Biology is making me doubt evolution

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol
This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Then what kind of thread is it?

If you're able to believe in evolution after biology class
religion does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with evolution

 

[RedArmy]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol
This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Then what kind of thread is it?

If you're able to believe in evolution after biology class
religion does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with evolution

Unless you're on an internet forum.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??

I don't know
I believe even more in god now, but that's not what the point of the thread was. Why else did I include the fact that this is not a religion thread?

I just can't believe that we evolved to this

In all of your ramblings thus far, you've yet to provide a single reason as to WHY you doubt it. I realize that if someone were to try to convince you of evolution, the burden of proof would be on their shoulders, but you were the one who said you doubted it. You started the thread.

Tell us why.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol
This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Then what kind of thread is it?

If you're able to believe in evolution after biology class
religion does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with evolution

I've never heard a third side. It's always been "God did it" or "Evolution did it."

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol
This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Then what kind of thread is it?

If you're able to believe in evolution after biology class
religion does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with evolution

I've never heard a third side. It's always been "God did it" or "Evolution did it."

When I make a thread about evolution, i'm not wondering if God made animals instead of evolution. I'm wondering about biology class + evolution

Is that hard to understand?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Xylitol
This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Then what kind of thread is it?

If you're able to believe in evolution after biology class
religion does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with evolution

I've never heard a third side. It's always been "God did it" or "Evolution did it."

You have obviously been sleeping... it was the robot overlords.

I for one welcome our new robot overlords.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??

I don't know
I believe even more in god now, but that's not what the point of the thread was. Why else did I include the fact that this is not a religion thread?

I just can't believe that we evolved to this

In all of your ramblings thus far, you've yet to provide a single reason as to WHY you doubt it. I realize that if someone were to try to convince you of evolution, the burden of proof would be on their shoulders, but you were the one who said you doubted it. You started the thread.

Tell us why.

I said it in my original post
I said because it's just so complex with the nervous, digestive, circulatory system, etc.

I mentioned it from the beginning of my ramblings

Read please

 

[GasX]

I just looked out of the window and saw a car with NJ license plate NDS 111. Do you realize out of all the registered cars in the world, I happened to see that one? The odds of it being that car are so infinitesimal that there is no way that it got their without divine intervention.

 

[Platypus]

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[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??

I don't know
I believe even more in god now, but that's not what the point of the thread was. Why else did I include the fact that this is not a religion thread?

I just can't believe that we evolved to this

In all of your ramblings thus far, you've yet to provide a single reason as to WHY you doubt it. I realize that if someone were to try to convince you of evolution, the burden of proof would be on their shoulders, but you were the one who said you doubted it. You started the thread.

Tell us why.

I said it in my original post
I said because it's just so complex with the nervous, digestive, circulatory system, etc.

I mentioned it from the beginning of my ramblings

Read please

That's not a reason. You basically said, "I don't understand it, so it can't be."

Doesn't quite cut the mustard. I'm not sure you could be less convincing if you tried. Maybe you just don't grasp the immense amount of time over which this has all taken place. That's not a dig at you; it's a difficult concept to wrap your mind around.

Like I said earlier, it's unlikely that evolution is still taking place (in most human societies) due to cultural intervention, but that's a fairly recent (< 5,000 years) phenomenon.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

Agreed x1000

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I said because it's just so complex with the nervous, digestive, circulatory system, etc.

So, how many billions of years do you think it would take for complex systems to arise?

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

When I make a thread about evolution, i'm not wondering if God made animals instead of evolution. I'm wondering about biology class + evolution

Is that hard to understand?

Not hard to understand at all.

However, how can we leave the whole "did god do it?" question out? You're being unrealistic here.

To put it more simply: What the hell does biology class have to do with anything?

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I said it in my original post
I said because it's just so complex with the nervous, digestive, circulatory system, etc.

I mentioned it from the beginning of my ramblings

Read please

And yet you still haven't explained yourself even in the least bit.

Basically your saying that the complexity is such that god had to of created it. Which makes absolutely no sense, and thus your argument makes no sense.

