Bill O'Reilly Has His Own Brian Williams Problem

[Jhhnn]

To be fair, he's technically correct to say it's the No Spin Zone. Refer to the definition of spin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(public_relations)


What's it called if you never start with actual events? That's not spin. That's just making shit up.

You're beginning to wise up.

 

[Brovane]

I mean c'mon. 2 things to point out.

1.) It was not a war zone. He did not cover combat. There was no one killed. So until O'reilly can tell us what his source was that people died. He lied.

2.) The bureau chief on the show wouldn't even take O'reilley's lead and call it a riot. That was very telling. He actually called it an intense confrontation. So unless intense confrontation = combat. I think Oreilley lied.

Here is what O'reilly says.


Where does the video support any of that?

Did you watch the full videos? You can clearly see police firing on demonstrators and a full blown riot situation going on. Also considering the amount of time that Ferguson was called a war zone with the press, I have no problem calling it that in Argentina. The actual casualties from the un-rest in Argentina after loosing the war over the Falklands are hard to come by because of how controlled the press was in Argentina at that time. It isn't like now were everyone has a smart phone in their pocket and you can upload video quickly. I could totally see that someone in the middle of that chaos would call it warzone.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Did you watch the full videos? You can clearly see police firing on demonstrators and a full blown riot situation going on. Also considering the amount of time that Ferguson was called a war zone with the press, I have no problem calling it that in Argentina. The actual casualties from the un-rest in Argentina after loosing the war over the Falklands are hard to come by because of how controlled the press was in Argentina at that time. It isn't like now were everyone has a smart phone in their pocket and you can upload video quickly. I could totally see that someone in the middle of that chaos would call it warzone.

It was reported at the time that tear gas and rubber bullets were used. So that is not in conflict with the video unless the video shows live ammunition. It is in conflict with what O'Reilly has claimed in the past.

 

[emperus]

Did you watch the full videos? You can clearly see police firing on demonstrators and a full blown riot situation going on. Also considering the amount of time that Ferguson was called a war zone with the press, I have no problem calling it that in Argentina. The actual casualties from the un-rest in Argentina after loosing the war over the Falklands are hard to come by because of how controlled the press was in Argentina at that time. It isn't like now were everyone has a smart phone in their pocket and you can upload video quickly. I could totally see that someone in the middle of that chaos would call it warzone.

You clearly didn't watch it, I did. Let's undertand what we are arguing.
This is what O'reilly said

"Here in the United States we would use tear gas and rubber bullets. They were doing real bullets. They were just gunning these people down, shooting them down in the street."

Please tell me where in the video it shows people using real bullets or anyone dying.

Noone is arguing whether people died in the Falkans. People are arguing whether O'Reilly lied in saying that he was in combat where he saw people killed. Noone was reported to have died and no one died in that situation.

Btw, I found it interesting that the bureau chief who was at the location refused to use the words "riot". He called it an intense confrontation.

Just admit O'reilley Okie Doked you. You're not even sure what you are arguing in your defense of him.

Sorry, your Ferguson analogy is ridiculous. I guess every reporter there can now go and say they reported during a combat situation and know what war is like.

 

[soundforbjt]

In the end it won't matter, Fox hasn't got any integrity, they'll allow Bill to keep his job. CBS got rid of Rather, NBC has pulled Williams, Fox will keep Bill.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

In the end it won't matter, Fox hasn't got any integrity, they'll allow Bill to keep his job. CBS got rid of Rather, NBC has pulled Williams, Fox will keep Bill.

And that says everything you need to know about Fox's morals and standards or total fucking lack thereof

 

[VRAMdemon]

http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Why-th...mportant-for-America/-756063959256727968.html

Here is an entire segment devoted to Brian Williams as an example of how the "left wing enterprise" of mass media lies to "deceive their viewers and readers to advance a political agenda".

O' Reilly concludes with:

"We put together an honest broadcast and we take great pains to present you with information that can be verified.

All Americans who love their country should think about what happened to Brian Williams … to think about other news agencies that are distorting the facts.

We all should open that proverbial “Network” window and say, “We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!”



Lol! ... you can't make this shit up ... comedy gold!

 

[Dari]

I'd hate to defend Bill O'Reilly but I think he may be telling the truth. My father is a good friend of Christopher Jones. They served in Vietnam together. After Vietnam Mr. Jones, iirc, got a law degree and, eventually, became a news reporter. He worked for the NY Fox station until retiring a couple of years ago. He was also stationed in Argentina during the Falkland wars. A couple of years ago he told me that he was kidnapped by the Argentine junta and tortured. They even did a mock execution. Why would they do this to a reporter? Because they thought he was CIA. So, if something like this was happening to a foreign reporter, one cannot imagine what was happening in the country as a whole. It was most likely a warzone even though the war was being fought hundreds of miles away.

