez's lawyer, Tom Kelly, told KARE that Castile was not a suspect in any robbery, but said the officers "had a reasonable suspicion he may match the description of the suspect in the earlier robbery."

Yanez's lawyer, Tom Kelly, told KARE that Castile was not a suspect in any robbery, but said the officers "had a reasonable suspicion he may match the description of the suspect in the earlier robbery."
 
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LegendKiller

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THEY BOTH HAVE FUCKING GOATEES! ONLY ONE HAD A BEARD RUNNING UP THE SIDE OF HIS FACE AND INTO HIS HAIRLINE.

Jesus fucking Christ, are there learning disabilities going on here?

Do you want to know what the officer's lawyer is saying? You Columbo wannabes are asserting something that is patently impossible based on the photos and something that is in direct contradiction to what the god damn officer who did the shooting is saying. You are making shit up. If you are unable to stick with physical reality who in the fuck do you expect to engage in a rational discourse? You are irrational.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...astile-was-robbery-suspect-tapes-show-n607856

So bottom line, the cops are saying that the victim is NOT a robbery suspect. You are asserting it based on a photo that PROVES that he was not the robber.
He *was* not a suspect, as in, they didn't identify him specifically. There wasn't a bolo out for castile, specificially, but there was one for somebody matching his description.

Do you read and comprehend english?
 

bshole

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Perhaps you guys should contact the police department, you done did it, you solved the armed robberies.

ROFLMFAO!!!
 

The Merg

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The police officer pulled him over because he suspected him of armed robbery. The rear light story was just what he told the driver. From the cops own lips, we know this was a felony stop.



It wasn't necessarily a felony stop. Since the cop thought he looked like the robbery suspect, he could have just been trying to see if he could ID the subject. Since the robbery had occurred a few days prior, doing a traffic stop would not have really alerted the driver as to what was going on. The cop could get the driver's info and then pass it on to the Robbery detectives.
 

bshole

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He *was* not a suspect, as in, they didn't identify him specifically. There wasn't a bolo out for castile, specificially, but there was one for somebody matching his description.

Do you read and comprehend english?

Ok there is a learning disability going on. I apologize.

I have stated in just about every single post that I have made that castile looked like the robbery suspect. In fact, it is absolutely CRITICAL to my argument. Since Castile looked like a robbery suspect, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FELONY STOP. The officer did not follow procedure for a felony stop and this failure resulted in the death of an innocent, therefor there are grounds for a manslaughter charge.

Do you understand my position? I can't tell with you, I really can't. I can't even tell what you are trying to argue. You are not coming within a country mile of a rational argument for anything.
 
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HomerJS

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Duvert, duhvert! Gotts clsim racism and ignore the rest. Explain the shoes, sunglasses, shirt, hair, facial hair...etc.

You can't.

Shoes, sunglasses, hair, facial hair were not part of the reason the cop pulled him over. Or are you refusing to believe the recording of the cops actual words?

BTW - I got the racism from your link.
 

bshole

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It wasn't necessarily a felony stop. Since the cop thought he looked like the robbery suspect, he could have just been trying to see if he could ID the subject. Since the robbery had occurred a few days prior, doing a traffic stop would not have really alerted the driver as to what was going on. The cop could get the driver's info and then pass it on to the Robbery detectives.


Think about it more closely. If it was the actual robbery suspect, it would probably be the cop who was killed.

If you suspect a person of being a violent felon, there is a correct procedure to secure the person that protects the OFFICER and the SUSPECT. When you do not follow that procedure, SHIT LIKE THIS happens.

The officer admitted that he suspected the driver of being an armed robber. He did this 2 minutes before the shooting. It was a felony stop.
 
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The Merg

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Think about it more closely. If it was the actual robbery suspect, it would probably be the cop who was killed.

If you suspect a person of being a violent felon, there is a correct procedure to secure the person that protects the OFFICER and the SUSPECT. When you do not follow that procedure, SHIT LIKE THIS happens.

The officer admitted that he suspected the driver of being an armed robber. He did this 2 minutes before the shooting. It was a felony stop.



It was 4 to 5 days after the robbery. There is no reason for the person to think that they are being stopped because of that if the officer treats it like a regular traffic stop. The police do plenty of investigative stops where they treat things like a traffic stop when they were actually trying to get more information.

By treating it like a regular traffic stop, the cop gets all of the "suspect's" information and then the "suspect" drives off thinking that there is nothing to worry about.

If he does the felony stop, how does he actually explain that? So they do the stop, everybody gets pulled out of the car and handcuffed, and then the officer says, "I'm sorry. I thought you looked like a robbery suspect, but now that I see you up close, I see that it wasn't you. "
 

bshole

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It was 4 to 5 days after the robbery. There is no reason for the person to think that they are being stopped because of that if the officer treats it like a regular traffic stop. The police do plenty of investigative stops where they treat things like a traffic stop when they were actually trying to get more information.

By treating it like a regular traffic stop, the cop gets all of the "suspect's" information and then the "suspect" drives off thinking that there is nothing to worry about.

If he does the felony stop, how does he actually explain that? So they do the stop, everybody gets pulled out of the car and handcuffed, and then the officer says, "I'm sorry. I thought you looked like a robbery suspect, but now that I see you up close, I see that it wasn't you. "

He explains it by saying it was a case of misidentification. It isn't that difficult.

