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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.

I'm completely serious.

Ahhh, the age old "Your crazy, thats not true". Seen it before. No, I'm perfectly normal and it IS true. You DO want to steal my money to give to knuckledraggers.

You DO want to have more government telling me what I can and cannot do. You just dont think so because in your warped little mind all of this is good and its whats needed, so you dont see the evils of it. More to the point those who oppose bigger .gov and more taxes are considered evil, crazy or otherwise beneath you in some way.

No, you really aren't normal. You're creating caricatured enemies out of fringe viewpoints, attempting to assign them to large swaths of society that you must fight (and actively wish harm upon), and creating an aura of paranoia and persecution around yourself based on virtually nothing. Again, this is dangerously paranoid.

There are a few other options, you could know that what you're saying is bullshit in which case you're just being a jackass, and there's a small chance you've been so sheltered that you actually believe it but only through ignorance. Other than that, you seriously need help.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.

I'm completely serious.

Ok. Will you pay for it? Donation maybe?

Good news is that many mental health professionals will see you initially for free to determine if you need help or if they can help you, if you are diagnosed with a disorder that you cannot pay for, please let me know. I'll do whatever I can to help you out.

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007

Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy. :)

Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.

FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.

Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.

I'm completely serious.

Well with the coming apocalypse and all, I have a feeling Specop and Butterbean may be the only survivors.

But somehow, I bet they will soldier on, mate, and continue the species. Too bad none of us will be alive the reap the fruits of their labor and the Uber American that will no doubt be part Chuck Norris, part Reagan, and 100% hermaphroditic.

I wonder if Butterbean was finally banned?
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.

I'm completely serious.

Ahhh, the age old "Your crazy, thats not true". Seen it before. No, I'm perfectly normal and it IS true. You DO want to steal my money to give to knuckledraggers.

You DO want to have more government telling me what I can and cannot do. You just dont think so because in your warped little mind all of this is good and its whats needed, so you dont see the evils of it. More to the point those who oppose bigger .gov and more taxes are considered evil, crazy or otherwise beneath you in some way.

No, you really aren't normal. You're creating caricatured enemies out of fringe viewpoints, attempting to assign them to large swaths of society that you must fight (and actively wish harm upon), and creating an aura of paranoia and persecution around yourself based on virtually nothing. Again, this is dangerously paranoid.

There are a few other options, you could know that what you're saying is bullshit in which case you're just being a jackass, and there's a small chance you've been so sheltered that you actually believe it but only through ignorance. Other than that, you seriously need help.

Let me make sure I understand this, for my own sake.

If a ATDU poster comes on railing against the "Bushwhackos" and their supporters and they should be considered traitors and be jailed or worse thats ok. But to turn around and describe the opposite party, Democrats (or liberals, a subset thereof) as anything other then calm, normal and rational invites attacks of being crazy and in need of professional help?

So what your saying is that ultimately its ok for one side to wish all manner of punishment and pain to the other, but then in turn for that side to do the same is viewed as a mental handicap of some type?

Theres an AMAZING amount of irony and double standard here. Expected considering the batshit crazy liberals we have, but wow. I didnt even think the ATDU liberals were that bad.

This place never disappoints.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007

Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy. :)

Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.

FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.

Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.

I'm completely serious.

Ok. Will you pay for it? Donation maybe?

I doubt there's any therapy for hateful folks like yourself, except perhaps a lobotomy.

I guess all the batshit crazy liberals forgot all the hatred and vitriol they spouted over the past few years.

Remember kids, everyone is equal. Some are more equal then others. Its ok to talk badly of Republicans and its ok to steal others money for social programs but its not ok to speak badly of liberals nor should liberals be required to donate their own money.

Gotchya. :)
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Seek professional help. You are dangerously paranoid and your description of the people who live around you is badly deluded.

I'm completely serious.

