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1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential.

Yep. It's like a drug.



Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

The black community, of course. But, again, you missed the point. Buchanan points out some highly ignorant "gifts" that America gave AAs. These are nothing to be proud of. Of course, what he didn't want to say was that AAs had to fight and die for what they have today. They still have a long way to go but the hard-earned rewards weren't given by white america, but taken by force.

Remember the civil war? Yeah, it wasn't fought to free slaves but to keep the union together. Even Lincoln suggested to Frederick Douglas that blacks should return to Africa. But Douglas correctly told him that AAs had as much right to this nation as anybody. After the Civil War, AAs had to deal with another 100 years of illegal discrimination, lynching, etc...The Civil Rights movement was extremely violent. Yes, the rights of AAs came via bloodshed and sadness.

To think that everything was fine just because of the Civil Rights Act is very untrue. White America may feel that way, but the remnants of racism still exist today. It can even be seen in how the war on drugs is fought when possession of coke has a lighter sentence than crack.

I'm not trying to make excuses for AAs, but, as Obama, said, the pain is real and not just a figment of their imagination.

I find it rather amusing you give Wright a pass on his comments but are all over Buchanan for his inflamatory remarks. It shows me exactly where you're coming from.

To try and say that the civil war wasn't fought to end slavery just shows what a troll you are. Brother was killing brother in that war to end slavery, it's just that simple. My Great-grandfaather fought in that war. He came to this country as a boy of 12 so your talking to a white person whose ancestors had nothing to do with slavery, in fact they helped end it so take your guilt trip and lay it on somebody who deserves it, because the shoe doesn't fit here. In fact it doesn't fit the vast majority of white people these days, it's not the evil rich white people oppressing the blacks, it the evil rich people and they're oppressing everybody they can. They could care less what color you are.

Do I think most black people have it harder then most white people? Yes, but the way to change things isn't sitting around bitching and moaning about the past, it's to forgive and forget and then do the best with what you have. That's the realChristian way and that's why I don't support "black value" churches and any politicans that belong to them. They are promising something they can't deliver because their concept is flawed from the start and I think it's only a matter of time until it blows up in their faces.

 

RY62

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I was wondering the same thing. You see, people like moonbeam, Wright, jackson, sharpton etc are why we still have racism in our country - they like to keep that wound fresh by picking the scab whenever possible. They claim they want dialog but then when dialog happens and something is said that they don't like - they pick the scab. It's F'n disgrace that I have to walk on egg shells when talking about race because I'm "white" or risk being labeled a "racist". ... a f'n disgrace.

Originally posted by Dari
Have you ever had a rational disgrace about race? As Obama himself said, white Americans shouldn't have to feel the way you do. Perhaps you are thinking of the wrong people when it comes to race relations?

People may not like it but there are a great many white Americans that would agree with every word of the OP. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the majority of white Americans.

We'll all agree there are problems that need to be addressed. In order to address the issues, we need open, unapologetic, dialogue. Nothing should be held back. When we are forced to suppress our opinions, resentments and divisiveness will grow. Stop trying to make people feel guilty about things they had absolutely no control over. Quit "walking on eggshells", get it out in the open and deal with it.

I would welcome open discussion. I'm tired of being lumped into a group and being told that, as a part of that group, I bear responsibility for the plights of another group. Yes, I'm white. So what? What have I done to oppress anyone? Absolutely nothing. I won't apologize for something that happened before I was even here. If anyone feels they are still being oppressed, let's discuss it. Let's find out if their feelings have merit. Let's not be afraid to place blame where it belongs and try to address the issues.

I find it appalling that the moderator's note was added to this post. Where was your apology when we were reading the racist rants of Rev. Wright? That's right, there is a double standard and it's wrong. There should have been no apology then and there should be none now. That double standard is also a form of oppression that prevents open dialogue.
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential.

Yep. It's like a drug.



Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

The black community, of course. But, again, you missed the point. Buchanan points out some highly ignorant "gifts" that America gave AAs. These are nothing to be proud of. Of course, what he didn't want to say was that AAs had to fight and die for what they have today. They still have a long way to go but the hard-earned rewards weren't given by white america, but taken by force.

