Blame the Rich..

[MagickMan]

Wow, aren't you special. Not

I've never seen a scrap metal collector that isn't a thief and Bounty Hunters that don't break the law.

What completely wrong assumptions, as usual. I bought bankruptcy repos, the stuff no one else wanted, then separated what was there and sold most of it as scrap to be recycled. As for bounties, I sometimes worked for a friend to pick-up bail jumpers.

So now we all know how you got ill gotten rich.

and you really expect anyone to believe you worked 80+ hours every week for 20 years? and if you really did, you've admitted you've had no life other than working. How very sad.

I worked really hard for 22 years, but now I'm in my early 40s, retired, and very comfortable. While you're some kid crying and throwing a tantrum because the world isn't just giving you what you want. This is the best tip you'll ever get; life's not fair, but nature does reward cunning and perseverance. No one owes you anything and if you're doing without it means you're habitually making bad choices and/or lazy. Get off your ass and make something more of yourself, and stop blaming others for your own deficiencies, bud.

 

[shortylickens]

No offense Dave I mean you seem like a worldly guy, if not a very old one with loads of experience, but I have a very hard time believing you've personally hung out with such a multitude of bounty hunters that you can make any sort of judgement about the group, to say nothing of scrap metal collectors.

 

[MagickMan]

No offense Dave I mean you seem like a worldly guy, if not a very old one with loads of experience, but I have a very hard time believing you've personally hung out with such a multitude of bounty hunters that you can make any sort of judgement about the group, to say nothing of scrap metal collectors.

He watched Dog: The Bounty Hunter, surely that's enough, right? I think he has them confused with repo men. :hmm:

 

[shortylickens]

Also, fuck you for being retired.


GIVE ME SOME OF YOUR MONEY IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH!!!

 

[MagickMan]

LOL! "Retired" for me means I only work 30-40 hours each week, instead of 80. I'm not working for anyone though, and never will again, and that's a good feeling. As for giving anything away, I only give to St Jude's and the JDRF. Oh, and those guys with the funny hats who hand out papers at intersections (Shriners), they block the road until I pony up some cash.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No, it's both parties screwing the working class.

A direct quote from post # 2 in this thread: "Thank Bill Clinton for NAFTA."

Who authored that post?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Wouldn't have passed without strong Democratic support. Glad to see you place team politics over actual issues.

From post # 13 in this thread: "A Republican president could've never passed it but since a Democrat was in office it wasn't opposed like it should have been."

Who authored that post?

 

[dmcowen674]

What completely wrong assumptions, as usual. I bought bankruptcy repos, the stuff no one else wanted, then separated what was there and sold most of it as scrap to be recycled. As for bounties, I sometimes worked for a friend to pick-up bail jumpers.

I worked really hard for 22 years, but now I'm in my early 40s, retired, and very comfortable. While you're some kid crying and throwing a tantrum because the world isn't just giving you what you want. This is the best tip you'll ever get; life's not fair, but nature does reward cunning and perseverance. No one owes you anything and if you're doing without it means you're habitually making bad choices and/or lazy. Get off your ass and make something more of yourself, and stop blaming others for your own deficiencies, bud.

Which is it.

You "worked 80+ hrs every week for 20 years"

or now "I worked really hard for 22 years"

Huge difference in number of hours

The fact that you are trying to defend suggests I am right as usual.

Where did I say anyone owes me anything?

Where did I blame anyone for any deficiencies?

What do you know about me that suggests I am lazy, on my ass and make bad choices?

Looks like you are the one with said complexes, not me.

and you're wrong on the Bank Repos too.

It's stuff people wanted but many through no fault of their own like losing a job because of the rich like you sending the job overseas could no longer afford.

Oh and how exciting it must have been for you to go after people already down because of said rich people like yourself sending jobs overseas.

How pathetic. Like I said, no life.

 

[MagickMan]

Which is it.

You "worked 80+ hrs every week for 20 years"

or now "I worked really hard for 22 years"

Huge difference in number of hours

The fact that you are trying to defend suggests I am right as usual.

Where did I say anyone owes me anything?

Where did I blame anyone for any deficiencies?

