Black-White-East Asian IQ differences at least 50% **

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Yawn

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: QueHuong
I remember a poll a while ago where 50% of this forum voted that there is a genetic difference between whites and blacks regarding intelligence. Now that this article includes Asians, where have all those people gone? 😕

Right here and the previous discussion included Asians

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
This is an interesting subject but I think it's funny how the "free thinking" PC movement wants you to stop thinking about this subject.

How can you honestly believe that somehow all these people from different areas of Earth evolved to look so different, be different sizes, different strengths, different everything... yet still somehow be 100% equal in regards to intelligence? You don't think it's possible that one group took a slightly different evolutionary path and evolved more intelligence?

Playing the "whitey keeping us down" card only gets you so far. It doesn't explain why some groups turn out to be more intelligent than whites, while others are less intelligent.

I let the test scores speak for themselves. This isn't a fluke. As long as SAT scores have been recorded, certain groups have always done better than others. This is a plain fact, and you can't weasel your way around it. You also can't weasel your way around the fact that no white guy has ever been able to run a sub-10 second 100m dash, while plenty of athletes of Western African descent have been able to do it. People from Kenya seem to dominate marathon events. This isn't a rare occurance, the people from that area are just make better marathon runners.

Can't people read the writing on the wall? Some groups of people that evolved in certain areas of Earth have different capabilities than others. They have their own set of strongpoints/weakpoints.

Now like Dijobi said, I don't know if you'd call that "race", since the categories are way too broad. But you can see that people who evolved in certain areas of Earth do have genetically prevalent strongpoints/weakpoints.

Yeah I generally agree with this in the sense... that there are clearly differences between peoples of different specific genetic background.... which is pretty darn regional. However I would argue that intelligence is so difficult to quantify... to call someone more "intelligent" is like calling someone more "athletic".

Would you say Magnus Magnusen from norway who can drag an airliner with pure physical strength is more or less "athletic" than Akintude Lawal from NIgeria who can run a sub 10 second 100?

It's too abstract a concept. And I think someone who gets so caught up in trying to point out how x "race" is more intelligent than x "race" is wasting their time. It's pretty much irrelevant... either the individual has enough intelligence to handle the situation or problem they are presented with or not.

I'm a jewish male... so according to all these "studies" I'm supposed to have a higher IQ score and SAT and yet, I know lots of Black people, asians, hispanics, whites, who are all smarter than I am. This "exception" alone debunks the usefullness of such "studies".

Judge the individual. That is all that matters.

-Max

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Doboji

I'm a jewish male... so according to all these "studies" I'm supposed to have a higher IQ score and SAT and yet, I know lots of Black people, asians, hispanics, whites, who are all smarter than I am. This "exception" alone debunks the usefullness of such "studies".

Judge the individual. That is all that matters.

-Max

Uhmm....that is because even if you grouped people by race and drew a distribution of their IQs it would essentially be a bell curve. If you overlapped the bell curves created for all the races into one distribution then the medians would all be at a slightly different place but a large part of each distribution would be overlapping a large portion of all the others. Basically you could be around peolple of other races that are on the extreme high end of the distibution for their race or you could be on the extreme low end of the distribution for your race. Your example does not debunk these studies or prove anything except that you don't know much about what you are talking about.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Doboji

I'm a jewish male... so according to all these "studies" I'm supposed to have a higher IQ score and SAT and yet, I know lots of Black people, asians, hispanics, whites, who are all smarter than I am. This "exception" alone debunks the usefullness of such "studies".

Judge the individual. That is all that matters.

-Max

Uhmm....that is because even if you grouped people by race and drew a distribution of their IQs it would essentially be a bell curve. If you overlapped the bell curves created for all the races into one distribution then the medians would all be at a slightly different place but a large part of each distribution would be overlapping a large portion of all the others. Basically you could be around peolple of other races that are on the extreme high end of the distibution for their race or you could be on the extreme low end of the distribution for your race. Your example does not debunk these studies or prove anything except that you don't know much about what you are talking about.

And your obsession with trying to differentiate the intelligence of different racial groups means you are an idiot.... fortunately your furer is dead, and your kind is the exception rather than the rule.

