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Biology is making me doubt evolution

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Xylitol

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I'm taking bio junior year (my school does physics freshman year) and all this stuff involving the immune system, nervous system, and circulatory system is making me doubt evolution even more.

It's just so hard to believe that all these ccmplex funnctions started with a single cell
I mean - different nerve signals = seeing, hearing, REMEMBERING?

The teacher does not believe in a creator (he believes in macroevolution), but even though he teaches only evolution, it's hard for me to believe


This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Edit: I don't know how many times I have to say that I do not want to talk about if a God made everything. I just want to say that it's so hard for me to believe in evolution due to the complexity (say as much as you want about billions of years but that's my reasoning - regardless of whether or not I'm ignorant)

I don't know why ATOT has to turn everything about evolution to why God doesn't exist. Or why me disliking people who love Americans dying turns into people getting murdered and people dying as one and the same.

apparently the huge majority of ATOTers don't realize that this post was asking if people's opinions changed because of high school biology because my opinion changed due to the complexity.
 
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

 
Originally posted by: Xylitol
I'm taking bio junior year (my school does physics freshman year) and all this stuff involving the immune system, nervous system, and circulatory system is making me doubt evolution even more.

It's just so hard to believe that all these ccmplex funnctions started with a single cell

The teacher does not believe in a creator (he believes in macroevolution), but even though he teaches only evolution, it's hard for me to believe


This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD
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That is because you are looking at it from an end product point of view. That's a billion years of evolution and you look at the end product.

Listen to this guy's speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uqxxbx2VOs
 
Originally posted by: Xylitol
I'm taking bio junior year (my school does physics freshman year) and all this stuff involving the immune system, nervous system, and circulatory system is making me doubt evolution even more.

It's just so hard to believe that all these ccmplex funnctions started with a single cell

The teacher does not believe in a creator (he believes in macroevolution), but even though he teaches only evolution, it's hard for me to believe


This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD
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You might also want to ask evolution/god why he put our cajones right in front where they are easily susceptible to damage.

And ask god why i have an appendix.
 
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Honors? Wow... here's a cookie.
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any other trivial issues you want me to take care of?
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No thanks, I took honors Anthropology in college, so I'm good to go. But FWIW, evolution is quite real, my friend (at least it was before culture overruled it).
 
i remember Biology starting with single cell organisms and then moving up from there. seemed logical and supported evolution to me.
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
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I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
 
think of the nervous system as communication equipment, the immune system as law enforcement, and the circulatory system as highways stocked full of truckers delivering goods.
we built all those things ourselves, just the ones in our body are constructed of more life. All these individual cells wanted to communicate, so they called in more cells to serve as slaves. They all got hungry and needed energy, so they developed the rest of the body. 😉
you figure with evolution, it didn't start with full sized animals to begin with. First as cells that figured out how to work together, and just grew larger. One big experiment, and the failed things died. Took a LONG time for the experiment to succeed, obviously. It's not like everything worked from the start.
I can't possibly imagine the complication of life starting and building up to spawn more complicated life. But it eases my mind more than the other ideas. Although, I wouldn't doubt this is just some imagination created in a Matrix-style world, and our death is when we are unplugged and freed from the machines. 😛

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Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
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I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
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So you did not believe in it when you went into the class and now you are reaching by trying to use it to back up your biased belief?
 
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Xylitol
I'm taking bio junior year (my school does physics freshman year) and all this stuff involving the immune system, nervous system, and circulatory system is making me doubt evolution even more.

It's just so hard to believe that all these ccmplex funnctions started with a single cell

The teacher does not believe in a creator (he believes in macroevolution), but even though he teaches only evolution, it's hard for me to believe


This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD
Click to expand...

That is because you are looking at it from an end product point of view. That's a billion years of evolution and you look at the end product.

Listen to this guy's speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uqxxbx2VOs
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Precisely. You're looking at the result of a huge system that is billions of years old, and trying to fully comprehend it with a little primate brain, all in one lifetime. Good luck.

It's all a bunch of smaller subsystems working together, gradually building in complexity over the eons.
For those who want to throw in the thermodynamics argument about all things becoming less complex, I'll just throw this in: SUNLIGHT!!!!! Sure, things will decay in a closed system. Earth isn't closed off. Not only does it receive many tons of fresh matter daily in the form of gathered dust from space, but also many billions of watts of energy. The dust is really trivial though - the immense energy input is what's the major factor.

 
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
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I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
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So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??
 
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
Originally posted by: Xylitol
I'm taking bio junior year (my school does physics freshman year) and all this stuff involving the immune system, nervous system, and circulatory system is making me doubt evolution even more.

It's just so hard to believe that all these ccmplex funnctions started with a single cell

The teacher does not believe in a creator (he believes in macroevolution), but even though he teaches only evolution, it's hard for me to believe


This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD
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You might also want to ask evolution/god why he put our cajones right in front where they are easily susceptible to damage.

And ask god why i have an appendix.
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because the hand is even more susceptible

because it helps in immunity
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
Click to expand...

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
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So you did not believe in it when you went into the class and now you are reaching by trying to use it to back up your biased belief?
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I believed in it after 8th grade biology when it was so simple
 
Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
Click to expand...

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
Click to expand...

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??
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robot overlords. duh

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
For those who want to throw in the thermodynamics argument about all things becoming less complex.
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In thermodynamics doesn't entropy increase rather than decrease??
 
WE can see a progression of increasing complexity for throughout the animal kingdom. If one species were to show a MASSIVE jump, then I would say that there is third party involvement.

If that doesn't make sense, I can try to relate it something else....

Consider the pyramids. There are people that say the technology to create and concieve of the pyramids was alien. It had to be, i mean how could a such "primitive" humans create something so massive? But if you look at the archeology, there is a natural progression of pyramid building, peaking with the Pyramids of Giza. There is no leap where there were no pyramids, then all of the sudden the Great Pyramids of Giza showed. IF that was the case, then i would tend to believe that there was 3rd party involvement. But given the fact that there is a progression of increasing pyramids complexity and a refinement in technique, i would say that the pyramids "evolved" through time.

This can be directly related to cells and the increasing complexity that they show. That's the reason that i don't believe in "intelligent design". Oh, and because it pretty much religion backed with non-sensical science. I'll have further proof of that when i go the Creationist museum in August.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
Click to expand...

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
Click to expand...

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??
Click to expand...

robot overlords. duh

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Perhaps it was aliens?

Are these robot overlords all powerful? Sounds suspiciously like a god to me...
 
Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design
Click to expand...

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level
Click to expand...

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??
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I don't know
I believe even more in god now, but that's not what the point of the thread was. Why else did I include the fact that this is not a religion thread?

I just can't believe that we evolved to this
 
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