 

[Stuxnet]

Your reasoning essentially equates to "My 16 year old brain can't think of a better answer, so it had to be God."

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
This IS NOT A RELIGION THREAD

Shens.

 

[BudAshes]

Maybe you are just kind of stupid?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Jeff7
For those who want to throw in the thermodynamics argument about all things becoming less complex.

In thermodynamics doesn't entropy increase rather than decrease??

Read my followup on the influx of energy.

To be honest, the exact definition of "entropy" is a bit fuzzy to me. My thermodynamics professor didn't really do a good job of explaining it. I think the best I can put it is that it's a measure of the amount of "useless energy" in a system. A system with low entropy has a lot of usable energy. A system with high entropy may have energy, but it's not usable to generate work.

So yes, entropy will increase as a closed system decays, and as that system decays, complexity will decrease.
But if you've got a system that's taking in huge quantities of energy, the amount of energy available to do work will increase, thus entropy will decrease, and the potential exists for complexity to increase.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??

I don't know
I believe even more in god now, but that's not what the point of the thread was. Why else did I include the fact that this is not a religion thread?

I just can't believe that we evolved to this

In all of your ramblings thus far, you've yet to provide a single reason as to WHY you doubt it. I realize that if someone were to try to convince you of evolution, the burden of proof would be on their shoulders, but you were the one who said you doubted it. You started the thread.

Tell us why.

I said it in my original post
I said because it's just so complex with the nervous, digestive, circulatory system, etc.

I mentioned it from the beginning of my ramblings

Read please

As has already been stated- just because something is complex, doesn't mean that it has to be created by an intelligent being.

Intelligent design theory tested

 

[Atif]

:light: Interesting... :light:

Peace

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I don't fear him cause he loves me.
I believe in God and Jesus and know that I'm going to be saved. Although I'm not perfect and am not even close to being perfect, I'm still
going to go to heaven for believing in Jesus

Yep seems you went into the class with a open mind. :roll:

 

[Shawn]

Try taking some upper level bio classes. You will change your mind. Our genome is a mess. It's a miracle that anything works at all.

If we were created by an intelligent being he must work for Microsoft because everything is so poorly coded that there are many biological processes whose only function is to compensate for the problems inherent in our genome (aka bug fixes).

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Just because it's complex doesn't mean it *has* to be created by some being that is everlasting, omnipotent, and "god-like".

Complexity != intelligent design

I never said we were created by a god-like being but i don't believe in evolution at this level

So if it wasn't created by a god-like being, and evolution doesn't exist how did everything get here??

it was me.

damn it now you know, I must delete you!

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: Jeff7
For those who want to throw in the thermodynamics argument about all things becoming less complex.

In thermodynamics doesn't entropy increase rather than decrease??

Read my followup on the influx of energy.

To be honest, the exact definition of "entropy" is a bit fuzzy to me. My thermodynamics professor didn't really do a good job of explaining it. I think the best I can put it is that it's a measure of the amount of "useless energy" in a system. A system with low entropy has a lot of usable energy. A system with high entropy may have energy, but it's not usable to generate work.

So yes, entropy will increase as a closed system decays, and as that system decays, complexity will decrease.
But if you've got a system that's taking in huge quantities of energy, the amount of energy available to do work will increase, thus entropy will decrease, and the potential exists for complexity to increase.

It is complex...
Lets start with the thermodynamic definition of entropy is only valid for a system in equilibrium, while the statistical definition of entropy applies to any system. Thus the statistical definition is usually considered the fundamental definition of entropy.

In terms of statistical mechanics, increasing entropy has often been defined as a change to a more disordered state at a molecular level. Thus entropy describes the number of the possible microscopic configurations of the system, meaning that as entropy increases the number of configurations increase and the system increases (going from being simple to being complex).

Think of two systems
1) |||||| = one state
Time passes and entropy increases
2) ||/||\ = three states

2 is more complex than one, due to the increase in entropy.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Your reasoning essentially equates to "My 16 year old brain can't think of a better answer, so it had to be God."

Well my 16 year old brain has its own opinions
After listening to all the effects of evolution, I have come to believe in it less

My 16 year old brain is probably quicker than yours