Birthers: no place for moderates in the GOP.

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I for one wouldn't want to give the dems free reign of government solely because of Republican stupidity.

Too late.

Originally posted by: IGBT
all the obama has to do is produce a real birth certificate. not some pencil whipped certificate of live birth.

Case in point.


What's really sad is that everyone already knows for fact that McCain was not born inside the United States, but in the Panama Canal Zone, and that special legislation had to be passed certifying him as eligible to run for the Presidency (legislation sponsored by Obama BTW, among others). So when wingnuts discount the obvious and clear evidence that Obama has already provided a REAL birth certificate, supported by independent sources and state of Hawaii officials, it just reeks of blatant obvious racism. The legitimacy of the white candidate we all know was born outside the states is unquestioned, but the legitimacy of the brown-skinned President we all was born inside the states IS questioned. By this utterly transparent act of bigotry, the wingnuts marginalize themselves as nothing but shithead racists, hypocrites to their own calls of freedom for all, and worthy of nothing but contempt and scorn. And thus falls the Republican party, our only hope against the Democrats.

I'm not sure why you think this is about racism - there were plenty of batshit crazy conspiracy theories during past presidencies as well. These are probably the same folks who claimed for years that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clinton administration.

Because it offers a perfect outlet for someone who is racist but doesn't want to appear racist. Obvious racism is kinda unpopular these days.

SECRET MOOOSLIM, BORN IN KENYA

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I for one wouldn't want to give the dems free reign of government solely because of Republican stupidity.

Too late.

Originally posted by: IGBT
all the obama has to do is produce a real birth certificate. not some pencil whipped certificate of live birth.

Case in point.


What's really sad is that everyone already knows for fact that McCain was not born inside the United States, but in the Panama Canal Zone, and that special legislation had to be passed certifying him as eligible to run for the Presidency (legislation sponsored by Obama BTW, among others). So when wingnuts discount the obvious and clear evidence that Obama has already provided a REAL birth certificate, supported by independent sources and state of Hawaii officials, it just reeks of blatant obvious racism. The legitimacy of the white candidate we all know was born outside the states is unquestioned, but the legitimacy of the brown-skinned President we all was born inside the states IS questioned. By this utterly transparent act of bigotry, the wingnuts marginalize themselves as nothing but shithead racists, hypocrites to their own calls of freedom for all, and worthy of nothing but contempt and scorn. And thus falls the Republican party, our only hope against the Democrats.

I'm not sure why you think this is about racism - there were plenty of batshit crazy conspiracy theories during past presidencies as well. These are probably the same folks who claimed for years that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clinton administration.

Because it offers a perfect outlet for someone who is racist but doesn't want to appear racist. Obvious racism is kinda unpopular these days.

SECRET MOOOSLIM, BORN IN KENYA

Just because Obama is black, that doesn't mean that every kook with a conspiracy theory is racist. I could just as easily say sexism is behind last year's conspiracy that said that Sarah Palin only claimed to give birth to Trig, but the mother was actually one of her daughters.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I for one wouldn't want to give the dems free reign of government solely because of Republican stupidity.

Too late.

Originally posted by: IGBT
all the obama has to do is produce a real birth certificate. not some pencil whipped certificate of live birth.

Case in point.


What's really sad is that everyone already knows for fact that McCain was not born inside the United States, but in the Panama Canal Zone, and that special legislation had to be passed certifying him as eligible to run for the Presidency (legislation sponsored by Obama BTW, among others). So when wingnuts discount the obvious and clear evidence that Obama has already provided a REAL birth certificate, supported by independent sources and state of Hawaii officials, it just reeks of blatant obvious racism. The legitimacy of the white candidate we all know was born outside the states is unquestioned, but the legitimacy of the brown-skinned President we all was born inside the states IS questioned. By this utterly transparent act of bigotry, the wingnuts marginalize themselves as nothing but shithead racists, hypocrites to their own calls of freedom for all, and worthy of nothing but contempt and scorn. And thus falls the Republican party, our only hope against the Democrats.

