BLM: Falcon Heights police fatally shot man

[Sunburn74]

The cop wasn't white, so are you saying there's a conspiracy by cops of all races only to allow white people to carry?

Yes. Or something similar.
There is published literature that discusses unconscious biases police officers have in terms of race and how this leads to differential treatment. In fact there is a remarkable amount of research literature on how strong and pervasive unconscious biases WE ALL have towards race and how sadly it has too much an impact on our lives, careers, personal safety, and ability to pursue the american dream.

Such literature for example:
how racial predilection affects sentencing for similar crimes (a study looked at louisiana sentencing the day after a LSU football game loss based on the race of the defendant)
how racial predilection affects callbacks for job opportunities (a study looked at job call backs based on a blind resume with the only change being the name)
how racial predilection affects odds of being pulled over for drugs
how racial predilection affects the use of force by police officers and so on and so on.

And don't forget real world data from the department of justice during their Ferguson Missouri and Baltimore, MD police department investigations.

Heck just look at our history of the death penalty...

Honestly I think its pretty naive and somewhat callous to think the black lives matters movement just materialized out of thin air and has absolutely no factual basis to stand on.

 

[JSt0rm]

the alt right lost again...

 

[highland145]

are you white?

Portuguese but still waiting on the Ancestry report. It's been over a month. I keep telling the wife that she's Eskimo but she bucking it.

 

[JSt0rm]

U white.

 

[highland145]

U white.

Mutt mostly.

 

[OutHouse]

When a police officer is informed that a person they have stopped is in possession of a firearm, they do not then ask for license and registration. They immediately tell the person to freeze, then they disarm the person

100% wrong.

 

[buckshot24]

Portuguese but still waiting on the Ancestry report. It's been over a month. I keep telling the wife that she's Eskimo but she bucking it.

Maybe she's a spy and posts on this forum?

 

[OutHouse]

Follow instructions the first time, every time! It's really not that hard.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Follow instructions the first time, every time! It's really not that hard.

What instructions were not followed in this case?

 

[JSt0rm]

Follow instructions the first time, every time! It's really not that hard.

Follow instructions or die - a fascist.

 

[buckshot24]

Follow instructions or die - a fascist.

How else could police do their job? Just get shot when they make suggestions?

 

[buckshot24]

What instructions were not followed in this case?

I read the transcript and it happened so fast, the only thing that is possible is he was doing something with his hands.

 

[JSt0rm]

How else could police do their job? Just get shot when they make suggestions?

How else can they do thier job? Lol. How about not shooting people first.

 

[buckshot24]

How else can they do thier job? Lol. How about not shooting people first.

How many cops do you want to see shot?

 

[buckshot24]

Do you want the cops to wait to be fired upon to shoot?

 

[Humpy]

How else could police do their job?

You seem kinda dumb.

 

[buckshot24]

You seem kinda dumb.

Do you want police to wait until they are shot at first before being able to protect themselves?

 

[ivwshane]

Do you want police to wait until they are shot at first before being able to protect themselves?

I think it's reasonable that people who are trained to use deadly force and whose job is to ensure the publics safety to wait until deadly force is eminent or used on them first before using deadly force themselves. But that's because I hold the police and people with authority to a higher standard than the people they oversee. You apparently don't have such a standard.

 

[buckshot24]

I think it's reasonable that people who are trained to use deadly force and whose job is to ensure the publics safety to wait until deadly force is eminent or used on them first before using deadly force themselves. But that's because I hold the police and people with authority to a higher standard than the people they oversee. You apparently don't have such a standard.

I don't think we disagree on this. The question is how imminent does that threat need to be in order for it to justify deadly force. From what I gather, this case I would say the threat wasn't imminent enough to justify deadly force.

 

[HomerJS]

Anecdotal mean anything to you?

I guess the experiment at a target range where they change the race of the targets and it was shown cops were quicker to shoot blacks vs whites.

 

[Sunburn74]

How else could police do their job? Just get shot when they make suggestions?

I think the statement "I feared for my life" is too powerful a blanket get out of jail free card for police officers. Its completely subjective and completely unverifiable and juries buy it time and time again, hook line and sinker.

 

[JSt0rm]

How many cops do you want to see shot?

firefighters rush into burning buildings to save your life. Why wouldnt cops also be held to this standard?

 

[buckshot24]

I guess the experiment at a target range where they change the race of the targets and it was shown cops were quicker to shoot blacks vs whites.

I haven't heard of that one, do you have a link?

 

[buckshot24]

I think the statement "I feared for my life" is too powerful a blanket get out of jail free card for police officers. Its completely subjective and completely unverifiable and juries buy it time and time again, hook line and sinker.

These are all subjective unfortunately. Unless you say cops should only fire once fired upon, which I'd assume you wouldn't agree with. This isn't an easy thing to get right.

I lean heavily towards "bad shoot" on this case for the record.

 

[JSt0rm]

These are all subjective unfortunately. Unless you say cops should only fire once fired upon, which I'd assume you wouldn't agree with. This isn't an easy thing to get right.

I lean heavily towards "bad shoot" on this case for the record.

cops chose their job. I didnt choose to be shot. Just like firefighters chose their job and risk their life running into burning buildings a cop chose their job and risk being shot.