Bin Laden threatens to have Bush assassinated at G-8 summit meeting in Italy

[FiDo14DiDo]

And if not military action then organizations of armed citizens trained with our technologies and sent around the world.

Mobilizing civilians? This tactic eventually leads to the forming of militia groups and the slaughter of innocent members of the population. You don't need to look further than on these boards to see the irrational tendencies of the your regular "citizens." You can imagine what would happen if these people were armed. Also, I have not studied much world history but I can recall incidents in Asia in which civilians were mobilized to search out and eliminate communists. Needless to say, many of those killed were not communists but rather enemies of those pointing the finger.

BTW, the Phillipines has encouraged civlians to hunt down the Abu Sayyef members. That has yet to produce any results.

 

[Doboji]

Oh please everyone knows that the United States is just a puppet state of the Republic of Iceland

 

[Czar]

<< This thread's done up and gone to hell... turned into an international pissing match! >>


LOL, so true, its time to let this thread die

 

[shiner]

I just love the Icelander coming on here and giving us tips on international diplomacy and politics. Here's a clue...if your country has the word ice in it....well.....it's probably not a real country.

Same thing holds true for &quot;countires&quot; that end in anada or ance.

Yes the U.S. is awful. That's why everyone else wants to be like us and people are immigrating here in droves.

 

[etech]

While it is true that this thread did get off the original topic, I think there was something important pointed out.

Czar was nice enough to thank the US for it's aid to Iceland during and after WWII. Now he says to the US get the hell out. That seems to be a common theme for many countries. When they want help they turn to the US with their hands out stretched. The rest of the time they spend telling each other how bad we are.

It was a great shame that Europe could not handle the Kosovo situation and we were drug into helping out there. Now there is just more ammunition for the people that dislike the US to try and use that against us.

My question. What should the US do in regards to the above? Should we stay at home or should we answer the cries of help and then be subjected to the scorn of the nations we helped. This is in full acknowledgement that if we stay at home that we will also be scorned.

 

[prontospyder]

I'm interested to listen to the foreigners' responses to etech's questions...

 

[Czar]

etech, I´v never said that I wanted the US out, its just that I dont care if they are here or not.

Sometimes you have to know when to back out and let people deal with their problems themselves. By not letting people do that you will only build up hate.

 

[Czar]

<< My question. What should the US do in regards to the above? Should we stay at home or should we answer the cries of help and then be subjected to the scorn of the nations we helped. This is in full acknowledgement that if we stay at home that we will also be scorned. >>


That is allways a tough question, sometimes actions are needed and sometimes not, personaly I think the US should keep doing what it does just less of it. And choose well because sometimes it does more harm than good.

 

[bigd480]

Hey SCUBA, I've been to the UAE... As I recall, every taxi is a Mercedes... You have an incredibly filthy rich government... If they thought what's going on in Isreal is so horrible why don't they support Palestine w/ money? Is it because the Arab countries only pretend to give a damn about each other because of the common religion?

If it wasn't for the U.S. troops in that area or the threat of U.S. intervention what's to stop Saddam, Bin Laden, or any other crazy terrorist from trying to invade UAE next? They have all the money, they have the oil just like Kuwait, and no real military force... It would put them in a position of great vulnerability... Who will your defenseless emirate ass cry to when that happens? You'll be begging for U.S. help at that point...

What we really need to do is stop relying so much on oil... If we didn't have to, we'd let those idiot middle easterners* kill themselves like we let the Rawandans and South Africans...
(*i was born and raised in Karachi)

BTW this was the most intelligent post I read in this thread:


<< Anita: well thought out post, but you are thinking inside your box. We <our strategists> know exactly how they are going to act once they dont need our help any more. But we also know that we MUST maintain some semblence of equality in the middle east because if one of the powers there gets too strong they become a real threat to us. Anytime we see one of them gaining strength our easiest corrective action is to supply one of the weaker factions until the equality is restored. In other words as long as they keep beating on each other they cant muster enough strength to really bother us. >>

 

[Helpless]

Nice, I've been to Karachi, too, sir ...very briefly, as I was sent there without a visa...flew into the airport you have there (very nice) and caught another connecting flight to Frankfurt, Germany... after your police asked me a few questions

 

[etech]

OT,
Czar &quot;That is allways a tough question, sometimes actions are needed and sometimes not, personaly I think the US should keep doing what it does just less of it. And choose well because sometimes it does more harm than good. &quot;

That is one reason why I voted for Pres. Bush. If you remember from(I believe it was the second) debates that Pres. Bush expressed exactly those sentiments. That the US should be very cautious about entering foreign disputes and that there must be clear and definable goals set before any action. Gore on the other hand advanced a much more activist policy.

 

[FiDo14DiDo]

Gore on the other hand advanced a much more activist policy.
Gore just wanted more bribes.