I'm not sure why you think this is about racism - there were plenty of batshit crazy conspiracy theories during past presidencies as well. These are probably the same folks who claimed for years that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clinton administration.

Because it offers a perfect outlet for someone who is racist but doesn't want to appear racist. Obvious racism is kinda unpopular these days.

SECRET MOOOSLIM, BORN IN KENYA

Just because Obama is black, that doesn't mean that every kook with a conspiracy theory is racist. I could just as easily say sexism is behind last year's conspiracy that said that Sarah Palin only claimed to give birth to Trig, but the mother was actually one of her daughters.

Of course not every birther is racist, but do you admit that the birther movement gives them a convenient outlet rather than calling him the n word and hanging a noose outside their house?

 

[charrison]

I would say the odds are highly likely that Obama was born in the US, but the fact that he wont release a copy and end this nonsense is enough to make one wonder.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: charrison
I would say the odds are highly likely that Obama was born in the US, but the fact that he wont release a copy and end this nonsense is enough to make one wonder.

It has been released.

 

[Moonbeam]

WHERE WERE YOU BORN?

CNN has produced the original announcements of Barack Obama's birth from the Honolulu Advertiser and Hawaii Star-Bulletin newspapers from August 13th and 14th of 1961, and the director of the Hawaii Department of Health says he's "personally seen and verified" that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Obama's "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedure." Yet, many Republicans still claim Obama was foreign born. In a related story, Senator Lindsey Graham is denying he's a lesbian.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Vic

I told dmcowen674 something similar to this about 6 years ago... the sooner people like you stop being the poster children of your party, the sooner your party stands a chance of winning elections again.

Im a poster child for the Republican party? I think I would get ran out of a townhall meeting of either party pretty damn fast.

Only the weak-minded have views that coincide exactly with the talking points of either party.


There are posters on this forum that I already know what their position will be on every issue before I even click the thread. Some of them are just trolling, some of them are truly that beholden to a political party as if it was their hometown sports team.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Vic

I told dmcowen674 something similar to this about 6 years ago... the sooner people like you stop being the poster children of your party, the sooner your party stands a chance of winning elections again.

Im a poster child for the Republican party? I think I would get ran out of a townhall meeting of either party pretty damn fast.

Only the weak-minded have views that coincide exactly with the talking points of either party.


There are posters on this forum that I already know what their position will be on every issue before I even click the thread. Some of them are just trolling, some of them are truly that beholden to a political party as if it was their hometown sports team.

Or some of them are sick to death of the Republicans and how they've taking the position of Moral Superiority when the truth is exactly the opposite.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Moderates: If you don't want us, then good riddance. Good luck in your next round of elections...

I really hope that the GOP wakes up and sees their wingnuts for what they really are...a boatanchor around its neck. If they keep pandering to this hardcore base, they will lose. As it stands there is no other party that can replace them. I for one wouldn't want to give the dems free reign of government solely because of Republican stupidity.

The solution is stop reading anything Phokus says. I can't even make sense of what he's trying to say other than he's spewing his normal propaganda against Republicans just for the sake that they're not Democrats.


Phokus' logic:

Premise - there is a nutjob somewhere who believes Obama is not American
Conclusion - the GOP is comprised of nothing but nutjobs

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Evan
Even though this a classic Phokus thread, I do get mildly disturbed that there are still so many nutty people that think Obama isn't an American citizen. The Internet can really do a number on these old folk.

:thumbsup:

Phokus never really minded when the truthers were doing the same thing of course. Heck, the left even elected a truther or two to the House!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Phokus never really minded when the truthers were doing the same thing of course. Heck, the left even elected a truther or two to the House!

Proving that the right wingnuts don't have a monopoly on whack jobs. They just work harder at the top levels to recruit and retain them and promote their agenda. :laugh:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: alchemize

Phokus never really minded when the truthers were doing the same thing of course. Heck, the left even elected a truther or two to the House!