Ahhh, the age old "Your crazy, thats not true". Seen it before. No, I'm perfectly normal and it IS true. You DO want to steal my money to give to knuckledraggers.

You DO want to have more government telling me what I can and cannot do. You just dont think so because in your warped little mind all of this is good and its whats needed, so you dont see the evils of it. More to the point those who oppose bigger .gov and more taxes are considered evil, crazy or otherwise beneath you in some way.

No, you really aren't normal. You're creating caricatured enemies out of fringe viewpoints, attempting to assign them to large swaths of society that you must fight (and actively wish harm upon), and creating an aura of paranoia and persecution around yourself based on virtually nothing. Again, this is dangerously paranoid.

There are a few other options, you could know that what you're saying is bullshit in which case you're just being a jackass, and there's a small chance you've been so sheltered that you actually believe it but only through ignorance. Other than that, you seriously need help.

Let me make sure I understand this, for my own sake.

If a ATDU poster comes on railing against the "Bushwhackos" and their supporters and they should be considered traitors and be jailed or worse thats ok. But to turn around and describe the opposite party, Democrats (or liberals, a subset thereof) as anything other then calm, normal and rational invites attacks of being crazy and in need of professional help?

So what your saying is that ultimately its ok for one side to wish all manner of punishment and pain to the other, but then in turn for that side to do the same is viewed as a mental handicap of some type?

Theres an AMAZING amount of irony and double standard here. Expected considering the batshit crazy liberals we have, but wow. I didnt even think the ATDU liberals were that bad.

This place never disappoints.
you dont understand.

your enemies are conjured up in your head.

Bush and his admin have done some pretty F'd up stuff in their time in power. It can be argued that they violated international law in a few ways (Look up Harvey's macros if you dont believe me) In short, Bush deserves the criticism.

The criticism you level at "Bleeding Heart Tightwads" (with respect to this OP) is as eskimospy stated.... a caricature of enemies that you created. The "facts" are debunked...all you have left are your biases.

and you never disappoint when it comes to showing us all of your biases.

edit: and what does ATDU mean?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Nothing says people have to stop donating just because they lose the tax deduction for it...if people REALLY want to donate, they will. Just eliminate the government subsidy.

You're confusing a subsidy with a deduction or exemption. While some non-profits do indeed receive gov't funds for various purposes, they do not as a group receive subsidies. They do however receive tax exemptions.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I Googled, looking for a study showing how much churches, on average, spend on charity and other things.

How Churches Spend Money
John C. LaRue, Jr.

After completing the long process of preparing an annual church budget, you may wonder how your congregation compares to others. Here's one way. YOUR CHURCH has just completed a major study on church budgets, including such topics as indebtedness, insurance, property values, and pastor salaries. This report, based on that study, is the first of a series on churches and money.

According to the study, staff compensation accounts for more than 40 percent of an average church's budget. Large churches with annual budgets of more than $500,000 appropriate an average of 40 percent of their budget to staff pay. This is slightly less than the typical 46 percent that's allocated by smaller churches with annual budgets of less than $500,000.

Building Costs

Keeping a church facility going grabs the second largest piece of the budget pie; about $2 of every $10. Churches, large and small, dedicate about the same percentage of their budgets to paying off, maintaining, and protecting their property.

Link

It appears running a church exhausts about 60% of an average church's budget, leaving only 40% for charity, but who knows how much of that is actually spent on charitable efforts? Certainly lends credence to the argument that meeting in a grassy field instead of an ostentatious edifice would go a long way towards sending more of the church's money to places where it does the most good.

Another study by the same site, looked at nearly 1,200 churches and how they spend their money. This gets really interesting.