 

[bshole]

I'd hate to defend Bill O'Reilly but I think he may be telling the truth. My father is a good friend of Christopher Jones. They served in Vietnam together. After Vietnam Mr. Jones, iirc, got a law degree and, eventually, became a news reporter. He worked for the NY Fox station until retiring a couple of years ago. He was also stationed in Argentina during the Falkland wars. A couple of years ago he told me that he was kidnapped by the Argentine junta and tortured. They even did a mock execution. Why would they do this to a reporter? Because they thought he was CIA. So, if something like this was happening to a foreign reporter, one cannot imagine what was happening in the country as a whole. It was most likely a warzone even though the war was being fought hundreds of miles away.

Um and how do you know Christopher Jones isn't lying? How do we know that you aren't lying about what Christopher Jones said?

 

[Brovane]

You clearly didn't watch it, I did. Let's undertand what we are arguing.
This is what O'reilly said
Please tell me where in the video it shows people using real bullets or anyone dying.

Noone is arguing whether people died in the Falkans. People are arguing whether O'Reilly lied in saying that he was in combat where he saw people killed. Noone was reported to have died and no one died in that situation.

Btw, I found it interesting that the bureau chief who was at the location refused to use the words "riot". He called it an intense confrontation.

Just admit O'reilley Okie Doked you. You're not even sure what you are arguing in your defense of him.

Sorry, your Ferguson analogy is ridiculous. I guess every reporter there can now go and say they reported during a combat situation and know what war is like.

Of course none was reported to have died you idiot. The Argentinian govt controlled the media and made sure those reports didn't get out. The people that died just disappeared as happened to people in Argentina that opposed the military govt. You can clearly see gun fire in the video. It doesn't really matter if it was plastic bullets or not, when someone is firing a gun at you. Asked later about it, you will say I was shot at.

 

[Dari]

Um and how do you know Christopher Jones isn't lying? How do we know that you aren't lying about what Christopher Jones said?

ASS
HOLE

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

ASS
HOLE

Those articles don't make the case that the people who abducted Jones worked for the government, though it's certainly possible they did. More importantly, I fail to see how the fact that a reporter was abducted has anything to do with what did or didn't happen in Buenos Aires during those protests. The reportage at that time by American reporters didn't include any accounts of what O'Reilly claims happened (that is, mass shootings of civilians by the military). I am still putting his stories in the pants-on-fire category.

 

[Mani]

O'Reilly has approximately the same amount of news credibility as the ladies on The View, so I doubt anything comes of this.

 

[Fern]

In the end it won't matter, Fox hasn't got any integrity, they'll allow Bill to keep his job. CBS got rid of Rather, NBC has pulled Williams, Fox will keep Bill.

Rather's alleged actions are hugely different from William's or O'Reilly. Hugely

Williams was the 'Face" of NBC news. O'Reilly is the face of nothing but his own program.

Under Williams' Nightly News show was losing ground to the others. I heard that in the aftermath of his problems, but before he stepped down, ratings were dropping faster. I think that's why he was suspended. As I've said before, it's all about the money.

I don't know what's going on with O'Reilly's ratings, but I doubt they'll be able to replace him with a show that brings in more money.

Lester Holt's ratings are better than Williams' were. So I doubt we see Williams return.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Those articles don't make the case that the people who abducted Jones worked for the government, though it's certainly possible they did. More importantly, I fail to see how the fact that a reporter was abducted has anything to do with what did or didn't happen in Buenos Aires during those protests. The reportage at that time by American reporters didn't include any accounts of what O'Reilly claims happened (that is, mass shootings of civilians by the military). I am still putting his stories in the pants-on-fire category.

Those articles were written in 1982, therefore they couldn't have made that case. It was only much later when info on government kidnapping/death squads were declassified. E.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batallón_de_Inteligencia_601

 

[Dari]

Those articles don't make the case that the people who abducted Jones worked for the government, though it's certainly possible they did. More importantly, I fail to see how the fact that a reporter was abducted has anything to do with what did or didn't happen in Buenos Aires during those protests. The reportage at that time by American reporters didn't include any accounts of what O'Reilly claims happened (that is, mass shootings of civilians by the military). I am still putting his stories in the pants-on-fire category.

Really? I'm only 32 but I'd assume that anybody that was an adult during the early '80s would've heard about all the shit that was going on in Argentina. BTW, Jones speaks fluent Spanish. His wife is from Spain so while the article may not say who the culprits were, there was no doubt in his mind that it was the Argentine military government. Mock executions? Police don't do shit like that. And remember that a lot of people disappeared in that era as well.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'd hate to defend Bill O'Reilly but I think he may be telling the truth. My father is a good friend of Christopher Jones. They served in Vietnam together. After Vietnam Mr. Jones, iirc, got a law degree and, eventually, became a news reporter. He worked for the NY Fox station until retiring a couple of years ago. He was also stationed in Argentina during the Falkland wars. A couple of years ago he told me that he was kidnapped by the Argentine junta and tortured. They even did a mock execution. Why would they do this to a reporter? Because they thought he was CIA. So, if something like this was happening to a foreign reporter, one cannot imagine what was happening in the country as a whole. It was most likely a warzone even though the war was being fought hundreds of miles away.

ASS
HOLE

Military dictatorships are like that all the time, particularly when in information control mode.