What do you know about me that suggests I am lazy, on my ass and make bad choices?

Looks like you are the one with said complexes, not me.

and you're wrong on the Bank Repos too.

It's stuff people wanted but many through no fault of their own like losing a job because of the rich like you sending the job overseas could no longer afford.

Oh and how exciting it must have been for you to go after people already down because of said rich people like yourself sending jobs overseas.

How pathetic. Like I said, no life.

Damn, you're a silly cu*t, you haven't been right yet! I worked really hard, 80+ hours a week for 22 years, but I did like it because I chose to do things that I found interesting.

You know if you spent the time working that you waste online, in 20 years you could retire comfortably and be one of the 1% that you hate so much. :whiste:

 

[bshole]

Oh horse shit, "the rich" don't care about the middle class, they care about buying cool stuff and taking vacations. You're looking for an aggressive agenda where none exists.

The middle class is dying because middle class jobs are going away. Why? Because it's cheaper to buy shit from other countries. Want to see it come back? Repeal NAFTA, repeal all the other trade agreements, put a 20-25% tariff on everything imported into the USA that isn't food, and give deeper cuts to companies who build factories here. Take that plan to Obama and his cronies, see what they think. Oh wait, he's too busy farming out his own healthcare system to Ireland. Fucking politicians.

Of course the problem with that is how do we force companies in America to pay people what they paid them in the past? Real wages have been consistently falling since 1978 (except of the CEO class). People are getting paid less to do the exact same jobs, while at the same tiime paying MUCH more for health care and other things. The middle class is making less than the working poor of the mid 70s.

Currently the United States has a bigger wealth disparity than any other developed country on earth. Our wealth disparity is approaching 3rd world nation levels. With wealth disparity comes corruption of the political system and the loss of democracy. Billionaires are now purchasing elections in America, this is something that could never happen in Japan or Germany.

We are rushing towards another labor revolution in America. It will happen. When the "middle class" can no longer work or borrow its way into a decent standard of living, it will happen.

I strongly strongly strongly advise everybody to watch http://inequalityforall.com/ the absolute best description of the problem ever. Robert Reich is a fucking genuis.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course the problem with that is how do we force companies in America to pay people what they paid them in the past?

You don't. From a dispassionate perspective, the best that the American People can hope for is partial compensation through taxes & redistribution.

I don't have to like that to see it as economic self defense. We did a much better job of it in the years between the crash of '29 & the ascendancy of Reaganomics.

 

[MagickMan]

Of course the problem with that is how do we force companies in America to pay people what they paid them in the past? Real wages have been consistently falling since 1978 (except of the CEO class). People are getting paid less to do the exact same jobs, while at the same tiime paying MUCH more for health care and other things. The middle class is making less than the working poor of the mid 70s.

Currently the United States has a bigger wealth disparity than any other developed country on earth. Our wealth disparity is approaching 3rd world nation levels. With wealth disparity comes corruption of the political system and the loss of democracy. Billionaires are now purchasing elections in America, this is something that could never happen in Japan or Germany.

We are rushing towards another labor revolution in America. It will happen. When the "middle class" can no longer work or borrow its way into a decent standard of living, it will happen.

I strongly strongly strongly advise everybody to watch http://inequalityforall.com/ the absolute best description of the problem ever. Robert Reich is a fucking genuis.

I see the problem. You, and McOwned, are blaming the "average" rich/wealthy person aka. "1%er" for what the .000001% are doing. That's akin to say France sucks because Parisian shop owners are almost universally obnoxious, when the truth is, just like anywhere else, the average citizen is a nice person.

In the US, only ~1 person in a million is a billionaire, which leaves almost all of the other 4,199,580 in the top 1%; small business owners, actors, pro athletes, trust fund brats, and private investors wondering what in the hell is going on, since they aren't trying to "buy elections" or subjugate anyone. Like I said before, rich people don't care about the middle class, they care about buying cool stuff and taking vacations. You're looking for an aggressive agenda where none exists.

Go shake your fist at the big multinationals and the federal government, give them hell over 20 years of horrendous trade agreements, in exchange for "campaign contributions", and allowing 40% of manufacturing jobs to go overseas. There's your collapsing middle class.