Our Study

Those figures are high compared to what we learned from the study YOUR CHURCH recently completed on churches and their budgets. A total of 1,184 surveys were mailed, with a response rate of 23 percent. A more detailed analysis of those findings will be presented in a series of Special Reports, beginning in this issue ("How Churches Spend Money"). But, briefly, the study shows that the average-size budget of the churches surveyed is $292,790. Here's how the pie is divided:

43 percent for staff compensation
20 percent for facilities (rent, mortgage, utilities, upkeep)
16 percent for missions
9 percent for church programs
6 percent for administration and supplies
3 percent for denominational fees
3 percent other.

Link

I'd say that 16% for "missions" is where the church is spending money that benefits those who need it most. You might argue that the 9% for church programs might help people too, depending on what programs they're referring to.

But at best, you have 16%-25% of an average church's budget going towards helping people. And you have to wonder how many of their "missions" are truthfully just evangelical missions to proselytize and not truly charitable missions where they're helping the less fortunate.

Kinda pathetic if you ask me. It appears something on the order of 75%+ of a church's budget goes to simply maintaining the church itself. Frankly, that money isn't helping anyone, except the people who mistakenly worship the building itself and not their god.

Those numbers sound about right. About 60% of the donations go towards maintaining the church the rest off to charity in some shape or form.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: OrByte
you dont understand.

your enemies are conjured up in your head.

Bush and his admin have done some pretty F'd up stuff in their time in power. It can be argued that they violated international law in a few ways (Look up Harvey's macros if you dont believe me) In short, Bush deserves the criticism.

The criticism you level at "Bleeding Heart Tightwads" (with respect to this OP) is as eskimospy stated.... a caricature of enemies that you created. The "facts" are debunked...all you have left are your biases.

and you never disappoint when it comes to showing us all of your biases.

edit: and what does ATDU mean?

I think the example is lost on you. In fact, I know it is.

AT Democratic Underground.
 

piasabird

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There are a lot of things that are under-reported as donations to the poor like community service projects and time spent on things like the bucket brigade and habitat for humanity and other things that are just taken for granted. The time spent on those types of projects are rewarding to the person but hard to claim for the time spent so a lot of people do not claim their time. Sweat equity from real people is sometimes more valuable than money.

A year or so ago I saw a film about how our church was giving away wheelchairs to needy people. The only problem is transporting them to Africa. So they looked for someone with a plane that sometimes traveled overseas and convinced the guy to make a stop on his route to deliver the wheelchairs. This businessman was so impressed from the experience that he considered it worthwhile. When you see a person that has crawled miles for a chance to get to the location to get a wheelchair it has the power to change your life forever.
 

jonks

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I was going to start calling certain people various derogatory names, but instead I shall be charitable.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I only scanned the first post but it didn't seem to be trolling to me...


If it was meant for a civil discussion maybe not but the OP's comment made sure that won't happen. However it's no different than threads started by Liberals just to slam Conservatives.

BTW I think over the last 4 years about this time this same subject is brought up so it's almost a Christmas tradition here in P&N.

Wait, its NOT a tradition??
Damnit! Ok, delete the thread.

Anyways, the point is thats its pretty damned funny how many on here whine and cry about "helping the poor!" and how we need to "save the children" and it invariably comes back to more social spending. But when one looks at the numbers it seems the people most concerned about helping are doing the least to help!Ironing, its not just for laundry.
-- exactly!! Such as religious institutions......take alook around how many churches there are in the country and look and see how many are feeding the hungry...putting clothges on peoples backs and helping them have a warm place to stay for the night....just doesn`t add up does it?

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: OrByte
you dont understand.

your enemies are conjured up in your head.

Bush and his admin have done some pretty F'd up stuff in their time in power. It can be argued that they violated international law in a few ways (Look up Harvey's macros if you dont believe me) In short, Bush deserves the criticism.

The criticism you level at "Bleeding Heart Tightwads" (with respect to this OP) is as eskimospy stated.... a caricature of enemies that you created. The "facts" are debunked...all you have left are your biases.

and you never disappoint when it comes to showing us all of your biases.

edit: and what does ATDU mean?

I think the example is lost on you. In fact, I know it is.