Proving that the right wingnuts don't have a monopoly on whack jobs. They just work harder at the top levels to recruit and retain them and promote their agenda. :laugh:

OK, that was funny. I had to laugh.

 

[dbk]

omg those people are fuckin crazy... just run the other way

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: lupi
Ya know, as even the independent commentators are saying now, it would b e rather easy to put this discussion away and just release a copy of the certificate.

It's been released.

Birthers: IT'S A PHOTOSHOP!~!!!!!!ONEONEONE

edit: it's a certificate of live birth. dunno what the difference is though

Hawaii has several types of 'birth certificates'.

E.g., there's the type for children born in a hospital. There's a 'call in' type birth certificate, presumably for births at home. IIRC, the requirments for the latter are rather casual - just need two people to say the kid was born etc and they will issue a certificate of live birth.

What Hawaii issued is neither. It's merely an offical HA gov 'statement' saying some type of 'birth certificate' exists, whether it's a regular hospital birth certificate or the 'call -in' type cannot be determined from the form issued by HA and posted on the internet.

So, no, the actual birth certificate - whatever the type - has not been released.

Fern

Add this one to your consiracy theory.

Birth announcement

Damn the Obama staff was clever to think of creating a false newspaper article knowing he was going to run for president. David Axelrod developed the plan during kindergarten lunch break.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: lupi
Ya know, as even the independent commentators are saying now, it would b e rather easy to put this discussion away and just release a copy of the certificate.

It's been released.

Birthers: IT'S A PHOTOSHOP!~!!!!!!ONEONEONE

edit: it's a certificate of live birth. dunno what the difference is though

Hawaii has several types of 'birth certificates'.

E.g., there's the type for children born in a hospital. There's a 'call in' type birth certificate, presumably for births at home. IIRC, the requirments for the latter are rather casual - just need two people to say the kid was born etc and they will issue a certificate of live birth.

What Hawaii issued is neither. It's merely an offical HA gov 'statement' saying some type of 'birth certificate' exists, whether it's a regular hospital birth certificate or the 'call -in' type cannot be determined from the form issued by HA and posted on the internet.

So, no, the actual birth certificate - whatever the type - has not been released.

Fern

Add this one to your consiracy theory.

Birth announcement

Damn the Obama staff was clever to think of creating a false newspaper article knowing he was going to run for president. David Axelrod developed the plan during kindergarten lunch break.

You don't get it.

Let me help you:

1. The document produced so far, while sufficient under law, is not his birth certificate. For one obvious thing, it's computer/word processor generated - those didn't exist when he was born. (Talk of it being faked is stupid and a diversion from most peoples' concerns.)

So, it's not an actual BC but an offcial certificate from the state of HA certifying that he DOES have a HA birth certificate (of some sort).

2. I was born approximately the same time as Obama, I've seen my actually birth certificate (and that of my child). No doubt many of these 'birthers' have done so as well. I.e., they recognize this is not an actual BC.

3. HA, and to this day IIRC, has remarkably lax requirments for obtaining some form of BC. This, combined with numerous reports of foreign birth - including those of his relatives in Kenya (or where ever) - makes some people suspicious that he may have been born over there and upon arrival in HA his family sought & obtained a 'call-in' BC under HA rules. Having lived abroad for many years and knowing other couples (with at least one being a US citizen) concerns about your expected child's citizenship are taken seriously. For most, there is no need to return to the US for a US birth; US rules allow for citizens of a certain age/duration to foreign births yet consider the child a US citizen. Obama's mother did not meet those conditions. She could NOT have easily gotten him US citizenship were he actually born abroad (no matter the country). I.e., there is an underdstandable to motive to pursue a call-in BC were circumstances present.

4. To put a stop to all this is a simple matter of producing an actual BC. (However, if it's a 'call-in' BC that will simply cause more trouble IMO.)