Czar was nice enough to thank the US for it's aid to Iceland during and after WWII. Now he says to the US get the hell out. That seems to be a common theme for many countries. When they want help they turn to the US with their hands out stretched. The rest of the time they spend telling each other how bad we are.

I think the problem here is that when the US does provide aid to other countries, it is done with countless stipulations in much the same way as the IMF (Indonesia for example). They are basically telling them how they should run their government. Granted that these nations were not perfect in terms of governing, I dont think the US should step and impose their will via their aid. To some extent, yes. Despite the problems it may cause, I think people are more comfortable being governed by their own people and not by a puppet master.

 

[JoeBaD]

yo Fido,

&quot;I dont think the US should step and impose their will via their aid&quot;

open your eyes. the federal gov't does it to the states all the time.

eg. here in NY we are being forced (for better or worse, but none-the-less forced) to reduce our DWI percentages from .1 to .08. How, if we don't the fed's are going to hold back highway funding, ya know, aid.

So its not like the big bad US is just doing it to foreign countries, we do it to our selves to.

ya know, you do have a point though. I should complain to my employer that he is forcing me to do something it don't want (work) in exchange for his aid (pay). That's just not right, damn it, I going upstairs to complain to him right now.

Oh, but I better not let my kids read this thread. They'll still want their allowance but I won't get any chores out of them.

 

[Czar]

<< That is one reason why I voted for Pres. Bush. If you remember from(I believe it was the second) debates that Pres. Bush expressed exactly those sentiments. That the US should be very cautious about entering foreign disputes and that there must be clear and definable goals set before any action. Gore on the other hand advanced a much more activist policy. >>


True, that was the only reason I was glad Bush got elected.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

shinerburke,

Dissing countries like Cnada or France isn't going to help your arguments. Leaving aside that France is the nation that shaped modern Western civilization, in terms of global culture, and that a certain general Lafayette fought with American rebels...

Now, as far as immigrants coming to the U.S., they also do it because you portray yourselves as the best place in the world, best people on the planet and so on. Which is not necessarily the case. However, you say it loud and frequently, no wonder that poor simpletons fall for it... If everyone in the world could come and live with you guys for a year or so, and then decide whether the U.S. is really DA BOMB, immigration would fall like a rock.

Take Canada, for instance... yes, there are fewer economic opportunities, but I much prefer it to the States! People are more relaxed, and they know theres something else about life than just money... they also know that there's a big world out there, which can do very well with or without them.

In the words of former Prime-Minister Pierre Trudeau (during a heated debate with Reagan): We might be a second-rate world power, but we're not a first-rate aggressor!

 

[shiner]

Now, as far as immigrants coming to the U.S., they also do it because you portray yourselves as the best place in the world, best people on the planet and so on. Which is not necessarily the case. However, you say it loud and frequently, no wonder that poor simpletons fall for it... If everyone in the world could come and live with you guys for a year or so, and then decide whether the U.S. is really DA BOMB, immigration would fall like a rock.

I don't see a whole lot of people running for the borders to get out. I will argue to my death that the U.S. is the best place in the world to live. Sure we aren't perfect but here everyone has a chance to make it on their own and can live a free life without fear of repression by the govt.



<< In the words of former Prime-Minister Pierre Trudeau >>



There's a quote machine if I've ever seen one.

Are we an aggressor nation? I don't think so? Do you see us going around and picking fights? Hell if we wanted to we could control the entire world. The U.S. is a very benevolent superpower. Without us in the world it would be a much less technologically advanced, free, prosperous place. Want us to disappear from the world stage? I don't think you really want to have to deal with the anarchy that would be present in our absence.

 

[Ferocious]

Bush is bad for the country and will probably continue to harm the average American both economically and socially.

However, any attack by any dirtbag low-lifer should be dealt with most severely. And I would whole-heartedly support a preventive attack to assure the safety of our President.

 

[Doboji]

AnitaPerson I respect your opinion, and applaud your skills in debating, but allow me to disagree.

It is indeed true that the United States is continualy sticking it's nose into international affair. But considering the nature of international politics and the swing of power throughout history who can blame us. Every single international issue plays a role in America's interest. Throughout history once a nation has reached a peak of power, and the balance of power has been tipped, international forces immediately naturally begin to try.. more often than not by force... to shift back to a balance of power, usually by eliminating the top dog. Thus it is for our own protection that we continuosly &quot;bully&quot; other nations. It seems to those living in developed nation that we have entered a new erra of peace on earth. Of technological advancement, where wars are fought from afar, and where economics rules all... but the fact is... beyond the most developed of nations, the world is very much at a perpetual state of war. Not everyone loves each other, and saving innocent lives is not so simple as dropping blankets, or just not fighting.

