Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
OP LET ME PARAPHRASE YOU: Humans are too complex to have evolved.
Everybody else: Example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...
You: Humans are too complex to have evolved
Everybody else: Example 6, 7, 8, 9,... what are you arguing?
You: Humans are too complex to have evolved
Everybody else: Example 10, 11, what the fuck are you arguing about?
You: ^^see first line
Everybody else: Troll
Basically, people have offered arguments and you have not responded to them. You keep on stating what you believe. Coool!!! Nobody gives a fuck. You didn't offer a thought provoking idea, you didn't change anybody else's mind, and you didn't provide anyevidence. What do you cite as a proponent for intelligent design? The human body? People have already said that humanity has developed over billions of years. BILLIONS! If you say that billions of years isn't enough then prove why. Guess what: You haven't.
Scientists have spent their lives working on experiments and studies trying to figure out how evolution might have occurred etc. I'm sure you know better. Really. I mean you're the one who has done experiments, used the scientific method, demonstrated how complex is too complex.
Your using a logical Fallacy from the beginning. Appeal to Ignorance. It's amazing noone called you out on it(if they have my bad skimming 11 pages makes me not read everything). I can't possibly understand how things evolved over billions of years, then your conclusion: It is impossible. <- WRONG
Also you took a Bio H course in high school. Cool, I took a bio course my freshman year in High School. Ignorance is not an excuse for s***, How can you even begin to argue if you already admit that you only know what was in your high school class. You make statements extending over a vast range and then argue for them when your knowledge you admit is not nearly as vast. An Honors course? So? Honors, AP most of them are jokes. I'm taking Pre-calc H, Physics H, AP Lang, US 1 H, Chinese H. Guess what, I don't do anything all day. My classes I grind. I don't have much fun, I don't do much work. In fact today I pretty much came home, played some games till 8:00 finished Leon:The Professional(great film) at 9:00 procrastinated/started to do work and am finished now. School is a joke. Noone wants to learn. You've shown that you really don't want to learn. You want people to agree with your faulty logic. If you honestly consider this a thought-provoking discussion then your "learning" is nothing more than a sham for your beliefs.
I would have had sympathy for you but it dissipated away throughout the pages.
edit: I'm 16 and you got no sympathy. Get over yourself. :disgust:
2nd edit: I took human bio last semester. It was a really interesting course. I got to do a research project on the immune system. The complexity of it was amazing, yes. How chemotaxis(think that's it) allows the macrophages and other cells to migrate to exactly the sites where injury or infection has occured and many other things. The wonderful diverse amount of immune cells all with many different purposes. How macrophages can just stick out the proteins of a bacterium/virus? it just consumed. It doesn't mean I simply gave up and said, damn, too hard, Must be god. Fuckin lazy.
show me those 11 examples. I've seen one speech video that drpizza showed.
I'll try cause you really are an idiot.
"WE can see a progression of increasing complexity for throughout the animal kingdom. If one species were to show a MASSIVE jump, then I would say that there is third party involvement.
If that doesn't make sense, I can try to relate it something else....
Consider the pyramids. There are people that say the technology to create and concieve of the pyramids was alien. It had to be, i mean how could a such "primitive" humans create something so massive? But if you look at the archeology, there is a natural progression of pyramid building, peaking with the Pyramids of Giza. There is no leap where there were no pyramids, then all of the sudden the Great Pyramids of Giza showed. IF that was the case, then i would tend to believe that there was 3rd party involvement. But given the fact that there is a progression of increasing pyramids complexity and a refinement in technique, i would say that the pyramids "evolved" through time."
"Try taking some upper level bio classes. You will change your mind. Our genome is a mess. It's a miracle that anything works at all.
If we were created by an intelligent being he must work for Microsoft because everything is so poorly coded that there are many biological processes whose only function is to compensate for the problems inherent in our genome (aka bug fixes)."
"Why are evolution and "intelligent design" mutually exclusive? To me, using the principles of evolution to allow a system to change according to external stimuli is a really elegant design. I'm more impressed by a "God" that uses evolution in his design than with a "God" that requires himself to periodically intervene in the system to help things move along.
Let's take a game designer as an example. Game Designer #1 designs a game where the enemy bots react in a fixed hard-coded way to a player. As players improve, he must periodically stop the game and make hard coded fixes to the enemy bots so they present a better challenge.
Game Designer #2 uses evolutionary principles to model the behavior of enemy bots. He encodes the behavior as a string of bits. Those enemy bots that survive the longest or makes the most kills are deemed the "fittest". He uses the string of bits describing the behavior from those bots and produces offspring from them by mixing up the bits from two parents. The offspring will have a combination of behavior from the two parents and hopefully will become a better and more challenging enemy bot. Game Designer #2 never has to stop the game and recode because he got it right the first time. The game's enemy bots evolve as the game is played with no intervention from Game Designer #2.