AT Democratic Underground.

Yeah, this place is like DU :roll:

See the difference between liberal posters and neoconservative posters is that the liberals can smell shit a mile away and will avoid it all costs. Neocons must walk right up to it, stick their nose directly into the shit, before they knows something smells foul. Neocons NEED company, the NEED the comfort of finding others that are just like them so they can always have a yes man to crawl back to when they get their ass handed to them here. Liberals are not like that. We have our own opinions and don't need affirmation on a daily basis to convince ourselves we are right.

There are only a handful of liberal posters here that mirror the kinds of posters you find at DU. On the other hand, the vast majority of neocons posting here may as well have one foot in ATPN and the other directly planted at Free Republic at all times. You can't tell the difference. When you mature, you might figure this out. You are what you despise.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
-- exactly!! Such as religious institutions......take alook around how many churches there are in the country and look and see how many are feeding the hungry...putting clothges on peoples backs and helping them have a warm place to stay for the night....just doesn`t add up does it?

Those numbers are posted earlier in this thread.

I would bet 25% (tops) of a churchs budget beats the pants off the 0% liberals give. :)
 

Craig234

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I think charity and government programs each have their place.

When you want something done, when you want something to represent the society, when you want the 'cheapskate' to pay his fair share as well as the generous, you tax.

I'm happy for things that are not appropriate as societal-wide programs to get paid for by those who want, and not by those who don't.

But I don't liike seeing the few most generous people give so much more than their share and the least generous give nothing while the needs go unmet.

Not to mention the unreliability of relyig on charity for important needs.

I think the right tends to have a pretty confused approach to this issue, mixing a lot of 'personal moral' issues with giving that results in a pretty impractical approach.

Personal morality is key, but the systematic method that's effective IMO is for the majority to pick its causes, and budget for them, and tax to fund the budget.

The OP and so many on the right love to throw around false attacks about 'spending other peoples' money', but of course we pay the taxes too as much as the Republicans. This is why you see so many liberals say they are happy to pay more in taxes when it goes for good things.

It's a little like the old line about telling people if they like paying taxes so much, there's a big deficit, send a check. In fact, millions do go to the government from donors to pay down the debt, but it's a joke compared to what's needed. For you to send a check to the government for that while 99.9% of people don't is a joke - it makes you a 'sucker' and doesn't make a dent in paying off the debt. What's needed is to set an appropriate budget and have everyone who makes enough pay their fair share.

Charity is great - and hugely inadequate for our society's needs.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Nothing says people have to stop donating just because they lose the tax deduction for it...if people REALLY want to donate, they will. Just eliminate the government subsidy.

You're confusing a subsidy with a deduction or exemption. While some non-profits do indeed receive gov't funds for various purposes, they do not as a group receive subsidies. They do however receive tax exemptions.

I'm not confusing anything...allowing the taxable deduction is a de-facto subsidy...and should be stopped.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Nothing says people have to stop donating just because they lose the tax deduction for it...if people REALLY want to donate, they will. Just eliminate the government subsidy.

You're confusing a subsidy with a deduction or exemption. While some non-profits do indeed receive gov't funds for various purposes, they do not as a group receive subsidies. They do however receive tax exemptions.

I'm not confusing anything...allowing the taxable deduction is a de-facto subsidy...and should be stopped.

Mursilis, it appears you are discussing the 'technical definitions', while boomerd's point is that it's 'in effect' a subsidy.

I like the motive behind the deduction, to encourage charitable donation, but the problems with abuse seem huge, and I'm not sure we're better off not eliminating it.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy. :)

Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.

FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
I wonder how nutjobs like you vented before there was the Internet?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

You mean like the last 8 years of your side's "constructive exchange"? :laugh:

Seriously though -it's quite entertaining to see all the twisted panties over this...
Yeah that's the Christmas Spirit, spread the good cheer:roll:

Ah, so one side has to bend over and spread their good cheer so the other can bone them? Puhfugginleeze. BJ and eskimo got what they were giving.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy

No, you really aren't normal. You're creating caricatured enemies out of fringe viewpoints, attempting to assign them to large swaths of society that you must fight (and actively wish harm upon), and creating an aura of paranoia and persecution around yourself based on virtually nothing. Again, this is dangerously paranoid.

There are a few other options, you could know that what you're saying is bullshit in which case you're just being a jackass, and there's a small chance you've been so sheltered that you actually believe it but only through ignorance. Other than that, you seriously need help.

Let me make sure I understand this, for my own sake.

If a ATDU poster comes on railing against the "Bushwhackos" and their supporters and they should be considered traitors and be jailed or worse thats ok. But to turn around and describe the opposite party, Democrats (or liberals, a subset thereof) as anything other then calm, normal and rational invites attacks of being crazy and in need of professional help?

So what your saying is that ultimately its ok for one side to wish all manner of punishment and pain to the other, but then in turn for that side to do the same is viewed as a mental handicap of some type?

Theres an AMAZING amount of irony and double standard here. Expected considering the batshit crazy liberals we have, but wow. I didnt even think the ATDU liberals were that bad.

This place never disappoints.

Are you just making things up now? I never said that any of that was okay, nor did I ever put forth any of the opinions you are trying to place opposite of yours. There are plenty of crazy people on the left too, but their existence doesn't make yours any less insane.

Just listen to yourself, look at the foamy mouthed posts you make, the ridiculous and blind assaults on huge groups of enemies, think to yourself... "is this normal"?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

You mean like the last 8 years of your side's "constructive exchange"? :laugh:

Seriously though -it's quite entertaining to see all the twisted panties over this...
Yeah that's the Christmas Spirit, spread the good cheer:roll:

Ah, so one side has to bend over and spread their good cheer so the other can bone them? Puhfugginleeze. BJ and eskimo got what they were giving.

All well I hope you being able to rant against Liberals to your heart's content gives you some pleasure. I hope in real life you're not fucked up like SpecOp is and when you leave these forums you leave the bitterness here and don't carry on in real life like him.
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"
Interesting the mental gymnastics one must go through to come to the conclusion that liberal and conservative giving are essentially equivalent. Let's see...let's eliminate the largest giving faction from the equation from one subset...see that...they're both about equal now...I feel so much better about myself and everyone who doesn't see the lie of this charitable giving fallacy is an idiot. Amazing logic...just amazing.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
-- exactly!! Such as religious institutions......take alook around how many churches there are in the country and look and see how many are feeding the hungry...putting clothges on peoples backs and helping them have a warm place to stay for the night....just doesn`t add up does it?

Those numbers are posted earlier in this thread.

I would bet 25% (tops) of a churchs budget beats the pants off the 0% liberals give. :)

I seriously would doubt it!! I would also serioudly question your figure of 25% of a churches budget goes towards feeding and clothing and helping the homeless in any way....

Another novel concept that you fail to grasp....
Quite a few liberals attend church or synagogue and also contribute.......yet you are assuming that because somebody is liberal they don`t attend church!...hmmmm

If you want to get technical Jesus was a liberal.....


You also are assuming that liberals don`t care about the poor, hungry and homeless...that is so far from the truth.

Peace!!
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"
Interesting the mental gymnastics one must go through to come to the conclusion that liberal and conservative giving are essentially equivalent. Let's see...let's eliminate the largest giving faction from the equation from one subset...see that...they're both about equal now...I feel so much better about myself and everyone who doesn't see the lie of this charitable giving fallacy is an idiot. Amazing logic...just amazing.

Well if you read the study that is what he and others did to the "liberal" charities so that the republican group like it gave more.

But I am sure you read into the study and how they got their data and what data they cut out, right? You are not one of the idiots that just reads the headlines and believes whatever it says, right?