 

[Matt1970]

Of course the problem with that is how do we force companies in America to pay people what they paid them in the past? Real wages have been consistently falling since 1978 (except of the CEO class). People are getting paid less to do the exact same jobs, while at the same tiime paying MUCH more for health care and other things. The middle class is making less than the working poor of the mid 70s.

Currently the United States has a bigger wealth disparity than any other developed country on earth. Our wealth disparity is approaching 3rd world nation levels. With wealth disparity comes corruption of the political system and the loss of democracy. Billionaires are now purchasing elections in America, this is something that could never happen in Japan or Germany.

We are rushing towards another labor revolution in America. It will happen. When the "middle class" can no longer work or borrow its way into a decent standard of living, it will happen.

I strongly strongly strongly advise everybody to watch http://inequalityforall.com/ the absolute best description of the problem ever. Robert Reich is a fucking genuis.

Robert Reich is a fucking moron.

 

[bshole]

Robert Reich is a fucking moron.

Gee, graduated SUMMA CUM LAUDE, Rhodes Scholar, one of the Ten Best Cabinet Members of the century according to Time, sixth "Most Influential Business Thinkers" according to the Wall Street Journal, multiple best selling books and predicting all of the shit that is happening right now in America BACK in the early 80s.

Let me guess, Rush Limbaugh is a genuis?

 

[Matt1970]

Gee, graduated SUMMA CUM LAUDE, Rhodes Scholar, one of the Ten Best Cabinet Members of the century according to Time, sixth "Most Influential Business Thinkers" according to the Wall Street Journal, multiple best selling books and predicting all of the shit that is happening right now in America BACK in the early 80s.

Let me guess, Rush Limbaugh is a genuis?

And yet every time he opens his mouth, out comes tried, tested and failed methods but "This time they will work". Robert Reich is yet another multi-millionaire who made a great deal of money criticizing they very system that made him wealthy. Robert Reich knows god damn well that if the systems were in place that he pushes for that he wouldn't have even come close to making the kind of money he has. That, or he's a moron, take your pic. Than again same goes for you.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Robert Reich is yet another multi-millionaire who made a great deal of money criticizing they very system that made him wealthy. Robert Reich knows god damn well that if the systems were in place that he pushes for that he wouldn't have even come close to making the kind of money he has.

Are you of the opinion that you can't be opposed to a system that benefits you? I'm not familiar with Reich's opinions, but if he's opposed to what he perceives as inequality in the system, is he supposed to just not work rather than potentially benefit from an unfair system? I know that Warren Buffet has publicly said the rich investor class should pay higher taxes even though he currently benefits from the system that's in place; is he wrong to hold that opinion? At what point is it OK to speak out against a system that materially benefits you?

 

[Zaap]

I know that Warren Buffet has publicly said the rich investor class should pay higher taxes even though he currently benefits from the system that's in place; is he wrong to hold that opinion? At what point is it OK to speak out against a system that materially benefits you?

I don't know about Reich, but Warren Buffet is a jackass, and his so-called "opinion" on taxes is nothing more than him laughing his ass off at how gullible people are, and how easily played.

The IRS is still trying to collect up to 1 billion that Berkshire Hathaway owes from 2002 forward.

He knows that he'd have angry mobs of class-envy types wanting to tar and feather him for all the tax evation and money scheming to benefit himself that he does. But instead, he plays those same people like the utter morons most of them are, by creating this bullshit persona that whines for paying more taxes. It's so transparent it's laughable, but then, he's smart enough to know how easy it is to fool most people, especially the types that don't do much but eyeball everyone else's bottom line.

 

[Jhhnn]

And yet every time he opens his mouth, out comes tried, tested and failed methods but "This time they will work".

What methods? And when didn't they work?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Very true

Takes money to travel overseas. Most of us lowly Americans don't have that kind of money and never will.

I've never been off this rock. My wife and I spent $350 for passports back on 2007 thinking or a I should say hoping to at least take a cruise which would have been first time either of us to another Country off this rock.

Never got the money together and looks like never will.

We'll keep working and hoping but know the reality is against it ever happening.

