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Biology is making me doubt evolution
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IAteYourMother
Lifer
Well, consider the fact that this forum isn't exactly conducive to learning, especially with so many different people calling him stupid.
You did a great deal of exaggeration but yes - my point is that it's very complex.
I said that learning the complexity in class made me stop believing in evolution. More information on proof of evolution was not the reason why I changed positions on this topic. You're the one who's logically insane for completely misunderstanding my point.
Don't bring up my personal life and homework because you don't know anything about me (or at least you shouldn't) beyond that I'm in a high school biology class
miketheidiot
Lifer
op has to be a troll
IAteYourMother
Lifer
I'm his older brother.
zinfamous
No Lifer
you still haven't mentioned why you supported evolution before (there must have been evidence that you understood, no?), and yet now you reject it in the face of GREATER evidence?
see, this is why people are attacking you. Your denial when you have a chance of more understanding makes this all the more retarded. If you can't understand it now, why should we think you had any valid reason to support it earlier? the only answer would be that you had "faith" in evolution, with no evidence. Scientists don't preach faith. they test and challenge.
and no, my accepting science was not a rebellion against being raised religious. Care to notice the part where i mention that my father was a biologist? way to pick the info and twist it in your blind favor. Point is, I was raised to explore my world, and question what was handed before me. Not simply say "BAHHH ME NO UNDERSTAND ANYMORE SO GO AWAY NOW!!! WAHHHHH"
you're just trying to get out of homework. admit it.
you live in Kansas, by chance?
I did not attack anyone first. I did however get lots of off topic remarks from many members who can't read.
Oh trust me - I learned. I came up to a conclusion that differed from my initial views and just because the change in my views was probably close to the opposite of yours does not mean that what I did is not learning
zinfamous
No Lifer
he admits that he doesn't care to look up essential arguments in evolutionary theory, at the same time he brands it "too complex to be real"
how do you expect someone like this to behave? he obviously doesn't want to learn, and he never wanted to by starting this thread. It's pretty clear that he had the intent of provoking negative responses, or he's even stupider than he makes himself out to be.
Born2bwire
Diamond Member
They showed that the single slit makes a diffraction.
EDIT: If you're talking about the pictures of the electrons, they probably just emphasized the maxima bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...S4qdTU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...n97vFE&feature=related
The diffraction bands in real life are rather dim and random in comparison to the maxima.
He's sixteen, he's an idiot.
Are you this mother f'n stupid? I said that I'm learning in biology class about the different organ systems and how complex they are. That has nothing to do with evolution; however, I came to my own conclusion from the complexity that evolution probably did not happen at such a large scale.
Did I ever say you were one of those pastor kids? I said "lots" and I know pastor kids like the ones I talked about
That's a trivial point because obviously you understood the point that I was trying to make even if I got the facts somewhat wrong.
I want to learn and did learn. Trust me - by making conclusions that I'm somehow not qualified to be in an honors class makes you look stupider than you might actually be (MIGHT)
zinfamous
No Lifer
I'm sorry, but rejecting evolution is about everything you can do to not learn. that's a fact.
explain to me how pig insulin helps human diabetics? explain to me how I got a damn zebrafish to make protein out of mouse RNA that I had injected into it as a fertilized embryo (work for which I was published, mind you).
Explain the presence of mitochondria in every eukaryotic cell without it being a pre-historic invading bacterium. explain why 70% of the human genome is made up of extinct VIRUSES.
it goes on and on, but if you explain only these things outside of evolutionary theory, then the brightest 16 year-old on the planet will have managed to turn the scientific world on it's head and destroy the foundations of Biology and Medicine.
Born2bwire
Diamond Member
No, you're sixteen. You're an idiot.
SociallyChallenged
Elite
Well, when you get into more complex genetics classes, which involve how DNA mutations can have an effect on something, it is reasonable to believe that over several billion years, you're bound to get many, many different and sometimes beneficial mutations. I mean, as humans, we've developed enzymes/bacterial symbiotes that allow us to digest dairy products (lactose) within the past several thousand years. It's all a matter of probability.
(This doesn't mean that I don't believe in God. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion so quickly since neither disproves the other.)
(This doesn't mean that I don't believe in God. I don't know why people jump to that conclusion so quickly since neither disproves the other.)
Capt Caveman
Lifer
QFT
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
OP LET ME PARAPHRASE YOU: Humans are too complex to have evolved.
Everybody else: Example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...
You: Humans are too complex to have evolved
Everybody else: Example 6, 7, 8, 9,... what are you arguing?
You: Humans are too complex to have evolved
Everybody else: Example 10, 11, what the fuck are you arguing about?
You: ^^see first line
Everybody else: Troll
Basically, people have offered arguments and you have not responded to them. You keep on stating what you believe. Coool!!! Nobody gives a fuck. You didn't offer a thought provoking idea, you didn't change anybody else's mind, and you didn't provide any evidence. What do you cite as a proponent for intelligent design? The human body? People have already said that humanity has developed over billions of years. BILLIONS! If you say that billions of years isn't enough then prove why. Guess what: You haven't.
Scientists have spent their lives working on experiments and studies trying to figure out how evolution might have occurred etc. I'm sure you know better. Really. I mean you're the one who has done experiments, used the scientific method, demonstrated how complex is too complex.