Remember the civil war? Yeah, it wasn't fought to free slaves but to keep the union together. Even Lincoln suggested to Frederick Douglas that blacks should return to Africa. But Douglas correctly told him that AAs had as much right to this nation as anybody. After the Civil War, AAs had to deal with another 100 years of illegal discrimination, lynching, etc...The Civil Rights movement was extremely violent. Yes, the rights of AAs came via bloodshed and sadness.

To think that everything was fine just because of the Civil Rights Act is very untrue. White America may feel that way, but the remnants of racism still exist today. It can even be seen in how the war on drugs is fought when possession of coke has a lighter sentence than crack.

I'm not trying to make excuses for AAs, but, as Obama, said, the pain is real and not just a figment of their imagination.

I find it rather amusing you give Wright a pass on his comments but are all over Buchanan for his inflamatory remarks. It shows me exactly where you're coming from.

To try and say that the civil war wasn't fought to end slavery just shows what a troll you are. Brother was killing brother in that war to end slavery, it's just that simple. My Great-grandfaather fought in that war. He came to this country as a boy of 12 so your talking to a white person whose ancestors had nothing to do with slavery, in fact they helped end it so take your guilt trip and lay it on somebody who deserves it, because the shoe doesn't fit here. In fact it doesn't fit the vast majority of white people these days, it's not the evil rich white people oppressing the blacks, it the evil rich people and they're oppressing everybody they can. They could care less what color you are.

Do I think most black people have it harder then most white people? Yes, but the way to change things isn't sitting around bitching and moaning about the past, it's to forgive and forget and then do the best with what you have. That's the realChristian way and that's why I don't support "black value" churches and any politicans that belong to them. They are promising something they can't deliver because their concept is flawed from the start and I think it's only a matter of time until it blows up in their faces.

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I was wondering the same thing. You see, people like moonbeam, Wright, jackson, sharpton etc are why we still have racism in our country - they like to keep that wound fresh by picking the scab whenever possible. They claim they want dialog but then when dialog happens and something is said that they don't like - they pick the scab. It's F'n disgrace that I have to walk on egg shells when talking about race because I'm "white" or risk being labeled a "racist". ... a f'n disgrace.

Originally posted by Dari
Have you ever had a rational disgrace about race? As Obama himself said, white Americans shouldn't have to feel the way you do. Perhaps you are thinking of the wrong people when it comes to race relations?

People may not like it but there are a great many white Americans that would agree with every word of the OP. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the majority of white Americans.

We'll all agree there are problems that need to be addressed. In order to address the issues, we need open, unapologetic, dialogue. Nothing should be held back. When we are forced to suppress our opinions, resentments and divisiveness will grow. Stop trying to make people feel guilty about things they had absolutely no control over. Quit "walking on eggshells", get it out in the open and deal with it.

I would welcome open discussion. I'm tired of being lumped into a group and being told that, as a part of that group, I bear responsibility for the plights of another group. Yes, I'm white. So what? What have I done to oppress anyone? Absolutely nothing. I won't apologize for something that happened before I was even here. If anyone feels they are still being oppressed, let's discuss it. Let's find out if their feelings have merit. Let's not be afraid to place blame where it belongs and try to address the issues.

I find it appalling that the moderator's note was added to this post. Where was your apology when we were reading the racist rants of Rev. Wright? That's right, there is a double standard and it's wrong. There should have been no apology then and there should be none now. That double standard is also a form of oppression that prevents open dialogue.

I agree. My eggshells part was basically about HERE - not IRL. And yes, the mod note doesn't help that one bit - it infact makes it worse because now not only do I have to deal with MB and the racebait gang but now I have to consider how the mods are going to take it. F'n disgraceful. :|
 

Dari

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I was wondering the same thing. You see, people like moonbeam, Wright, jackson, sharpton etc are why we still have racism in our country - they like to keep that wound fresh by picking the scab whenever possible. They claim they want dialog but then when dialog happens and something is said that they don't like - they pick the scab. It's F'n disgrace that I have to walk on egg shells when talking about race because I'm "white" or risk being labeled a "racist". ... a f'n disgrace.