 

[FreshPrince]

genetics? probably..

back in the day, all the big dumb slaves were kept alive because they can do more work, and be better controlled. I would say give black people another hundred years to play catch up.

Was this wrong and unfailr? Absolutely!

But hey, who wouldn't want "other" people to wash their clothes and farm their land for them? :evil:

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Doboji

I'm a jewish male... so according to all these "studies" I'm supposed to have a higher IQ score and SAT and yet, I know lots of Black people, asians, hispanics, whites, who are all smarter than I am. This "exception" alone debunks the usefullness of such "studies".

Judge the individual. That is all that matters.

-Max

Uhmm....that is because even if you grouped people by race and drew a distribution of their IQs it would essentially be a bell curve. If you overlapped the bell curves created for all the races into one distribution then the medians would all be at a slightly different place but a large part of each distribution would be overlapping a large portion of all the others. Basically you could be around peolple of other races that are on the extreme high end of the distibution for their race or you could be on the extreme low end of the distribution for your race. Your example does not debunk these studies or prove anything except that you don't know much about what you are talking about.

And your obsession with trying to differentiate the intelligence of different racial groups means you are an idiot.... fortunately your furer is dead, and your kind is the exception rather than the rule.

I'm not trying to differentiate anything. A small difference in the median of IQs for any given race does not prove a whole lot but it sure seems to get your panties in a bunch. I am sorry you are on the lower end of the distribution curve and cannot grasp this concept. I'm white so why wouldn't I be pissed at the Asians supposedly having a higher median IQ? I am not. It means nothing to me. I have always scored in the top 1 percentile of all my academics so these things don't mean a lot to me. In my academic life I was always smarter than most of the Asians I went to school with anyway but that wouldn't discount the possibility of the median IQs of Asians still being higher than that of Whites.

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

so you're telling me that black people (genetic mix with white black and native american) are somehow generally less intelligent than white people, because of IQ tests back in the 60s when racism was an institutionalized phenomenon? And you expect me to buy that and respect your stupidity? You've interacted with black people and you can really believe this to be the case? Wow... I'm amazed... you're actually sitting here suggesting that black people are somehow 15% less intelligent than white people? WOW.... just wow...

seriously go die alone somewhere.

and to the other person with the IQ clearly of less than 65....ronstang.... what facts has he presented? And the idiotic link to a guy who is clearly as biased as all hell is totally stupid and irrelevant... you should go die somewhere too.

:heart:

-Max

Yes. Sorry.
I've interacted with Asians and find them to be on average more capable of learning.

Also notice that this is not just a study from the 60s. Every study I have ever read on the subject comes to the same conclusion.

Interesting because many professors I know, mainly Indian and Caucasian have noticed that Asians in general are very bad at abstract thinking. They are not good at essays or creative writing and in general their coding is very structured but lacking independent thought. I personally just think this is due to their culture. But I would assume that you would think this is a genetic trait. Is the Asians lack of strength and athletic ability also a genetic trait?

Late to reply to this, but here's my take on it.
The people in Asia doesn't like creative writing via flowery languages, we like to write to the point and precise with the least words possible. Metaphors and similies are just a waste of time. You know what's deemed as good poetry in Asia? Chinese for examples, we can only use four characters proverbs that can describe any situations. It's hard to describe the intricacy of these proverbs if you don't understand the structure of the Chinese language.

 

[necine]

I'm black and my professionally tested IQ is 142. This is bunk.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

9. Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

According to this theory the groups who travelled the farthest distance from Africa should have higher IQ's. Do IQ results of Native Americans correlate with this theory?

Native American's average IQ score is very similar to Europeans, but their sub IQ scores correlates with their East Asian origins:

Verbal score, lower than Europeans

Visual Spatial score, substantially higher than Europeans

These patterns are identical to East Asian's IQ

 

[Chronoshock]

Originally posted by: necine
I'm black and my professionally tested IQ is 142. This is bunk.

I hope you realize that means nothing here, we're talking about averages and medians not extremes. No one is debating whether or not there are smart black people; there obviously are, you're one of them. The issue at hand is what the typical black, white, or asian scores on an IQ test. It isn't about how you do or how I do.