5. The HA minister (can't recall his actual title) has said he has seen Obama's actual BC with his own eyes, so the oft-mention supposed problem of HA's poor record keeping preventing the actual BC from produced is not true.

6. Also, in spite of many assertions to the contrary here, we have no sytem of confirming a candidates qualifications for office. We have only their signature attesting that hey do. IIRC, a CA Congressman has proposed a bill to remedy that - I.e., set up a qualification verification system. Obviously, such legislation would not be necessary were a system already in place.

IMO, this is not 'tinfoil', but a lack of satisfaction that many believe could easily be resolved and suspicion is fueled because of a refusal to do so.

^I have yet to see the above adequately explained in the MSM.

EDIT: RE: the birth announce ment - hypothetically were his mother to have brought young Obama to the US/HA and have applied for, and received a call-in BC the birth announcement would have been generated upon issuance of the call-in BC.

Fern

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Moderates: If you don't want us, then good riddance. Good luck in your next round of elections...

I really hope that the GOP wakes up and sees their wingnuts for what they really are...a boatanchor around its neck. If they keep pandering to this hardcore base, they will lose. As it stands there is no other party that can replace them. I for one wouldn't want to give the dems free reign of government solely because of Republican stupidity.

100% agree. They are a shell of their former selves. They have been taken over by nutbags and instead of trying to keep them quiet and hidden away like they did for years they are letting them out to speak their stupidity for all to hear and associate with the GOP from here on in. One can only hope they are kicked to the curb or at the least relegated to the dark, cold basement where they belong.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: OCguy
Go on DU and see what happens when a moderate democrat posts. If you dont have Chavez penis on your breath, you arent welcome.

Wingnuts are not exclusive to either side. In fact, there are more Leftie wingnuts on this board than Right. Well, to be fair, a couple are just trolls, and not true leftie wingnuts.

That bold statement is completely false, especially since the last primary and election. I've been on this board a long time and it's never been this bad in regard to right wing nutjob trolls. It's hard to keep track of them with their multiple accounts though.

Indeed. It just goes to show how fucking pathetic they really are. EBT and sock puppet accounts abound these days in P&N and they are all right wing nutbags. It's getting hard to tell the Pabsters rom the Corbetts anymore.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Fern
4. To put a stop to all this is a simple matter of producing an actual BC. (However, if it's a 'call-in' BC that will simply cause more trouble IMO.)

No, it wouldn't. They'd call whatever is produced a forgery and say "why did he wait so long? obviously so his people could jury-rig up this here document! Can't trust a Kenyan!" Conspiracy theorists are NEVER satisfied.

IMO, this is not 'tinfoil', but a lack of satisfaction that many believe could easily be resolved and suspicion is fueled because of a refusal to do so.

[/quote]

It's certifiable Reynold's brand tin-foil hattiness with gold fillagree trim.

http://www.factcheck.org/elect...8/born_in_the_usa.html
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: lupi
Ya know, as even the independent commentators are saying now, it would b e rather easy to put this discussion away and just release a copy of the certificate.

It's been released.

Birthers: IT'S A PHOTOSHOP!~!!!!!!ONEONEONE

edit: it's a certificate of live birth. dunno what the difference is though

Hawaii has several types of 'birth certificates'.

E.g., there's the type for children born in a hospital. There's a 'call in' type birth certificate, presumably for births at home. IIRC, the requirments for the latter are rather casual - just need two people to say the kid was born etc and they will issue a certificate of live birth.

What Hawaii issued is neither. It's merely an offical HA gov 'statement' saying some type of 'birth certificate' exists, whether it's a regular hospital birth certificate or the 'call -in' type cannot be determined from the form issued by HA and posted on the internet.

So, no, the actual birth certificate - whatever the type - has not been released.

Fern

Add this one to your consiracy theory.

Birth announcement

Damn the Obama staff was clever to think of creating a false newspaper article knowing he was going to run for president. David Axelrod developed the plan during kindergarten lunch break.