I am not understanding you. If this was the actual suspect, the cop could easily be dead because he declined to put a protective shield between himself and the suspect. Have you not watched Youtube videos? Violent felons shoot cops all the time when they walk up to the car. I certainly would NEVER saunter up to the vehicle of somebody that I suspect of a violent crime. There are written regs for handling people you suspect of a violent crime. I can't understand why you are arguing against them IN THE FACE OF HORRIFIC AFTERMATH of what happens when you don't follow the regs. I suspect you do not want to hold the officer accountable for not following the proper procedure, I do.

Admission: I am making tons of assumptions here. I do not know what the written regulations are for felony arrest encounters in the jurisdiction that this occurred in. I would be interested if you could get them.
 

Darwin333

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Yeah, because that's how it works. Lol. You're such a cop hating liberal retard that you can't even see that she was fucking baked out of her mind.

But that's okay, pot is good for you. It's even better for 4 year olds.

For someone who says we are only seeing one side of the story and shouldn't jump to conclusions, you sure are jumping to one hell of a conclusion.
 

Darwin333

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No, lime most cops, he is terrified that the libtard goon squad is going to prosecute his ass like mosby has done and drag his family through the mud and open them up to death threats because shit for brain Internet experts with no care for ramifications will jump on it through insta media and 24/7 news cycle.

Hey, guess what happened? Cops are saying it around the country.

And you are jumping to the conclusion that was the absolute first thing going through his mind after taking a mans life? Even before securing his own safety and the safety of his fellow officers which is supposedly the very reason he is in that situation?
 

mizzou

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I finally got around to watching the video. I didn't realize it was only post-shooting.

My suspicions are quite high due to the demeanor of the driver in the car and due to the fact that there doesn't appear to be any release of information of what happened prior and during the shooting, which is the most important part of the entire case.

Who would let their loved one moan out in pain and say that "Oh he is shot dead" I kept thinking of the monty python skit, I'm not dead yet!

Terrible situation overall, it will be another one I monitor and will pass judgment when all the facts are in.

Unless I'm missing something?
 

The Merg

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I finally got around to watching the video. I didn't realize it was only post-shooting.

My suspicions are quite high due to the demeanor of the driver in the car and due to the fact that there doesn't appear to be any release of information of what happened prior and during the shooting, which is the most important part of the entire case.

Who would let their loved one moan out in pain and say that "Oh he is shot dead" I kept thinking of the monty python skit, I'm not dead yet!

Terrible situation overall, it will be another one I monitor and will pass judgment when all the facts are in.

Unless I'm missing something?



Some experts are saying that it's very possible she was in shock and thus her odd reaction. Very similar to how the cop had the opposite reaction to the shooting.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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The girlfriends later videos, seem to be making her look at least a tiny little bit, more likely to be exaggerating or even lying.

In her first video, she seems to be saying that the police neglected to medically treat her boyfriend. Yet video evidence, has now surfaced, which shows the police trying to medically help the shooting victim.

In her latest/later video (the very long one), she seems to be showing, huge hatred to the police. The hatred is so bad, I would find it hard to believe it started up in the last day or two. It seems to be a very longstanding issue/hatred.

She seems to be gradually admitting that the policeman ordered their hands out (and probably to remain still), yet she admits that her boyfriend ignored these instructions and instead reached for his ID. Some people think that the gun was on his lap. There are now more photographs available, where the gun is much more clearly visible, but lying outside the vehicle, when the police were investigating it. (Some time after the event was over).

The resolution has improved, of some of the pictures showing striking similarities between the boyfriend's (himself and some of his stuff) and the robbery suspect, are available.

The website debunking my original link with those photographs, has itself now been debunked. So maybe the original website was right all along.

During the main part of the incident, she admits she shouted very loudly "GUN" (and other words). She also says the boyfriend, said "gun" (and other words).

Some people are very suspicious about this, because they are saying that concealed carry permit holders, would be carefully trained and/or should know anyway, that during a police stop, shouting "GUN", is a very bad idea, and can dangerously spook the police officer.
Also if he had such a permit, how the heck, could his gun "legitimately" end up on his lap. If the policeman observed the robbery suspect, suddenly reaching for a gun, resting on his lap. While his girl friend shouts "GUN ...", he mentions "gun", and while ignoring police instructions to put his/their hands out of the window and remain still.
I can understand how the policeman would react, with unfortunately a potentially sad outcome.

She also seems to be contradicting herself, as time goes on. For example she was saying the gun was never taken out by her boyfriend. Yet we can apparently see it in the video, and maybe (the police are not saying yet) the police can confirm this.
She was/is also saying that he remained perfectly still, then changes it to that he moved to get his ID, which she admits was against the policeman's instructions to put their hands out of the window and remain still (I'm not sure of the exact words used).

On the other hand (in fairness to the girlfriend), she did explain that her boyfriend was confused by the policeman's instructions to both "remain still" and produce his ID. So her boyfriend went for the ID. I don't know at this stage if /how it happened at that stage.

tl;dr
I'm not 100% convinced that the girlfriend is fully telling the whole story and truth, about everything.
But in fairness to the girlfriend, we are getting little or no information (except a brief message from his defense attorney), from the police. Maybe when we do, we may also disagree with their version of events, who knows ?

But in the back of my mind, it still could be a terribly sad mess up, by the police (with some slightly non-optimal reactions by the victims).

As I understand it, the police (and officials) are saying that they are trying to quickly resolve/investigate some stuff, so that we can be told, a lot more about what has happened.
 
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TechBoyJK

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Not lost, just proving a point. Entirely possible somebody could grow that peach fuzz castile had in 2 days.

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