Originally posted by Dari
Have you ever had a rational disgrace about race? As Obama himself said, white Americans shouldn't have to feel the way you do. Perhaps you are thinking of the wrong people when it comes to race relations?

People may not like it but there are a great many white Americans that would agree with every word of the OP. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the majority of white Americans.

We'll all agree there are problems that need to be addressed. In order to address the issues, we need open, unapologetic, dialogue. Nothing should be held back. When we are forced to suppress our opinions, resentments and divisiveness will grow. Stop trying to make people feel guilty about things they had absolutely no control over. Quit "walking on eggshells", get it out in the open and deal with it.

I would welcome open discussion. I'm tired of being lumped into a group and being told that, as a part of that group, I bear responsibility for the plights of another group. Yes, I'm white. So what? What have I done to oppress anyone? Absolutely nothing. I won't apologize for something that happened before I was even here. If anyone feels they are still being oppressed, let's discuss it. Let's find out if their feelings have merit. Let's not be afraid to place blame where it belongs and try to address the issues.

I find it appalling that the moderator's note was added to this post. Where was your apology when we were reading the racist rants of Rev. Wright? That's right, there is a double standard and it's wrong. There should have been no apology then and there should be none now. That double standard is also a form of oppression that prevents open dialogue.

I think what you want is the same thing BO was calling for but people twisted into him using the race card. If you want to have an open debate about race, start a thread and we can discuss it. And I agree, no one should walk on eggshells. However, people need to be willing to listen and learn, rather than shout and display anger.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Poor white victims crying about blacks. They dumped their self hatred on them for centuries and created the exact monster they feared. Now they live next to people driven insane with hate and self destruction. Enjoy your karma. It's a bitch.

:roll:

1. I haven't lived for centuries.

2. I don't hate myself.

3. Black people aren't "monsters."

4. The idea of Karma is getting back what you deserve for what you did. Considering I've done nothing (in respect to the subject at hand), how would my Karma be "a bitch"?

I was wondering the same thing. You see, people like moonbeam, Wright, jackson, sharpton etc are why we still have racism in our country - they like to keep that wound fresh by picking the scab whenever possible. They claim they want dialog but then when dialog happens and something is said that they don't like - they pick the scab. It's F'n disgrace that I have to walk on egg shells when talking about race because I'm "white" or risk being labeled a "racist". ... a f'n disgrace.

Oh me oh my, it's just such a burden being white. I feel so so sorry for you Caddy, you poor dear chump. All the undeserved misery you face and all because of the color of your skin.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.

Had there been no America, there also would've been no war. See how your simplistic argument (doesn't) work(s)? Perhaps you are confused about primary objectives and secondary or residual outcomes. Lincoln could've cared less if slaves were freed. As I stated earlier, he even wanted to ship them back to Africa.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Dari


If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

why did they fight a war to keep the union intact?

because of slavery.

/topic

 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Poor white victims crying about blacks. They dumped their self hatred on them for centuries and created the exact monster they feared. Now they live next to people driven insane with hate and self destruction. Enjoy your karma. It's a bitch.

:roll:

1. I haven't lived for centuries.

2. I don't hate myself.

3. Black people aren't "monsters."

4. The idea of Karma is getting back what you deserve for what you did. Considering I've done nothing (in respect to the subject at hand), how would my Karma be "a bitch"?

1. White people have.

2. You don't hate yourself. Hehe, you haven't the faintest idea what you feel.

3. Ask Caddy about Jackson Sharpton and Wright.

4. You will suffer from your own ignorance and the ignorance of others. You will suffer whether you know it or not. You have no idea the price you pay. Do you think Christ came to forgive you for no reason? You know not what you do.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari


If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

why did they fight a war to keep the union intact?

because of slavery.

/topic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_war

It was not to end slavery, it was to stop the expansion of slavery. Hell, even some Union states had slavery. You people need to get your facts straight.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.

Had there been no America, there also would've been no war. See how your simplistic argument (doesn't) work(s)? Perhaps you are confused about primary objectives and secondary or residual outcomes. Lincoln could've cared less if slaves were freed. As I stated earlier, he even wanted to ship them back to Africa.