You don't get it.

Let me help you:

1. The document produced so far, while sufficient under law, is not his birth certificate. For one obvious thing, it's computer/word processor generated - those didn't exist when he was born. (Talk of it being faked is stupid and a diversion from most peoples' concerns.)

So, it's not an actual BC but an offcial certificate from the state of HA certifying that he DOES have a HA birth certificate (of some sort).

2. I was born approximately the same time as Obama, I've seen my actually birth certificate (and that of my child). No doubt many of these 'birthers' have done so as well. I.e., they recognize this is not an actual BC.

3. HA, and to this day IIRC, has remarkably lax requirments for obtaining some form of BC. This, combined with numerous reports of foreign birth - including those of his relatives in Kenya (or where ever) - makes some people suspicious that he may have been born over there and upon arrival in HA his family sought & obtained a 'call-in' BC under HA rules. Having lived abroad for many years and knowing other couples (with at least one being a US citizen) concerns about your expected child's citizenship are taken seriously. For most, there is no need to return to the US for a US birth; US rules allow for citizens of a certain age/duration to foreign births yet consider the child a US citizen. Obama's mother did not meet those conditions. She could NOT have easily gotten him US citizenship were he actually born abroad (no matter the country). I.e., there is an underdstandable to motive to pursue a call-in BC were circumstances present.

4. To put a stop to all this is a simple matter of producing an actual BC. (However, if it's a 'call-in' BC that will simply cause more trouble IMO.)

5. The HA minister (can't recall his actual title) has said he has seen Obama's actual BC with his own eyes, so the oft-mention supposed problem of HA's poor record keeping preventing the actual BC from produced is not true.

6. Also, in spite of many assertions to the contrary here, we have no sytem of confirming a candidates qualifications for office. We have only their signature attesting that hey do. IIRC, a CA Congressman has proposed a bill to remedy that - I.e., set up a qualification verification system. Obviously, such legislation would not be necessary were a system already in place.

IMO, this is not 'tinfoil', but a lack of satisfaction that many believe could easily be resolved and suspicion is fueled because of a refusal to do so.

^I have yet to see the above adequately explained in the MSM.

EDIT: RE: the birth announce ment - hypothetically were his mother to have brought young Obama to the US/HA and have applied for, and received a call-in BC the birth announcement would have been generated upon issuance of the call-in BC.

Fern

Actually I it, get problem is you dont.

Why wasn't this an issue when all those white boyz were running for President??

When someone raised the issue of McCain not being born on US soil the Obama team agreed the issue should be dropped.

Maybe the birthers didn't realize black people were citizens in 1961, it would explain the confusion.

They were probably looking for a "bill of sale" at the county courthouse for Obama and when they couldn't find it...they got confused.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fern
4. To put a stop to all this is a simple matter of producing an actual BC. (However, if it's a 'call-in' BC that will simply cause more trouble IMO.)

No, it wouldn't. They'd call whatever is produced a forgery and say "why did he wait so long? obviously so his people could jury-rig up this here document! Can't trust a Kenyan!" Conspiracy theorists are NEVER satisfied.

IMO, this is not 'tinfoil', but a lack of satisfaction that many believe could easily be resolved and suspicion is fueled because of a refusal to do so.

It's certifiable Reynold's brand tin-foil hattiness with gold fillagree trim.

http://www.factcheck.org/elect...8/born_in_the_usa.html
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

[/quote]
Seems you didn't read what I posted.


Again, the digitally scanned image, as Ive explained above, is not an actual BC, but a (PC generated) certification by the state of HA testifying that Obama does indeed have a BC. While legally sufficient, and I have heard no one argue otherwise, it's not an actual BC. For those of us who have seen our own actually BC, or that of our newborn child it's readily apparent that this in not an actual BC issued at time of birth. Those look much different (nor were any issued back then done on PC or word processors for the simply fact they didn't exist)

BTW, this ^ info about the copy posted on the web and verified by FactCheck can be found on HA gov sites. I.e., it's not an actual BC, but a printout attesting that one exists.