 

[BespinReactorShaft]

Great. Elaborate statistics about something as useful as IQ scores... :disgust:

 

[MisterCornell]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: MisterCornell

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
It's not racist. IQ tests used to be very common in America. A half century of evidence from schools, businesses, the millitary, etc. has white IQs at around 100 and black IQs at 85. These IQ tests dissappeared in the 1970's in response to political pressure, because the highlighted the gaps between different races. Still, pretending that it doesn't exist hasn't made it go away. In SAT tests (which correlate with IQ tests) you see a similar gap between blacks and whites.

You're too stupid to live... go die in a fire and save all of us from your idiocy.

Nice response. You've stunned me with your debating skills, evidence, and logic. :roll:

Read some of this guy's articles. He writes a lot of articles on IQ:

http://www.isteve.com/Articles_IQ.htm

Back in the day, some businesses used to give people IQ tests before hiring them. But that's rare nowadays, except in the millitary which still uses them. IQ tests invariably bring up the uncomfortable topic of racial IQ differences. So instead businesses like Microsoft and the big Wall Street investment banks give people brain teasers and riddles to solve during interviews. There's no paper trail there like there is with an IQ test, so you don't get accused of bias.

so you're telling me that black people (genetic mix with white black and native american) are somehow generally less intelligent than white people, because of IQ tests back in the 60s when racism was an institutionalized phenomenon? And you expect me to buy that and respect your stupidity? You've interacted with black people and you can really believe this to be the case? Wow... I'm amazed... you're actually sitting here suggesting that black people are somehow 15% less intelligent than white people? WOW.... just wow...

seriously go die alone somewhere.

and to the other person with the IQ clearly of less than 65....ronstang.... what facts has he presented? And the idiotic link to a guy who is clearly as biased as all hell is totally stupid and irrelevant... you should go die somewhere too.

:heart:

-Max

Go look at SAT tests results from today. They show the same exact thing: a one standard deviation diffference between blacks and whites in the U.S.

BTW: I'm not white or black. I have little vested interest in this argument. I'm originally from India. The average IQ there has been reported to be around 80 by various studies. That seems unlikely based on the Indian-Americans you may have met, but to me it seems reasonable. 1/3 of the country is still illiterate. I am amazed at the stupidity there each time I go back. Some of it is obviously due to lack of education, but some of it may be genetic. It doesn't bother me that the average IQ of Indians is 80. I think it probably could be brought up significantly with education, better nutrition, better healthcare, etc.

You are a fscking troll, BTW. You don't know how to debate and you are crapping all over this thread. Leave this discussion to the grownups. What there is no controversy about is the fact that your own IQ is not very high. 🙂

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: Chronoshock

Originally posted by: necine
I'm black and my professionally tested IQ is 142. This is bunk.

I hope you realize that means nothing here, we're talking about averages and medians not extremes. No one is debating whether or not there are smart black people; there obviously are, you're one of them. The issue at hand is what the typical black, white, or asian scores on an IQ test. It isn't about how you do or how I do.

Haha, it is hrad to bieleve taht aoynne wtih a 142 IQ wluod mkae an augmrent as lmae as yuros

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: MisterCornell

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: MisterCornell

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
It's not racist. IQ tests used to be very common in America. A half century of evidence from schools, businesses, the millitary, etc. has white IQs at around 100 and black IQs at 85. These IQ tests dissappeared in the 1970's in response to political pressure, because the highlighted the gaps between different races. Still, pretending that it doesn't exist hasn't made it go away. In SAT tests (which correlate with IQ tests) you see a similar gap between blacks and whites.

You're too stupid to live... go die in a fire and save all of us from your idiocy.

