Bill O'Reilly Has His Own Brian Williams Problem

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Brian Williams confession/lie/delusion of truth = me being a sad panda, I trusted the guy, he was my generations Walter Cronkite for lack of a more accurate representation

Bill O'Reilly being caught in a lie of somewhat equal proportion = me slightly surprised, but honestly not nearly as much so. He portrays himself as a 'newsman' and he's just a VERY well paid pitchman.
 

zinfamous

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Listen grabasstic idiot. I don't watch 'thrill up his leg' Chris Matthews or 'race hustler' Al Sharpton on MSNBC.


Sorry, but the MSM; NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and PBS are full of shit and in bed with Obozo.

Question: at what point does Fox's "largest share of cable news viewership" title qualify them to be part of Main Stream Media?

...or are you just as dumb as you sound?
 

drifter106

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so where are the "big" networks? Common sense tells you if this had any truth to it at all they would be piling on. Doesn't look like this accusation is gonna get off the ground.
 

Bowfinger

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I used to watch Fox quite a bit but they haven't had a balanced show in a long time.

"45 percent of the claims we’ve checked from NBC and MSNBC pundits and on-air personalities have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire. At Fox and Fox News Channel, that same number is now 58 percent. At CNN, it’s 22 percent"
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...tfacts-networ/

Even 22% is reprehensible.
Your link was garbled. Here's the whole link: http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...hecking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/
 

Bowfinger

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I agree. To think that the best performing and most respected cable news channel still has 1 out of 5 things that were rated turning out to be lies is pretty horrible.

Still though, for Fox News ~60%? That's absolutely insane. True the sites only rate statements that are controversial or noteworthy in some way, but still that means you are more likely to get things right by believing the opposite of what Fox News tells you about any controversial issue.

Although honestly I don't know why anyone watches cable news. It's just drama programming. My guess is that as the population ages those channels will go away.
It's an interesting analysis, but it has one substantial caveat:
"They only include statements made on that network by a pundit or a host or paid staffer. That means they do not include statements made by elected leaders, candidates or party officials. We feel it’s difficult to hold a network accountable for the comments of a politician.

"Also, if a Fox News host appears on NBC and makes a claim that we fact-check, that rating would appear on the NBC page, not the Fox one. In this case, it’s about the network that aired the content, not the person who said it."
In short, it measures how likely one is to hear truthful comments on the network, regardless of the person speaking. In many cases (though certainly not all), the lies were not told by the networks' regular staff, but by guest pundits. I don't know how a network can prevent this without scripting every show and preemptive censorship. Regardless, it's a pretty sad showing. Don't believe everything you hear on television.
 

HomerJS

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Yep, MSNBC isn't far behind with 45. That's basically a coin flip. I don't miss cable news one bit after dropping back to basic cable.

With this kind of math 45 is far below 60. Scaled for 100% an election with those numbers would be an epic landslide.
 

MongGrel

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Yeah, my love for the TRUTH! And not far-left liberal bias. That's why Fox beats the hell out of the competition. You call me a moron and you just called millions of other people morons.

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Still raging about American Sniper ?

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Jimzz

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All the tapes are now out and...

Bill O'Reilly tapes fail to back up claims of 'combat zone' reporting
http://www.theguardian.com/media/20...il-to-back-up-claims-of-combat-zone-reporting

"Yet the four clips released by CBS did not back up O’Reilly’s repeated claims in recent years that Argentinian forces had mown down protesters with live ammunition, and that O’Reilly himself had seen several demonstrators being shot and killed. "

And now he's threating people for looking into it.
"O’Reilly risked intensifying the controversy on Monday by threatening a female reporter who interviewed him about the dispute. According to the New York Times, he told its reporter Emily Steel that if he did not approve of her resulting article “I’m coming after you with everything I have,” adding: “You can take it as a threat.”"
 

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CBS Has Released The Falklands Protest Footage Bill O'Reilly Asked For. It Doesn't Support His Claims.
The Fox News host says he was in a "war zone" where police gunned down civilians. The video doesn't show that.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/cbs-releases-falklands-protest-footage-bill-oreilly

And there's that... opps.

Oreilly is such a nut and has been lying for so long even he believed his lies.
 

Matt1970

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With this kind of math 45 is far below 60. Scaled for 100% an election with those numbers would be an epic landslide.

Only an epic moron would think their side lying 45% of the time is some how a victory over the other side at 58%. You sir are picking up a turd by the clean end.
 

Jhhnn

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Maybe O'Reilly suffers from schizophrenia. I'm totally serious. People with schizophrenia make up tons of weird stories, and they're 100% convinced it really happened.

O'Reilly suffers from delusions of grandeur brought on by insufferable arrogance.
 

soundforbjt

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And O'Reilly has the nerve to open each show with "the spin stops here"...it usually starts there !
 

Brovane

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CBS Has Released The Falklands Protest Footage Bill O'Reilly Asked For. It Doesn't Support His Claims.
The Fox News host says he was in a "war zone" where police gunned down civilians. The video doesn't show that.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/cbs-releases-falklands-protest-footage-bill-oreilly

And there's that... opps.

Oreilly is such a nut and has been lying for so long even he believed his lies.

Did you watch the complete video's from CBS? Or did you just read the Mother Jones interpretation?
 

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Well no matter what the truth is, the fact remains that this "controversy" will juice the ratings for Bill. He is the ultimate pro at generating ratings. He is gonna milk this one for every last cent, he is laughing all the way to the bank.....

That is probably true, although he (like a lot of bullies) is so thin-skinned that I think it sincerely galls him to have his "journalistic integrity" called into question. Unfortunately he is also so narcissistic that he seems to honestly have talked himself into the idea that his reality is the truth.

To me it seems fairly clear that O'Reilly, like Williams, greatly exaggerated the dangerousness of this situation in order to make himself seem heroic. He, unlike Williams, will almost certainly survive the controversy, though, because a) there is some question about whether or not what he's saying is true, at least in part; b) he is not really working as a journalist anymore - he is more professional loudmouth/pundit; and c) Fox News doesn't appear to care whether its personnel have journalistic credibility, and its audience doesn't demand that either.
 
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emperus

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Yes I did. I see Argentinian police firing at protesters on the complete footage.

I mean c'mon. 2 things to point out.

1.) It was not a war zone. He did not cover combat. There was no one killed. So until O'reilly can tell us what his source was that people died. He lied.

2.) The bureau chief on the show wouldn't even take O'reilley's lead and call it a riot. That was very telling. He actually called it an intense confrontation. So unless intense confrontation = combat. I think Oreilley lied.

Here is what O'reilly says.

As he put it in a 2009 interview, "Here in the United States we would use tear gas and rubber bullets. They were doing real bullets. They were just gunning these people down, shooting them down in the street."
Where does the video support any of that?
 

Spungo

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And O'Reilly has the nerve to open each show with "the spin stops here"...it usually starts there !

To be fair, he's technically correct to say it's the No Spin Zone. Refer to the definition of spin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(public_relations)
In public relations, spin is a form of propaganda, achieved through providing an interpretation of an event

What's it called if you never start with actual events? That's not spin. That's just making shit up.
 

Jhhnn

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Well no matter what the truth is, the fact remains that this "controversy" will juice the ratings for Bill. He is the ultimate pro at generating ratings. He is gonna milk this one for every last cent, he is laughing all the way to the bank.....

That hasn't really worked well for one of fellow bloviators, El Rushbo.