Bio-weapons lab found

[charrison]

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U.S. officials are now confident they have confirmed at least one of the claims Secretary of State Colin Powell made to the U.N. about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. It's a van found in northern Iraq which closely resembles drawings Powell presented to the U.N. and which Iraqi scientists said was part of a mobile biological weapons lab.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

The van contains fermenting vats LIKE those used in the first stage of producing biological weapons. But they were washed down with a caustic cleaner, so there were NO traces of biological material.

The U.S. still has NOT found any chemical or biological agents and some officials are starting to suggest there might not be any, just the equipment needed to manufacture them, reports CBS News Correspondent David Martin.

Having the materials to make WMD was not justification for the war, having WMD was. This doesn't prove anything, but it should be interesting to see people try to spin this and other insignificant finds into being enough evidence to justify the war. Still early in the game, lets wait and see how this pans out.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The van contains fermenting vats LIKE those used in the first stage of producing biological weapons. But they were washed down with a caustic cleaner, so there were NO traces of biological material.

The U.S. still has NOT found any chemical or biological agents and some officials are starting to suggest there might not be any, just the equipment needed to manufacture them, reports CBS News Correspondent David Martin.

Having the materials to make WMD was not justification for the war, having WMD was. This doesn't prove anything, but it should be interesting to see people try to spin this and other insignificant finds into being enough evidence to justify the war. Still early in the game, lets wait and see how this pans out.

This was not an attempt at spin, this is just reporting that a mobile lab was found. I am sure more will be found as time passes.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

 

[bolinger]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The van contains fermenting vats LIKE those used in the first stage of producing biological weapons. But they were washed down with a caustic cleaner, so there were NO traces of biological material.

The U.S. still has NOT found any chemical or biological agents and some officials are starting to suggest there might not be any, just the equipment needed to manufacture them, reports CBS News Correspondent David Martin.

Having the materials to make WMD was not justification for the war, having WMD was. This doesn't prove anything, but it should be interesting to see people try to spin this and other insignificant finds into being enough evidence to justify the war. Still early in the game, lets wait and see how this pans out.

This was not an attempt at spin, this is just reporting that a mobile lab was found. I am sure more will be found as time passes.

I don't see how finding more empty mobile labs in the future will equate to the notion that Iraq possessed WMD at the time war was declared.

 

[LunarRay]

I thought a WMD was "like the final unit ready for delivery" not the mobile chilli maker..
"Washed down with caustic cleaner" is what I do after the spaghetti sauce burns the pot..
Lets issue playing cards with pictures of the munitions (like the ones taken in '91 of the stuff we sold them) to the folks and when they get a match... all the media decends on the spot.. take glossy 8 X 11 's with circles and arrows and a description on the back of what each one is...

You can get anything you want at Ahab's resturant...

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

Well, it's pretty likely that some people are going to make more out of it than it is... it's a van, that much is known, until independent experts examine it, i will believe that a van was found, nothing more...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

BS... the realistic point of view here is that this will just turn out to be another worthless finding, just like all the reported findings before it...

You don't have to be an opportunist to find flaws in this, you would have to look the other way not to...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

BS... the realistic point of view here is that this will just turn out to be another worthless finding, just like all the reported findings before it...

You don't have to be an opportunist to find flaws in this, you would have to look the other way not to...

And I have no doubt if real weapons were found, there would be a large group here claiming they were planted...

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

And I suppose you are a realist? Have we found any WMD yet? How many of these have turned out to be false alarms hmmm... let's see, try all of them. As for being an opportunist, this admin. has made many errors, and to not accept them makes you naive, but definetly does not make me an opportunist.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

And I suppose you are a realist? Have we found any WMD yet? How many of these have turned out to be false alarms hmmm... let's see, try all of them. As for being an opportunist, this admin. has made many errors, and to not accept them makes you naive, but definetly does not make me an opportunist.

When was the last time you didn't criticized this gov't, the army, the president? A permanent critic is a pessimist. Next time, be diplomatic in your lexicon and maybe we can find a way to agree.

 

[HappyGamer2]

here we go again, is this another over hyped false alarm? I am not so sure I believe anything the news says, or what Bush and his boys say on this subject.
at least it's not Fox news

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

And I suppose you are a realist? Have we found any WMD yet? How many of these have turned out to be false alarms hmmm... let's see, try all of them. As for being an opportunist, this admin. has made many errors, and to not accept them makes you naive, but definetly does not make me an opportunist.

When was the last time you didn't criticized this gov't, the army, the president? A permanent critic is a pessimist. Next time, be diplomatic in your lexicon and maybe we can find a way to agree.