Nice response. You've stunned me with your debating skills, evidence, and logic. :roll:

Read some of this guy's articles. He writes a lot of articles on IQ:

http://www.isteve.com/Articles_IQ.htm

Back in the day, some businesses used to give people IQ tests before hiring them. But that's rare nowadays, except in the millitary which still uses them. IQ tests invariably bring up the uncomfortable topic of racial IQ differences. So instead businesses like Microsoft and the big Wall Street investment banks give people brain teasers and riddles to solve during interviews. There's no paper trail there like there is with an IQ test, so you don't get accused of bias.

so you're telling me that black people (genetic mix with white black and native american) are somehow generally less intelligent than white people, because of IQ tests back in the 60s when racism was an institutionalized phenomenon? And you expect me to buy that and respect your stupidity? You've interacted with black people and you can really believe this to be the case? Wow... I'm amazed... you're actually sitting here suggesting that black people are somehow 15% less intelligent than white people? WOW.... just wow...

seriously go die alone somewhere.

and to the other person with the IQ clearly of less than 65....ronstang.... what facts has he presented? And the idiotic link to a guy who is clearly as biased as all hell is totally stupid and irrelevant... you should go die somewhere too.

:heart:

-Max

Go look at SAT tests results from today. They show the same exact thing: a one standard deviation diffference between blacks and whites in the U.S.

You are a fscking troll, BTW. Leave this discussion to the grownups. What there is no controversy about is the fact that your own IQ is not very high. 🙂

How many times do I have to repeat myself.... SAT scores are a reflection of education not of intelligence.

I'm certainly not trolling... this thread is impossible to troll. The whole damn thread is a gigantic dunghill of trolling.

And I think I've proved my point to anyone but the hitler youth on this forum namely you and Ronstang.... So here rather than trying to retype my argument again here simply read my posts earlier, which clearly and concisely shows why organizing categories of people by skin color is not a valid human grouping technique. You and Mr. Mensa Ronstang over here are clearly of a superior race which I cannot compete with. So I will take my inferior race out of this thread....

-Max

P.S. Die in a M-fin Fire

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Chronoshock

Originally posted by: necine
I'm black and my professionally tested IQ is 142. This is bunk.

I hope you realize that means nothing here, we're talking about averages and medians not extremes. No one is debating whether or not there are smart black people; there obviously are, you're one of them. The issue at hand is what the typical black, white, or asian scores on an IQ test. It isn't about how you do or how I do.

Averages and Medians of arbitrary grouping. It's like getting all the people together who like Eggplant and those that don't and then making a comparison.

Skin color is not an adequate method for categorizing people.

 

[DarkKnight]

where are the south asians in the study? 🙁

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Doboji

I'm a jewish male... so according to all these "studies" I'm supposed to have a higher IQ score and SAT and yet, I know lots of Black people, asians, hispanics, whites, who are all smarter than I am. This "exception" alone debunks the usefullness of such "studies".

A few exceptions do not invalidate the rule. If I said that the average Asian is shorter than the average member of the Masaai tribe in Africa (average height 6'3), then that would be true. Someone might bring up Yao Ming, but that is an exception, not the rule. On *average*, they are much shorter.

That's what these studies are finding... averages. Of course you're going to have individual subjects that don't follow the general trend. And it's not saying that you can't have a bunch of black geniuses or dumb East Asians. It's just saying that *on average*, the IQ's of these races is different.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Doboji
How many times do I have to repeat myself.... SAT scores are a reflection of education not of intelligence.

Actually there is a pretty concrete link between IQ and SAT scores. The groups that do the best on IQ tests also do the best on the SAT's.

In fact, the rankings for IQ are identical to the rankings for SAT scores.

IQ tests, SAT tests, ACT tests, in fact any standardized tests, measure one's capability to produce the correct answers. These results indelibly rank the individual in comparison with other individuals who take the same test. A person who has superior intellect will find the questions easier than a person who finds thinking his weakpoint, and he's more likely to produce the correct answer. Apply that probability to a few hundred questions on the test, and you'll arrive at a pretty accurate conclusion.

That's why it's no surprise that people who score the best on one cognitive test will score the best on another cognitive test. These tests measure one's brainpower, after all, and the results will be pretty consistent. That individual's score will reveal his aptitude.

Here's an article that talks about this: link

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Averages and Medians of arbitrary grouping. It's like getting all the people together who like Eggplant and those that don't and then making a comparison.

Skin color is not an adequate method for categorizing people.

That's the neat thing about statistics: you can find underlying causes by looking at results.