And as I said before, discussion of whether or not the HA (PC generated) certificate is valid or forged etc is silly and a diversion.

Obama does have an actual HA BC (in some form or another), it's just that other than the HA state official, no one has seen it.

Fern

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: lupi
Ya know, as even the independent commentators are saying now, it would b e rather easy to put this discussion away and just release a copy of the certificate.

It's been released.

Birthers: IT'S A PHOTOSHOP!~!!!!!!ONEONEONE

edit: it's a certificate of live birth. dunno what the difference is though

Hawaii has several types of 'birth certificates'.

E.g., there's the type for children born in a hospital. There's a 'call in' type birth certificate, presumably for births at home. IIRC, the requirments for the latter are rather casual - just need two people to say the kid was born etc and they will issue a certificate of live birth.

What Hawaii issued is neither. It's merely an offical HA gov 'statement' saying some type of 'birth certificate' exists, whether it's a regular hospital birth certificate or the 'call -in' type cannot be determined from the form issued by HA and posted on the internet.

So, no, the actual birth certificate - whatever the type - has not been released.

Fern

Add this one to your consiracy theory.

Birth announcement

Damn the Obama staff was clever to think of creating a false newspaper article knowing he was going to run for president. David Axelrod developed the plan during kindergarten lunch break.

This has been pointed out (and ignored) many times here in P&N. The birthers just plug their ears and cry nanananana whenever it comes time to explain this.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

EDIT: RE: the birth announce ment - hypothetically were his mother to have brought young Obama to the US/HA and have applied for, and received a call-in BC the birth announcement would have been generated upon issuance of the call-in BC.

Hypothetically, if your grandmother had balls, she'd be your grandfather.

Your continuing defense of the "birther" argument puts you squarely in Loony Tunes City. Challenging the veracity of the birth certificate is meaningless because, as you note, it's sufficient under the law to establish his citizenship. However, challenging the truth of what it certifies would be accusing Hawaiian officials of purjury. I doubt whether any of the birther whackos is prepared to do so.

That said, the corroborative birth announcements in two independent, contemporaneous Hawiian newspapers should be enough, not necessarily for birther whackos, but at least, for rational human beings. Consider the foresight it would take to pre-position such published announcements, then, in anticipation of Obama's Presidential aspirations 45+ years later.

Or "hypothetically," the other possiblity is that Area 51 was really a top secret test site where Republicans developed a wayback machine. :laugh:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
-snip-
Actually I it, get problem is you dont.

Why wasn't this an issue when all those white boyz were running for President??

Off the top of my head "white boys" with the same problem:

Barry Goldwater

Romney Sr.

McCain

(Could add Arnold, but it's obvious he's not natural born so he doesn't even attempt to run)

Otherwise, to my knowledge, no one who's ever been a candidate has had a mother who lived outside the USA and were married to a non-USA citizen. His personal circumstances are unique.

Anyway, the claim of racism is irrelevent and diversion. While it may motivate some to pursue the matter it doesn't change the facts:

1. The document, while legally sufficient, is not an actual BC.

2. HA offers 'call-in' BCs, among other types.

3. There is no national/federal system in place to verify candidates qualifications other than their signature of attestation on the F.E.C form

4. HA says they do have the actual BC, but it has not shown for whatever reason. (Personally, I do not doubt they have it, nor know why there is refusal to show it.)

Fern

 

[HomerJS]

Obama shouldn't produce it because of Fern and all the fucknuts insisting.

It keeps marginalizing the GOP.

BTW - anybody notice how that crazy birther bullied all the people in the room including the politicians into reciting the Pledge of Alliegence in vain?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Phokus
The ONLY reason he should show his birth certificate is if the question ever reaches SCOTUS.

Everyone should have to do it when they get a security clearance.