Your using a logical Fallacy from the beginning. Appeal to Ignorance. It's amazing noone called you out on it(if they have my bad skimming 11 pages makes me not read everything). I can't possibly understand how things evolved over billions of years, then your conclusion: It is impossible. <- WRONG
Also you took a Bio H course in high school. Cool, I took a bio course my freshman year in High School. Ignorance is not an excuse for s***, How can you even begin to argue if you already admit that you only know what was in your high school class. You make statements extending over a vast range and then argue for them when your knowledge you admit is not nearly as vast. An Honors course? So? Honors, AP most of them are jokes. I'm taking Pre-calc H, Physics H, AP Lang, US 1 H, Chinese H. Guess what, I don't do anything all day. My classes I grind. I don't have much fun, I don't do much work. In fact today I pretty much came home, played some games till 8:00 finished Leon:The Professional(great film) at 9:00 procrastinated/started to do work and am finished now. School is a joke. Noone wants to learn. You've shown that you really don't want to learn. You want people to agree with your faulty logic. If you honestly consider this a thought-provoking discussion then your "learning" is nothing more than a sham for your beliefs.
I would have had sympathy for you but it dissipated away throughout the pages.
edit: I'm 16 and you got no sympathy. Get over yourself. :disgust:
2nd edit: I took human bio last semester. It was a really interesting course. I got to do a research project on the immune system. The complexity of it was amazing, yes. How chemotaxis(think that's it) allows the macrophages and other cells to migrate to exactly the sites where injury or infection has occured and many other things. The wonderful diverse amount of immune cells all with many different purposes. How macrophages can just stick out the proteins of a bacterium/virus? it just consumed. It doesn't mean I simply gave up and said, damn, too hard, Must be god. Fuckin lazy.
Everybody else: Example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...
You: Humans are too complex to have evolved
Everybody else: Example 6, 7, 8, 9,... what are you arguing?
You: Humans are too complex to have evolved
Everybody else: Example 10, 11, what the fuck are you arguing about?
You: ^^see first line
Everybody else: Troll
Basically, people have offered arguments and you have not responded to them. You keep on stating what you believe. Coool!!! Nobody gives a fuck. You didn't offer a thought provoking idea, you didn't change anybody else's mind, and you didn't provide any evidence. What do you cite as a proponent for intelligent design? The human body? People have already said that humanity has developed over billions of years. BILLIONS! If you say that billions of years isn't enough then prove why. Guess what: You haven't.
Scientists have spent their lives working on experiments and studies trying to figure out how evolution might have occurred etc. I'm sure you know better. Really. I mean you're the one who has done experiments, used the scientific method, demonstrated how complex is too complex.
Your using a logical Fallacy from the beginning. Appeal to Ignorance. It's amazing noone called you out on it(if they have my bad skimming 11 pages makes me not read everything). I can't possibly understand how things evolved over billions of years, then your conclusion: It is impossible. <- WRONG
Also you took a Bio H course in high school. Cool, I took a bio course my freshman year in High School. Ignorance is not an excuse for s***, How can you even begin to argue if you already admit that you only know what was in your high school class. You make statements extending over a vast range and then argue for them when your knowledge you admit is not nearly as vast. An Honors course? So? Honors, AP most of them are jokes. I'm taking Pre-calc H, Physics H, AP Lang, US 1 H, Chinese H. Guess what, I don't do anything all day. My classes I grind. I don't have much fun, I don't do much work. In fact today I pretty much came home, played some games till 8:00 finished Leon:The Professional(great film) at 9:00 procrastinated/started to do work and am finished now. School is a joke. Noone wants to learn. You've shown that you really don't want to learn. You want people to agree with your faulty logic. If you honestly consider this a thought-provoking discussion then your "learning" is nothing more than a sham for your beliefs.
I would have had sympathy for you but it dissipated away throughout the pages.
edit: I'm 16 and you got no sympathy. Get over yourself. :disgust:
2nd edit: I took human bio last semester. It was a really interesting course. I got to do a research project on the immune system. The complexity of it was amazing, yes. How chemotaxis(think that's it) allows the macrophages and other cells to migrate to exactly the sites where injury or infection has occured and many other things. The wonderful diverse amount of immune cells all with many different purposes. How macrophages can just stick out the proteins of a bacterium/virus? it just consumed. It doesn't mean I simply gave up and said, damn, too hard, Must be god. Fuckin lazy.
Because insulin is a common hormone? That doesn't mean that we branched from a common ancestor.
I'm not going to believe that tons of random mutations in cells that managed to survive eventually led to some sexually reproducing, advanced organisms. I'm not going to think that those sexually reproducing organisms somehow found a mate that is similar enough that its cells recognize the other animal's gametes as its own to give birth to a kid that is different and somehow more complex.
I'm not going to believe that somehow cells learned to transmit hormones to each other during the fetus' development to tell each other where they are on the x,y, and z axis to turn into different parts of a body.
I'm not going to believe in evolution just because it's the most consistent theory out there in the sciences - there are still plenty of holes in that argument
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
Wow you answered what everybody else thought. You came in and said "I'm not going to believe..." WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD?
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