Conflicts in this world don't just work themselves out, and you cannot pretend they donnot exist. And yet America has shown a much more steady supportive hand than some of our predecessors... the UK for example who in a very large way is responsible for MOST of the political strife throughout Africa. Don't be so bitter towards the United States... we are a super power and are behaving as such. It is the nature of being a super power, and not the &quot;evil ill-intended&quot; motives of the big bad united states.

As for the American life-style. Indeed Americans when compared to Canadians for example... work harder, and are more uptight. However we as Americans are proud of that... we are much more productive than almost any nation in the world... and while that means we pay a price in free-time and peace of mind... it is a price that we as Americans are proud to make. We are the roughest toughest most hard working people on the planet. Thats how we see ourselves... and we are damn proud of it. So while this way of life is certainly not for everyone... we embrace it... It is this ethic that keeps us on top.

God Bless America...

-Max

 

[67gt500]

have u ever wonderd why bin laden kills amaricans and threatens to kill bush?????????????????????
ill tell u why
when i go shopping in a shopping centre in my arabic country i see amarican marins walking every were around
and an 18 year boy like me ask em self what those people do in his country
why are they here can any one of u answer that ?
what are amarican marens do in the middle east ?????? ha
thousnds no 100 thousnds of them ???????????????????
would u like seeing russian military walking all over the us
i guss not
will osama bin laden also dont
one more thing its not that i dont like amaricans i mean my girl frind is from the us my teachers in school are from the us and i love em all
i just dont like seeing my country occupide
and when it come to osama bin laden i think his great just a lil bit stuped coz its better to kill our fukking leaders frist they are the ones who fukked up our country like mubbarak yasser arafat king husain after that we could think about amaricans
do u think am a a terrorest too ?????
no am a normal mid eastren boy who loves his country
open ur eyes guys.....................


Scuba the only problem here is that Osama bin laden hasn't declared war on the United States military, he has declared a holy war against the entire country. This includes citizens.

And you listed Iraq as one of the countries US marines are walking around occupying.. I really do not believe that to be the case.

 

[67gt500]

I think the problem here is that when the US does provide aid to other countries, it is done with countless stipulations in much the same way as the IMF (Indonesia for example). They are basically telling them how they should run their government. Granted that these nations were not perfect in terms of governing, I dont think the US should step and impose their will via their aid. To some extent, yes. Despite the problems it may cause, I think people are more comfortable being governed by their own people and not by a puppet master.

Well that is just how the US operates. If your country F's up and cries for help.. and we offer this help, we are going to make sure that there are stipulations so that ten years down the road they aren't crying for help again.

Would you rather the US offer aid and assistance and advise them to continue with the communistic or dictator ways which got them in the mess to begin with? That makes absolutely no sense to me as a tax paying american. If our money is going to help a country with a failing government I sure hope that reform is one of the stipulations.

 

[67gt500]

Bush is bad for the country and will probably continue to harm the average American both economically and socially.

how is his tax cut harming the average american? The AVERAGE american sees 40% of his take home pay going to some sort of government entity.

If you somehow can prove that 40% of the average persons income leaving his pocket is a good thing then perhaps Gore should have been our man.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Amen. I think too many people are prone to believe all the media hype they see on the boob tube, rather than READ and formulate their own damned opinions on government in America. My guess is that 90% of these uninformed posts are made by high school punks who haven't had to work enough to have taxes taken out of their check.

Me, I lose 30% of my check to Federal income tax and social security (which I will never see a goddamned dime of) and will probably end up having to send more in at the end of the fiscal year. It's a crock of bs, and I'm glad Bush shoved the tax bill through Congress.

Dare I say it, when some of these kids get in the real world and watch all of their earnings get sucked in by the gov't, they'll realize what we were talking about all along.

 

[BooBooCat]

What would be the point? If Bin Laden succeeds then Cheney would become president. If he didn't have a heart attack right away he would be no different then Bush is. They both kiss the ass of big oil companies. The United States is now owned by big oil.

 

[Peetoeng]

<< Bush is bad for the country and will probably continue to harm the average American both economically and socially.

how is his tax cut harming the average american? The AVERAGE american sees 40% of his take home pay going to some sort of government entity.

If you somehow can prove that 40% of the average persons income leaving his pocket is a good thing then perhaps Gore should have been our man. >>



Apparently he voted for Gore.

&quot;Bush is bad for the country&quot;
&quot;Stay away from the bushes&quot;
and other slogans which remind me of politics in my home country--a third world country.

 

[67gt500]

They both kiss the ass of big oil companies. The United States is now owned by big oil.

If that is really the case then why am I paying less for gas now than when he initially took office? Gas prices for regular peaked to 1.90 when he took office and are around 1.59 now.

Please explain this phenomenon to me?

And what is it you have against big oil? They make money, employ millions of americans.. they are just like any other set of corporations in this country................