This is the reality for those like us that live check to check every month with nothing left in the bank account at the end of the month after paying bills.

That is the point of threads like this.

The spirit of Americans has been broken. Only a revolution against the Corporations and the rich that run them that did to us will anything change. There is no doubt it's coming, just a matter of time.

seriously? what kind of low/dead end job are you working where you can't afford an overseas vacation?
or is it just poor money managing skills?

 

[Jhhnn]

I see the problem. You, and McOwned, are blaming the "average" rich/wealthy person aka. "1%er" for what the .000001% are doing.

Which side of the argument do the other 99% of the 1% adhere to? Do you have to be a billionaire to contribute to Heritage, Cato, Americans for Prosperity, Club for Growth, & the myriad other interlocking bits of the right wing media & perception manipulation machine?

Would they take my money if I were only worth $50M?

Of course, and they've created all kinds of vehicles to accomplish that-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7cfd9a-719b-11e3-9389-09ef9944065e_story.html

OTOH, just because well financed right wing propaganda is the best in the business, other than maybe the Israelis, that doesn't mean you have to believe it. They are really good at getting all those judgmental & self righteous juices flowing, though.

You love the way it feels, I can tell.

 

[OutHouse]

Blame the rich? How about blame every person who votes with their wallet and buys the cheapest, most disposable shit they can find that almost always is manufactured in China.

What are my choices?

?

 

[Incorruptible]

Of course the problem with that is how do we force companies in America to pay people what they paid them in the past? Real wages have been consistently falling since 1978 (except of the CEO class). People are getting paid less to do the exact same jobs, while at the same tiime paying MUCH more for health care and other things. The middle class is making less than the working poor of the mid 70s.

Currently the United States has a bigger wealth disparity than any other developed country on earth. Our wealth disparity is approaching 3rd world nation levels. With wealth disparity comes corruption of the political system and the loss of democracy. Billionaires are now purchasing elections in America, this is something that could never happen in Japan or Germany.

We are rushing towards another labor revolution in America. It will happen. When the "middle class" can no longer work or borrow its way into a decent standard of living, it will happen.

I strongly strongly strongly advise everybody to watch http://inequalityforall.com/ the absolute best description of the problem ever. Robert Reich is a fucking genuis.

Robert Reich is an idiot.

You don't. From a dispassionate perspective, the best that the American People can hope for is partial compensation through taxes & redistribution.

I don't have to like that to see it as economic self defense. We did a much better job of it in the years between the crash of '29 & the ascendancy of Reaganomics.

The New Deal was a horrible idea and the government doesn't have the right to engage in wealth redistribution. Socialism is a complete failure.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by PricklyPete
Blame the rich? How about blame every person who votes with their wallet and buys the cheapest, most disposable shit they can find that almost always is manufactured in China.

What are my choices?

?

You expect an answer???

 

[MagickMan]

Are you of the opinion that you can't be opposed to a system that benefits you? I'm not familiar with Reich's opinions, but if he's opposed to what he perceives as inequality in the system, is he supposed to just not work rather than potentially benefit from an unfair system? I know that Warren Buffet has publicly said the rich investor class should pay higher taxes even though he currently benefits from the system that's in place; is he wrong to hold that opinion? At what point is it OK to speak out against a system that materially benefits you?

The rich "investor class" does pay more, the tax breaks ended and now we pay nearly 40% (in cap gains) in federal taxes alone, which are some of the highest in the world.

 

[Jhhnn]

Robert Reich is an idiot.

As if your ideological blinders even begin to allow you to comprehend Reich, let alone criticize him.

The New Deal was a horrible idea and the government doesn't have the right to engage in wealth redistribution. Socialism is a complete failure.

Of course govt has the constitutional right to redistribute wealth & income. It's been that way for a very long time. Witness progressive income taxes & estate taxes.

Socialism is a failure? Back in the 30's, the New Deal was what they could figure out to do to clean up the wreckage left behind in the collapse of of financialized free market capitalism. Some of it survives today.

We're in the same clean up mode today, just with different programs, more effective, I think.

Our mistake was in letting go of the New Deal headset, not wearing it in the first place.

If free market capitalism is so great, why does it fail so spectacularly?