Lincoln is just one man and I'm sure he would have preferred to avoid a war. The South started the war by leaving the Union and the reason they left was not only to keep their slaves, but to expand the territory where they could own slaves.

So the war was over the South's perceived right to own slaves which most Northern people considered as immoral, even back then.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.

Had there been no America, there also would've been no war. See how your simplistic argument (doesn't) work(s)? Perhaps you are confused about primary objectives and secondary or residual outcomes. Lincoln could've cared less if slaves were freed. As I stated earlier, he even wanted to ship them back to Africa.

Lincoln is just one man and I'm sure he would have preferred to avoid a war. The South started the war by leaving the Union and the reason they left was not only to keep their slaves, but to expand the territory where they could own slaves.

So the war was over the South's perceived right to own slaves which most Northern people considered as immoral, even back then.

You don't speak for Lincoln so don't even try. Let the record speak for themselves and it shows Lincoln not giving a damn about slaves. As I just mentioned, even Union states had slavery.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.

Had there been no America, there also would've been no war. See how your simplistic argument (doesn't) work(s)? Perhaps you are confused about primary objectives and secondary or residual outcomes. Lincoln could've cared less if slaves were freed. As I stated earlier, he even wanted to ship them back to Africa.

Lincoln is just one man and I'm sure he would have preferred to avoid a war. The South started the war by leaving the Union and the reason they left was not only to keep their slaves, but to expand the territory where they could own slaves.

So the war was over the South's perceived right to own slaves which most Northern people considered as immoral, even back then.

You don't speak for Lincoln so don't even try. Let the record speak for themselves and it shows Lincoln not giving a damn about slaves. As I just mentioned, even Union states had slavery.

LOL @ the troll. The war was caused by slavery. The South wanted it, the North didn't. If you have a different view, then PLEASE enlighten us.

 

Dari

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.

Had there been no America, there also would've been no war. See how your simplistic argument (doesn't) work(s)? Perhaps you are confused about primary objectives and secondary or residual outcomes. Lincoln could've cared less if slaves were freed. As I stated earlier, he even wanted to ship them back to Africa.

Lincoln is just one man and I'm sure he would have preferred to avoid a war. The South started the war by leaving the Union and the reason they left was not only to keep their slaves, but to expand the territory where they could own slaves.

So the war was over the South's perceived right to own slaves which most Northern people considered as immoral, even back then.

You don't speak for Lincoln so don't even try. Let the record speak for themselves and it shows Lincoln not giving a damn about slaves. As I just mentioned, even Union states had slavery.

LOL @ the troll. The war was caused by slavery. The South wanted it, the North didn't. If you have a different view, then PLEASE enlighten us.

You must have a problem with reading.
 

ProfJohn

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First and foremost, this thread is likely to be highly offensive to our African American members, and I want them to personally accept my apology that they are subjected to having to read this. If it were any more blatant, I would immediately have locked it.

In the spirit of open dialogue and the expression of ideas, I am leaving this open *for now*. We will be having a discussion among moderators about this thread. At the very least, this goes right up to the line of what is acceptable comments at Anandtech. It is only because this thread has remained a political discussion that I haven't taken sharp action.

For my own sake, let me say that I am utterly disgusted by the thread title, and it is painful to read, and even more painful to be reminded that people think this way.

Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator
The only thing "highly offensive" about this thread is the title given to it by the OP.

You may not agree with Buchanan, but I don't see what he says as being offensive and I doubt many Americans will look at it that way either.

His comments may not be politically correct, but I don't think they are outright 'offensive'

If someone disagrees then post a line that is offensive by itself.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Poor white victims crying about blacks. They dumped their self hatred on them for centuries and created the exact monster they feared. Now they live next to people driven insane with hate and self destruction. Enjoy your karma. It's a bitch.

:roll:

1. I haven't lived for centuries.

2. I don't hate myself.

3. Black people aren't "monsters."

4. The idea of Karma is getting back what you deserve for what you did. Considering I've done nothing (in respect to the subject at hand), how would my Karma be "a bitch"?