I could really care less whether we agree or not, and when I see something wrong, I will point it out and critisize when appropriate. I don't beleive in blind patriotism. In this case, the evidence points to just another false alarm, you don't have to be a pessimist to see that.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

And I suppose you are a realist? Have we found any WMD yet? How many of these have turned out to be false alarms hmmm... let's see, try all of them. As for being an opportunist, this admin. has made many errors, and to not accept them makes you naive, but definetly does not make me an opportunist.

When was the last time you didn't criticized this gov't, the army, the president? A permanent critic is a pessimist. Next time, be diplomatic in your lexicon and maybe we can find a way to agree.

I could really care less whether we agree or not, and when I see something wrong, I will point it out and critisize when appropriate. I don't beleive in blind patriotism. In this case, the evidence points to just another false alarm, you don't have to be a pessimist to see that.

Who said anything about blind patriotism?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

By "blind patriotism" I was referring to those people who are willing to accept, often times unquestionably, the actions of this admin. They think the gov. is infallible, and just because Bush is the pres. he must be right. I've not read enough of your threads, so I'm not going to label you one, but perpetual optimists tend to be naive and easily manipulated.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
By "blind patriotism" I was referring to those people who are willing to accept, often times unquestionably, the actions of this admin. They think the gov. is infallible, and just because Bush is the pres. he must be right. I've not read enough of your threads, so I'm not going to label you one, but perpetual optimists tend to be naive and easily manipulated.[/]

I'm asking you to be neither a "blind patriot" or a pessimist. Just a realist.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
By "blind patriotism" I was referring to those people who are willing to accept, often times unquestionably, the actions of this admin. They think the gov. is infallible, and just because Bush is the pres. he must be right. I've not read enough of your threads, so I'm not going to label you one, but perpetual optimists tend to be naive and easily manipulated.[/]

I'm asking you to be neither a "blind patriot" or a pessimist. Just a realist.

And how am I not being one? Realistically speaking, we have not found any WMD. Realistically speaking, we have no solid leads (all the high level people are denying the existence of WMD and others have gotten us nowhere) and the number of sights left to check has been getting smaller and smaller. Realistically speaking, Bush told the world, citing "solid" evidence, that this war was to disarm Saddam who without a doubt possesed WMD. And finally, realistically speaking, if we don't find anything we're going to look like the worlds biggest jackasses. I don't see how I'm not being a realist.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Sorry, I was not implying that you were spinning, I mean people who are going to read the article and try to make more of it than should be.

are you always a pessimist at heart?

No, I'm a realist. Past "finds" do not inspire too much confidence now, do they?

A realist you are definitely not. Perhaps a fatalist or pessimist. Or maybe a opportunist who likes to find errors in the current administration.

BS... the realistic point of view here is that this will just turn out to be another worthless finding, just like all the reported findings before it...

You don't have to be an opportunist to find flaws in this, you would have to look the other way not to...

And I have no doubt if real weapons were found, there would be a large group here claiming they were planted...

Probably... i wouldn't be one of the though...

 

[cpumaster]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The van contains fermenting vats LIKE those used in the first stage of producing biological weapons. But they were washed down with a caustic cleaner, so there were NO traces of biological material.

The U.S. still has NOT found any chemical or biological agents and some officials are starting to suggest there might not be any, just the equipment needed to manufacture them, reports CBS News Correspondent David Martin.

Having the materials to make WMD was not justification for the war, having WMD was. This doesn't prove anything, but it should be interesting to see people try to spin this and other insignificant finds into being enough evidence to justify the war. Still early in the game, lets wait and see how this pans out.

I am a convert now, I 100% support Mr. Bush policy, domestic or international, well, at least until election 2004,
man, I can't wait to re-elect him (sarc)

 

[cpumaster]

CBS News

U.S. intelligence officials said that Ammash, 49, is believed to have played a key role in rebuilding Baghdad's biological weapons capability since the first Persian Gulf War in 1991.

She was born in 1953 in Baghdad, and her father was Salih Magdi Ammash, a former vice president, defense minister and member of the Baath Party's leadership. Saddam Hussein reportedly ordered his execution in 1983.

Ammash received her undergraduate degree at the University of Baghdad, master of science in microbiology from Texas Woman's University, in Denton, Texas, and received a doctorate in microbiology from the University of Missouri-Columbia in 1983.

seemed like we inadvertly trained the Iraqis top biological weapon scientist, oh well, as long as they pay their tuition

 

[sMiLeYz]

So.... we found the lab. Now where are the WMD's?

 

[SnapIT]

give them time, and they will find them, just like the inspectors would have, without destroying just about everything...