Which designer is more impressive? And noticed how the game has still been designed but if you analyze how things work, it would appear that evolution is how things work. So, to me, "intelligent design" and evolution are not mutually exclusive. They can co-exist."
"^^ Co-signed. If humans were intelligently designed, why the heck would the esophogus and windpipe connect to the same hole? That's just a retarded design. I mean if there were an intelligent designer, how friggin stupid would he or she or it have to be to make a dumb decision like that? How many deaths each year are caused by choking to death that could be prevented?
Another thing, why if we were intelligently designed, can we only physically survive on this one little ball or rock spinning through space? Clearly from looking at other species on the planet, there are mechanisms in place to survive deep underwater or numerous other conditions, but for us to live we have to be in just the right conditions. There are so many ways of dying, being dismembered, and getting sick that no creator or omnipotent being in his or her right mind would possibly design us this way, or if there was, then it's about time they get fired and replaced with an omnipotent being that knows what the F*ck they're doing.
Basically if there was an intelligent creator, he or she would have to be a true idiot to have designed all of these limitations and dumb mistakes within our bodies. So if someone says that there is an intelligent creator, they're basically saying some omnipotent being that is a complete idiot.
If you look at the human genome for instance, there is layer upon layer of redundancy repeated over and over throughout the genetic code, so very inefficient."
"Add in the fact that our DNA has within it some of the genetic code of viruses. Yes, when ancestors of humans long ago were infected by viruses, some of that genetic code found its way into our DNA.
That, or else God decided that we needed to have something in common with a virus.
There's a lot that's not exactly intelligent. Juddog pointed out the windpipe/esophagus design. Or how about redundancy? Lungs? Necessary. Two of them. Kidneys? Necessary, but you can live for a time without them. Heart? REALLY critical. You get one of them. Trust me, it's a really funny joke. God will explain the humor of it to you after your one heart stops beating, most likely from some sort of ailment.
If this was intelligently designed, I'd be seriously worried about the competence and qualifications of that creator. "
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQQ7ubVIqo4"
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Programmers have a name for it - "spaghetti code". That's what the human genome basically looks like. If you took some of the brighter object oriented programmers and re-wrote the human genome, you could have just as many biological functions with just half the amount of wasted genetic code.
The human genome is the equivalent of a windows install that got infected with 20,000 virus and worms, re-written numerous times, full of comments, etc.. Heck I'm surprised sometimes that it even passes recompiling (birth)."
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http://www.aclu.org/religion/s.../16371res20050916.html"
"Here is my main problem with intelligent design argument of "everything is too complex to be the result of randomness, it must have been designed that way."
If we take that as fact, that the world is very complex and thus could only be designed by an intelligent being, then it stands to reason that this intelligent being is even more complex than the world that he designed.
I then start asking for the origins of this intelligent being, and I get the response of "the intelligent creator has always existed". If it can be accepted as fact that the intelligent creator, who is more complex than the system that he designed has always existed, then why is it so hard to comprehend that the system has always existed instead of being created?
In other words, intelligent design just changes the question from where did we come from to where did god come from, and doesn't really answer much."
"Which is based on... what?
No one is attacking your right to an opinion. In the end, that's all we all have - opinions. Our thoughts on our existence are merely opinions we've formed based on so-called facts we've been taught.
However, this does not mean that all opinions are created equal. It seems that your opinion is based on nothing more than "we're too complex to have evolved from a single cell". People have given you quite a bit of evidence to the contrary, but you've ignored it and cast it aside - your only defense being "this is your opinion."
If you're going to start a discussion on this, be prepared for people to give you THEIR opinions and present you with their EVIDENCE. You, however, have presented no evidence.
Assuming you go to college, and assuming you major in the arts and sciences, you'll be learning quite a bit more about biology, our DNA, evolution, etc. You don't have to make up your mind today. Just keep your mind open to the possibilities."
"I have decided to torture myself by watching a bunch of pro-creationism videos on Youtube.
The only conclusion I can draw is: Creationists never bothered to take any biology, physics or chemistry classes. And failed a course on common sense and logic.
After watching 5 of these videos, I felt like I was bukaked with stupid.
Another interesting thing was how many of these videos have the comments turned off. I wonder why? Could it have something to do with not wanting to hear anything other than your own point of view?
here is a prime example of this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...m4I5lw&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...aXAJb0&feature=related
A number of creationists actually blame Darwin directly, for the Holocaust of Jews during WWII. "
It's actually kinda funny how you just deflect everything you might have a little hard time answering. Like my argument in my original post. Good job just ignoring everything and asking me to pick out a bunch of examples
(assuming I wouldn't). I didn't count them. Count them yourself. I was on page 6 when I finished. Deflection deflection deflection. You cna't counter shit. Admit it.
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