If they studied the people who routinely eat eggplants and compared the results to those who never ate eggplants, they could find what effect, if any, eggplants have. If they found that people who ate Eggplants were less likely to get xxx disease, then they could theorize that eggplants have something in them that fights that disease.

Now I don't know much about eggplants, but let's talk about other habits. Long ago, smoking was marketed as being "healthy". Some people smoked all the time and lived to be 90. But more often than not, those who smoked a lot became ill. When you measured the statistics of those groups, you found that smokers were much more likely to get cancer than non-smokers. Therefore you knew that something about smoking was causing cancer.

Likewise you could measure people's intelligence in certain regions. You'll have geniuses and idiots in every region, but the ratio of geniuses/idiots may depend on location. When you averaged people from that region together, you got an average intelligence. You can then compare it to the average of people in other regions.

Like I said before, though, I agree with you on the "color" or "race" part because I think it's too broad. I think measuring based on smaller geographic regions would be more accurate.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight
where are the south asians in the study? 🙁

South and South East Asian (except for the Viets) average IQ is 'different' from the 'Asian' being discussed in this thread.

By 'Asian', they meant the East Asian whose cultures have been influenced by Chinese Culture, ie Korean, Japanese, and both Northern and Southern Chinese.

 

[rhairwolf3]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Chronoshock

Originally posted by: necine
I'm black and my professionally tested IQ is 142. This is bunk.

I hope you realize that means nothing here, we're talking about averages and medians not extremes. No one is debating whether or not there are smart black people; there obviously are, you're one of them. The issue at hand is what the typical black, white, or asian scores on an IQ test. It isn't about how you do or how I do.

Averages and Medians of arbitrary grouping. It's like getting all the people together who like Eggplant and those that don't and then making a comparison.

Skin color is not an adequate method for categorizing people.

You are one dumb motherfvcker of your kind, whatever kind you belong to.

People from one region or from one continent can have average IQ that is lower than that of people from other places. It's in the genes that have evolved differently for different people from different places. You have to be either so stupid or so hateful of the facts that you're dead set against, to believe otherwise.

Skin color is a secondary attribute that is only a possible indication of which region people are from.


Wishing people harm is your natural and instinctive response to people who disagree with you, right??? Go read your own posts and see for yourself how much hatred has been instilled inside you for so long. Did your parents teach you to react this way? I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

Born in a family that teaches their children how to be aggressive from early on and take every cent from hard working people other than from jews or blacks to get yourself ahead, DOES it bother you that you have become like Hitler, the very person you call others( who are not btw) they are, but you yourself detested ???

It is certainly indicative of you and possibly the majority of your kind, as to your mindset and the very people you are defending.


Analogy: Criminals will always defend criminals in every way possible unless their own asses are on the line.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Go look at SAT tests results from today. They show the same exact thing: a one standard deviation diffference between blacks and whites in the U.S.

You are a fscking troll, BTW. Leave this discussion to the grownups. What there is no controversy about is the fact that your own IQ is not very high. 🙂
[/quote]

How many times do I have to repeat myself.... SAT scores are a reflection of education not of intelligence.

I'm certainly not trolling... this thread is impossible to troll. The whole damn thread is a gigantic dunghill of trolling.
And I think I've proved my point to anyone but the hitler youth on this forum namely you and Ronstang.... So here rather than trying to retype my argument again here simply read my posts earlier, which clearly and concisely shows why organizing categories of people by skin color is not a valid human grouping technique.[/b] You and Mr. Mensa Ronstang over here are clearly of a superior race which I cannot compete with. So I will take my inferior race out of this thread....

-Max

P.S. Die in a M-fin Fire[/quote]

Maybe I missed something but I haven't seen you prove anything other than you don't want this to be true. If you actually read the study and the many previous studies you will find they all say the same thing. As an added bonus they have taken every one of your arguements into account and found that they have little effect on the overall findings.

How about a summary of what your point actually is?

 

[JASANITY]

I agree, this is B.S. Us asians have a WAY HIGHER IQ than this paper reports.

 

[JASANITY]

Originally posted by: necine
I'm black and my professionally tested IQ is 142. This is bunk.

hehe "my professionaly tested"...haha