PlasmaBomb
Lifer
LOL
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Biology is making me doubt evolution
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geno
Lifer
It's just the next stage in thinking along the lines of, "If it's unexplainable, a god must've done it." Just like thousands of years ago, civilizations thought gods moved the sun, the stars and the moon. Science progressed and we found a way to explain it. My prediction is one day, we'll find more concrete evidence of evolution which will make creationism look silly, just like "Gods moving the sun" sounds silly today. It's just another cycle in the same type of thinking.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Eeezee is responding to Xylitols quoting you and adding "I am looking for a link that answers your original point". So the post wasn't directed at you, and you should not take offense *sorry for the confusion*
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Well looks like the thread is coming to an end, with the OP enlightened about the true nature of evolution /sarcasm.
Thought that I would post the full video of DrPizzas "speech video".
Full video
Be warned it is nearly two hours long, although the content is amazing.
Context of the video - The video was originally supposed to be a debate, just the Creationists/Intelligent Designers didn't turn up.
The speaker (Ken Miller) is a theist (he believes in God), he is a cell biologist and a teacher, and has written numerous books for High School biology. He also has published a book called "Finding Darwin's God: A scientists search for common ground between God and Evolution." which deals with issues of evolution and religion.
It would be a worthwhile read for the OP.
Amazon
OR pick it up from your library.
Edit: The video didn't link 🙁, now fixed 😀
Thought that I would post the full video of DrPizzas "speech video".
Full video
Be warned it is nearly two hours long, although the content is amazing.
Context of the video - The video was originally supposed to be a debate, just the Creationists/Intelligent Designers didn't turn up.
The speaker (Ken Miller) is a theist (he believes in God), he is a cell biologist and a teacher, and has written numerous books for High School biology. He also has published a book called "Finding Darwin's God: A scientists search for common ground between God and Evolution." which deals with issues of evolution and religion.
It would be a worthwhile read for the OP.
Amazon
OR pick it up from your library.
Edit: The video didn't link 🙁, now fixed 😀
spittledip
Diamond Member
you guys are convincing me that we all came from jackasses
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Please put forth your argument, rather than simply making blanket statements.
Many thanks 😀
The Setup:
For the purposes of this thread, the main difference between phenomena like the movement of celestial bodies and evolution is that planetary movement is actively observable and is predictable/explainable via mathematical principles (mass/gravity, etc...). Evolution is based on well-understood and observed biological principles, but for everything to work you have add in an allowance for random mutation. To keep with the original example this would be similar to having Earth change the angle of it's rotational axis randomly. Since it's random there would be no way to know exactly on which horizon the sun would rise tomorrow, just like there's no way for us to know what is going to evolve in the next million years.
The Payoff:
IMO "more concrete evidence of evolution" would require the random element of evolution be resolved to a calculabe/predictable phenomenon that we either haven't been able to observe or just haven't recognized yet. Of course, if we ever do find an observable phenomenon shaping the evolution of life across the planet(/universe?)
in a consistent manner then that opens up an entirely different can of worms. Make of that what you will.
IAteYourMother
Lifer
what was it? a talk? a debate?
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
The universe is less than 14 billion years old... so 65 billion years certainly is a long time for things to happen.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Joke: How do you make an intelligent design textbook?
A: Take a creation textbook and change all the references to create to design.
A: Take a creation textbook and change all the references to create to design.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
Fail
Shadow Conception
Golden Member
Well if anything, taking biology this year has made me even more firm in my belief of evolution and doubt of a God.
manowar821
Diamond Member
Okay, you're absolutely irritating right now...
You cannot "believe in" evolution, it is not driven by faith.
IAteYourMother
Lifer
would it have been better if he said believed evolution? People are irritatingly nitpicky on the internet.
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
I see this argument all the time, and the more I think about it, the more I think it's a crock of shit. Here's my reasoning: In the days of ancient Greece, the most learned scholars knew that the universe was comprised of a complex series of dodecahedrons that moved around each other. In the middle ages, that science was proven false as we realized that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Today we know that the Earth isn't even the center of our solar system, let alone our galaxy or the Universe. But when we refer back to the outdated scientific explanations of the Universe, we use the word believe; in the middle ages, scientists believed the Earth was the center of the Universe; today, we know that to be false.
We do believe in science; there is a certain level of faith involved. I believe that evolution is the best explanation based on the empirical evidence and interpretations of observational data in the world. That's the difference between science and religion; in science, faith is earned through data; in religion, faith is required from the start. But to deny that faith is involved in science is simply untrue; we have faith that our analysis of the data we have is accurate. In the future, many of the truths we hold to be self-evident today will be replaced as new data shows our analyses were wrong. The future generations will look back on us and laugh at what we believed, and remark how much more they know. And so it will go on in perpetuity.
But at least faith in science is not assumed from the get-go; it must be earned. That's the big disconnect, and that's why religion fails whenever someone tries to use it to combat science.
Thats rediculous. Just because you dont understand how something works,,, God must of created it! I dont understand how invisible waves can be harnessed to create sound, or pictures,, i dont understand why large objects such as planetary bodies have gravity,,, i dont understand how Bush got elected,,, TWICE,,, but that doesn't mean God must of made all of this happen just because i dont understand it.
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