The Argentine Junta was particularly brutal-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

None of which makes it a war zone for western journalists like O'Reilly any more than it was for journalists covering the Occupy Movement. Cops don't want them around & behave accordingly. They just had different ways of doing it in the Junta's Argentina. More of an "enhanced" form of interrogation/persuasion they studied in the School of the Americas. No western journalists died as a result of their ministrations, bet on that.

I love the bit about the British Journalists being expelled. I mean, no shit, Sherlock. Back in '42, had they crossed the channel into Axis territory they'd have been shot as spies.

O'Reilly? He's cultivated an image of a tough, smart & honest guy who just tells it the way he sees it, an opinionated asshole but a "very serious person" among Repub cognoscenti, somebody who carries the message well. For a price, of course, a handsome price.

If this flap knocks him down a peg, he earned it.

 

[emperus]

I'd hate to defend Bill O'Reilly but I think he may be telling the truth. My father is a good friend of Christopher Jones. They served in Vietnam together. After Vietnam Mr. Jones, iirc, got a law degree and, eventually, became a news reporter. He worked for the NY Fox station until retiring a couple of years ago. He was also stationed in Argentina during the Falkland wars. A couple of years ago he told me that he was kidnapped by the Argentine junta and tortured. They even did a mock execution. Why would they do this to a reporter? Because they thought he was CIA. So, if something like this was happening to a foreign reporter, one cannot imagine what was happening in the country as a whole. It was most likely a warzone even though the war was being fought hundreds of miles away.

I would agree with you but we don't need to speculate, we have accounts from other reporters who were stationed there who say it wasn't a warzone. In fact I don't think anyone has said they agreed with O'reilly's narrative.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Really? I'm only 32 but I'd assume that anybody that was an adult during the early '80s would've heard about all the shit that was going on in Argentina. BTW, Jones speaks fluent Spanish. His wife is from Spain so while the article may not say who the culprits were, there was no doubt in his mind that it was the Argentine military government. Mock executions? Police don't do shit like that. And remember that a lot of people disappeared in that era as well.

None of that has anything to do with the truth or falsity of what O'Reilly said.

 

[Dari]

None of that has anything to do with the truth or falsity of what O'Reilly said.

All I'm saying is if they're roughing up foreign reporters, there is no doubt in my mind that they are doing much worse to their own citizens.

 

[Jimzz]

And more lies come out...

Bill O'Reilly Lied About Witnessing Suicide Of JFK Assassin's Friend
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/oreilly-suicide-mohrenschildt_n_6749182.html

He has got to know by now the more he deflects the more people will look into his past even more.

 

[bshole]

And more lies come out...

Bill O'Reilly Lied About Witnessing Suicide Of JFK Assassin's Friend
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/oreilly-suicide-mohrenschildt_n_6749182.html

He has got to know by now the more he deflects the more people will look into his past even more.

Don't worry Bill, I don't think any less of you now than I did before all of this blew up in your face.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

All I'm saying is if they're roughing up foreign reporters, there is no doubt in my mind that they are doing much worse to their own citizens.

That is a completely unjustified inference. The issue here is not whether the Argentinian government was an exemplar for excellence in the field of civil rights. The issue is whether O'Reilly personally saw troops killing protesters. There is no credible evidence that this occurred. The fact that the government might have committed other misdeeds has nothing to do with this question.

 

[thraashman]

And more lies come out...

Bill O'Reilly Lied About Witnessing Suicide Of JFK Assassin's Friend
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/oreilly-suicide-mohrenschildt_n_6749182.html

He has got to know by now the more he deflects the more people will look into his past even more.

Bill O'Reilly lies all the time. Keith Olbermann has a video from years ago before he was back on ESPN where he was showing Bill lie about something, and then deny what he said (despite Keith having video), and then Keith showed that Fox changed the transcript online to reflect what Bill claimed he said instead of what he actually said.

And I remember a guy who gave an interview, I think on the Daily Show, who was going to sue Bill O'Reilly for slander but couldn't because you can't sue for slander someone with a public reputation as a liar. The idea being that if someone lies so much then people aren't expected to believe them and thus their slander can't do harm. I can't seem to find that interview sadly.

 

[Spungo]

Bill O'Reilly lies all the time. Keith Olbermann has a video from years ago before he was back on ESPN where he was showing Bill lie about something, and then deny what he said (despite Keith having video), and then Keith showed that Fox changed the transcript online to reflect what Bill claimed he said instead of what he actually said.

Bill has brain damage. He probably 100% believes the stuff he says. He won't believe your video evidence because he thinks it's a replica of himself. Either that or he thinks it's a conspiracy to frame him.

Capgras delusion - a mental illness where it feels like everyone is an impostor. This can be caused by a certain type of brain damage where the brain recognizes people (including yourself) but doesn't have the correct emotional response. This woman looks and sounds exactly like my mother, but she doesn't give the correct emotional response, so this woman must be an impostor.
The condition can be caused by traumatic brain injury such as a car crash. It's also possible for the condition to be caused by natural brain deterioration or by drug abuse. Bill is very old and he seems like the kind of guy who would have a history of drug abuse, so that's 2 for 2. Add schizophrenia on top of this and we have ourselves a party. That video is not me! It looks and sounds like me but I know it's not me! This is a huge conspiracy to frame me!