Apparently the argument is that to support collective action on something you have to support individual action on it.
The argument is mind blowingly moronic, but sadly enough still the argument.
BeauJangles
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Trust me, I have no delusions, but I figure that it took me two minutes to type that and maybe it will make a difference. And by maybe, I mean definitely not.
Hey look who it is.
I almost mentioned you in my previous post due to your long and storied record of exactly this sort of retarded shit, but I knew you didn't need my help. Thanks for rewarding my faith in you, CAD.
The deduction is an incentive to get people to donate vs the govt having to do it. Would you rather a third party do it with money from those who want to donate or some govt official with his many layers of incompetency from everybody?
That said I donate to many things that are not religious. Not all donations are to religions.
Yeah the next 4 years will be fun watching the back peddaling and side changing. Suddenly it is time for constructive debate and not flamebait lol
PingSpike
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I'm actually somewhat surprised, but I haven't really seen any good arguements against this in the thread. So far we have "repost" "OP is an asshole" "iraq war" and "they only give to churches and then the built giant gold churches". I kind of agree that the last point is basically refuted since a lot of nonprofit places really don't serve the needy at all.
As a cheapass, I have no business throwing stones, I only ever donate to animal shelters. But the scramble is kind of amusing here.
As a cheapass, I have no business throwing stones, I only ever donate to animal shelters. But the scramble is kind of amusing here.
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Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
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Sen. Hillary Clinton.
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
These are not the type of people I want to work with. As much as I would want to work with Chavez, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Che, Stalin.........
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
These are not the type of people I want to work with. As much as I would want to work with Chavez, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Che, Stalin.........
You are correct however the argument isnt over that at all. It is whether you want to coerce people with a tax incentive or beat them over the head with a hammer to donate.
I prefer and have always prefered the coercsion. Because it still gives people a "choice" in the decision. So far our system isnt bad. We donate a lot of money to private institutions that relieve pressure on our already bloated govt from having to do it.
umbrella39
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Why don't you just ask the mods if you can start posting from your banned account? See if they are in a giving mood this time of year.
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.
I'm completely serious.
umbrella39
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.
I'm completely serious.
I like it. Let those like him keep spouting off at the mouth. Each time someone like him speaks in public or makes a post on the internet they lose more and more votes. We've been listening to this tripe for 6+ years now. When the dust has settled, there won't be many more like him left. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Merry Christmas.
Sure conservatives donate more, you know how many millions of dollars it takes to torpedo gay marriage legislation, ask Rick Warren.
Though don't be surprised if he refuses to open the books, can't jeopardize their tax exempt status you know.
Though don't be surprised if he refuses to open the books, can't jeopardize their tax exempt status you know.
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.
I'm completely serious.
Ok. Will you pay for it? Donation maybe?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.
I'm completely serious.
Well with the coming apocalypse and all, I have a feeling Specop and Butterbean may be the only survivors.
But somehow, I bet they will soldier on, mate, and continue the species. Too bad none of us will be alive the reap the fruits of their labor and the Uber American that will no doubt be part Chuck Norris, part Reagan, and 100% hermaphroditic.
I Googled, looking for a study showing how much churches, on average, spend on charity and other things.
It appears running a church exhausts about 60% of an average church's budget, leaving only 40% for charity, but who knows how much of that is actually spent on charitable efforts? Certainly lends credence to the argument that meeting in a grassy field instead of an ostentatious edifice would go a long way towards sending more of the church's money to places where it does the most good.
Another study by the same site, looked at nearly 1,200 churches and how they spend their money. This gets really interesting.
I'd say that 16% for "missions" is where the church is spending money that benefits those who need it most. You might argue that the 9% for church programs might help people too, depending on what programs they're referring to.
But at best, you have 16%-25% of an average church's budget going towards helping people. And you have to wonder how many of their "missions" are truthfully just evangelical missions to proselytize and not truly charitable missions where they're helping the less fortunate.
Kinda pathetic if you ask me. It appears something on the order of 75%+ of a church's budget goes to simply maintaining the church itself. Frankly, that money isn't helping anyone, except the people who mistakenly worship the building itself and not their god.
It appears running a church exhausts about 60% of an average church's budget, leaving only 40% for charity, but who knows how much of that is actually spent on charitable efforts? Certainly lends credence to the argument that meeting in a grassy field instead of an ostentatious edifice would go a long way towards sending more of the church's money to places where it does the most good.
Another study by the same site, looked at nearly 1,200 churches and how they spend their money. This gets really interesting.
I'd say that 16% for "missions" is where the church is spending money that benefits those who need it most. You might argue that the 9% for church programs might help people too, depending on what programs they're referring to.
But at best, you have 16%-25% of an average church's budget going towards helping people. And you have to wonder how many of their "missions" are truthfully just evangelical missions to proselytize and not truly charitable missions where they're helping the less fortunate.
Kinda pathetic if you ask me. It appears something on the order of 75%+ of a church's budget goes to simply maintaining the church itself. Frankly, that money isn't helping anyone, except the people who mistakenly worship the building itself and not their god.
BeauJangles
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
These people are basically 50% of the country you profess to love. Their words, ideas, and actions have helped shape that history your cherish so deeply, but you claim to "hate" them.
If you hate them, you hate what makes America special and what has been one of our nation's strengths since its inception.
Red Dawn
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You weren't in the Dallas area yesterday were you?Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy.
Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.
FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.
I'm completely serious.
Ok. Will you pay for it? Donation maybe?
I doubt there's any therapy for hateful folks like yourself, except perhaps a lobotomy.
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