I was wondering the same thing. You see, people like moonbeam, Wright, jackson, sharpton etc are why we still have racism in our country - they like to keep that wound fresh by picking the scab whenever possible. They claim they want dialog but then when dialog happens and something is said that they don't like - they pick the scab. It's F'n disgrace that I have to walk on egg shells when talking about race because I'm "white" or risk being labeled a "racist". ... a f'n disgrace.

Oh me oh my, it's just such a burden being white. I feel so so sorry for you Caddy, you poor dear chump. All the undeserved misery you face and all because of the color of your skin.

No where did I come close to saying being "white" was a "burden". I am merely stating it is stupid for me to not be able to speak about this here without being labeled by you or the other race baiting gang. Sheesh. YOU libs keep trying to claim we need discussion and dialog but then do nothing but point fingers and play the victim/race card.
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Poor white victims crying about blacks. They dumped their self hatred on them for centuries and created the exact monster they feared. Now they live next to people driven insane with hate and self destruction. Enjoy your karma. It's a bitch.

Yes; because I've oppressed so many black people. You're fucking retarded and so is most of the pseudo-psychological drivel you post here.
 

Deudalus

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Ahh we'll see how quickly this post gets deleted and I get labeled a racist. But I will just throw some facts at you guys anyways.

Firstly, Hurricane Katrina for example was so tragic and so many lives were lost here in my home city of New Orleans because it happened at the END OF THE MONTH and no one would leave because they were about to get their checks. This is very simple, unarguable FACT. Don't believe me, ask anyone else from this area, do some research, or look it up. This has nothing to do with race because whites living in the system were in the same boat.

Secondly, black people in New Orleans believe that they are owed government money, government housing, and government assistance for whatever they choose to do. When the city council here voted to tear down the projects black people were up in arms because they were "tearing down their homes" when in reality it wasn't their homes. Many appeared before the council and informed them that they were tearing down their house that their grandparents, parents, and now they and their kids lived in. When it was pointed out to them that people were not supposed to be living in there for more than 6 months to a year and they were not intended to be passed down from generation to generation they looked shocked.

There were in fact people living in those projects who did not know what a power bill was. They had never seen a power bill, water bill, or anything else. Don't believe me, go to WWL 870 AM or 99.5 FM and email one of their hosts and ask about the people that called in stating that very fact.

Thirdly, black people have had 100% of the political power here in New Orleans and we see how bad it is. In fact, you can look at many major cities where blacks are at or near a majority and they are also cess pools of rape, crime, drugs, and violence. Why is that when they have all the political power? This should not be the case and there is obviously a serious problem here.

Fourth, as a basketball coach of almost all black kids I can tell you MAYBE 10% have a father that is active in their life. I'm pretty sure white people aren't going door to door rounding up black fathers and removing them from their duties. Of the other 90% maybe 1/3rd of them has a GOOD MOM that actually cares about them and is responsible. The effects of these facts is unbelievable. You can literally look at their household and make a very, very well educated guess as to where they will wind up in life. I had 3 total white kids all of which are going to college and doing better things. Why is this? They actually have parents that care about their success.

As a contrast I made a 24 on my ACT after pulling an all night drinking fest and I am a college graduate. That said my grades in high school sucked. Why would that be? Because my mom and stepdad didn't give a shit as to whether I went to class, did my homework, or took care of any school related stuff. ACTIVE PARENTS is the key. Am I whining, no. Am I a victim, no. But it is a very valid point.

As a side note our girls team lost about 20% of its roster this year to pregnancy, guess what race people?

Fifth, as an experiment show up to parent/teacher conference day at a local school like mine that is a good mix of whites and blacks and rich and poor. Take notes to see how many white parents show up to inquire about their kids A- and how many black parents show up to ask about their kids failing grades. Its an eye opener.

Sixth, go sit in a classroom and watch a black child that is picked on by his peers for wanting to do well in class. Watch a kid get picked on for raising his hand, for being smart, for reading at his grade level, and whatnot. Its jaw dropping.


Now then we get to the crux of the problem. Are black kids unable to compete in our society? The answer is unequivocally no. Like any other kids there is a fair mix of smart ones, slow ones, and in between kids. However, when they are constantly given excuses as to why they would, should, or could fail then why should they bother trying to compete?

The simple fact is you can blame whoever you want for whatever problem but at the end of the day the reality isn't going to change. As long as minority children are coming from single parent homes and are given excuses to fail rather than encouragement to succeed none of this will change.

We can sit around and talk about sharks swimming in slave trade routes. We can talk about slavery and how it still effects black people in everyday life. Hell we can sit around and blame whitey for everyone problem that exists in the world today.


But at the end of the day, that isn't going to force black kids to learn to read. It isn't going to make their fathers help raise their kids. It isn't going to keep them from dropping out. It isn't going to solve any of their problems, its going to give them a reason to make them worse.
 

Farang

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This forum isn't the place to comment about the moderating. If you want to see the proper way to reply to the edit just look at Professor John's post

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1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari

If you think the Civil War was fought to end slavery, you're deluded. You need to read up on your history. It was fought to keep the union intact.

And I'm not giving either party a pass. They both dwell in the past.

LOL, Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war.

Had there been no America, there also would've been no war. See how your simplistic argument (doesn't) work(s)? Perhaps you are confused about primary objectives and secondary or residual outcomes. Lincoln could've cared less if slaves were freed. As I stated earlier, he even wanted to ship them back to Africa.

Lincoln is just one man and I'm sure he would have preferred to avoid a war. The South started the war by leaving the Union and the reason they left was not only to keep their slaves, but to expand the territory where they could own slaves.

So the war was over the South's perceived right to own slaves which most Northern people considered as immoral, even back then.

You don't speak for Lincoln so don't even try. Let the record speak for themselves and it shows Lincoln not giving a damn about slaves. As I just mentioned, even Union states had slavery.

LOL @ the troll. The war was caused by slavery. The South wanted it, the North didn't. If you have a different view, then PLEASE enlighten us.

You must have a problem with reading.

Not as bad as your problem..... explaining.

I do have a "parting shot" for you. How do the African Americans justify identifing with their brethern in Africa considering that they are largely responsible for capturing their ancestors and selling them to the white devils as slaves?

 

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This forum isn't the place to comment about the moderating. If you want to see the proper way to reply to the edit just look at Professor John's post

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Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: datalink7
3. Black people aren't "monsters."
3. Ask Caddy about Jackson Sharpton and Wright.

There are race mongers on both sides. You named the monsters of one particular side. Surely Moonbeam isn't being racist by saying those monsters represent all black people?

My response to 3 would be MLK. That was a man calling forth to the hope that we could be united. He was a true patriot of the values we represent and he was not a monster. That is a stark contrast to the modern so called black leaders who do nothing but abuse our divide and assault us for whatever grievances they contrive.
 

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Hang on, so me stating that I disagree with the mods for walking on eggshells on this topic and going out of their way to apologize is wrong?

There are countless threads on these boards bashing Republicans, Democrats, Muslims, Whites, Mexicans, and various other groups and none of those threads begin with a mod edit and a stated apology for anyone that might be offended leading into it.

I simply believe that a mod going out of his way to shelter anyone in a political forum should not be happening because if you come into a political forum you have be to ready to be criticized and the lack of the ability to give constructive criticism aimed at the black community is one of the many things that is holding that community back.

Is it truly "offensive" for me to make this valid point?


Edit: I haven't been around lately but I assume there have been countless threads about Jeremiah Wright and quotes from his speeches that bash white people. Did any mods lead into those threads with apologizes to anyone that might have been offended by his accusations?
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Hang on, so me stating that I disagree with the mods for walking on eggshells on this topic and going out of their way to apologize is wrong?

There are countless threads on these boards bashing Republicans, Democrats, Muslims, Whites, Mexicans, and various other groups and none of those threads begin with a mod edit and a stated apology for anyone that might be offended leading into it.

I simply believe that a mod going out of his way to shelter anyone in a political forum should not be happening because if you come into a political forum you have be to ready to be criticized and the lack of the ability to give constructive criticism aimed at the black community is one of the many things that is holding that community back.

Is it truly "offensive" for me to make this valid point?
It is not the point that you made, it is the way you made the point.

It is like the after the game press conference where the coach complains about the officiating.
Saying "I thought the refs made some calls I don't agree with" is usually okay.
Saying "I thought the refs sucked and made some major mistakes" gets you a fine.