Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera goes absolutely ballistic (by their standards) against each other

[mugs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

Irish, Italian, Polish, Chinese, Indian... OMG WE'RE FVCKED.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

It usually isn't until the second generation that they really assimilate. Mexicans are no different.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

12 million out of 300 million. Yeah.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

I didn't earn (sorry, earn) my right to be here either.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

Someone has to mow our lawns and clean our hotel rooms.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

And I'm sure you wouldn't be opposed to the federal government actually making it easy for a Mexican to immigrate here legally.

 

[Goosemaster]

both of them are idiots regardless of the points they were trying to make....sad that that is what tv news is made up of these days...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: michaels
Damn illegal crimmigrants...we have enough criminals here, we don't need any more.

everyone knows illegal crimininmiraingants are the only people who drive drunk

crime is more prevalent among the illegal immigrant population than the population as a whole.

kick the bastards out.

i don't buy that at all... proof?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
ok, i watched it. both of them have a passion for the point they are trying to convey. push comes to shove the judge, major, police chief or whoever let this guy go after he had broken the law before this should have most of the anger directed towards him.

agreed.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: lupi
If my goal is to get enough money to pay for my daughters surgery, what's the problem with me robbing a couple stores.



Oh yeah, they both use the term illegal.

... wtf is your point in this post? you lost me...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

I see you bought into the old fairy tale.

The fact is is the assimilation never happened. Look around in big cities, you see places where local immigrant populations are predominiant (polish, irish, chinese, jewish, black, cuban, etc). Go to the countryside and there are places were english didn't become the predominant language until the last 20-30 years.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

somehow i doubt that ~8 million new voters will bring in a new era in the american electorate and completely overwhelm the other 120 million voters. :roll:

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

What did you do to earn your right to be an american? The exact same thing those "anchor" babies did.

The country we know will no longer exist.

wow its not like we haven't been hearing this for 250+ years now. Somehow the anglo-saxon culture manages to be far predominant despite only ~15% of the population having engling heritage.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

If anything we need more workers, the unemployment rate is below "full" employment, and there are too many jobs for everyone to work.


edited for formating.

agreed.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I liked the part about Geraldo saying that illegals commit less crimes than citizens.

1. 100% of illegals commited a crime by entering the country through illegal means.
2. They are going to keep a low profile because they are already criminals.

he shoots.


he scores!

Actually, no. Most immigration violations are not criminal offenses. The vast majority of illegals charged with immigration violations are charged CIVILY. It is actually extremely rare for criminal charges to result from an initial illegal entry in the United States. Typically, criminal charges are not levied until they re-enter illegally a number of times .

Therefore, 100% of illegals did NOT commit a crime. They committed a civil offense. The vast majority not only didn't commit crimes when they entered here, and they don't commit them once they get here.

Your problem should be with the poor immigration system we have and the incredibly lax border security we have. If we had a proper and working legal immigration system (not a system that is just NOW (2007) processing Visas from 1992 for some Mexicans that applied legally, and a strict border policy then all your complaints would vanish.

Until then you can rail all you want about illegals, but the problem is the system. They would not be here if there wasn't demand for them. They wouldn't be here illegally if there was even a SLIGHT possability that they could come here legally.

yup... this notion that illegal immigrants cause more crimes in this country is pretty absurd. that's insinuating thateuther, a) they don't care whatsoever about their future and that they're totally cool with being reckless and killing people in america... b) mexicans are inherently prone to cause crimes because they're less civilized and dirty or something... c) they risked life and limb to cross the border to be shyt stirrers...

newsflash: they came here to build (not openly receive, but bust their ass to get) a better life for themselves and their family. should they do it legally? of course... no one's arguing that they shouldn't. but the fact is that they come in search of a better life... NOT to commit crimes. they don't sit around in their homes in mexico and say, "you know, paco, there's just too much crime here in mexico that i can't make a name for myself or get arrested for committing crimes anymore... wanna risk your life to go up to the united states with me and go nuts?"

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

lolz...you is dum. Seriously though, which white pride pamphlet did you take that out of...I need to check what they think about me. I do feel bad that my family is destroying American culture by working in high end jobs and buying a house here and paying 40% of our income and all that sh1t.

oh and I have my own suggestion...see only these dirty illegals commit crimes, so if we just legalized them, then guess what, no crimes!!!111!!1!!

 

[waggy]

I hate these threads. Whenever someone is against illegal immigration someone has to say crap like "white pride" "racist" etc etc.


not everyone that is against illegal immigration is a racist. granted i would say the majority are (from my personal run in with them anyway). i am all for legal immigration. BUT we really need to stop the illegal crap. secure the boarders (thought that was part of the military job? protect the country?) but allow a guest worker program and help Mexico establish its economy. of course that would mean they would have to crack down on fraud, abuse etc.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

lolz...you is dum. Seriously though, which white pride pamphlet did you take that out of...I need to check what they think about me. I do feel bad that my family is destroying American culture by working in high end jobs and buying a house here and paying 40% of our income and all that sh1t.

oh and I have my own suggestion...see only these dirty illegals commit crimes, so if we just legalized them, then guess what, no crimes!!!111!!1!!

she's far from dumb.

if anyone comes off as ignorant it is you with the totally out of line "white pride pamphlet" insult.

answer me this before anyone attempts to tackle your stupidity, is your family here illegally?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

lolz...you is dum. Seriously though, which white pride pamphlet did you take that out of...I need to check what they think about me. I do feel bad that my family is destroying American culture by working in high end jobs and buying a house here and paying 40% of our income and all that sh1t.

oh and I have my own suggestion...see only these dirty illegals commit crimes, so if we just legalized them, then guess what, no crimes!!!111!!1!!

she's far from dumb.

if anyone comes off as ignorant it is you with the totally out of line "white pride pamphlet" insult.

answer me this before anyone attempts to tackle your stupidity, is your family here illegally?

that's not right... c'mon, mosh...

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: eits
newsflash: they came here to build (not openly receive, but bust their ass to get) a better life for themselves and their family. should they do it legally? of course... no one's arguing that they shouldn't. but the fact is that they come in search of a better life... NOT to commit crimes. they don't sit around in their homes in mexico and say, "you know, paco, there's just too much crime here in mexico that i can't make a name for myself or get arrested for committing crimes anymore... wanna risk your life to go up to the united states with me and go nuts?"

While swarming hospitals and clinics and not bothering to learn English as well. How many people should we allow in? I mean, I'm sure there are about a billion people in Asia who just want to build better lives. We can ship them over too. Where do we draw the line?

Seems to me like we already have a good line that runs right along the borders of our country.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

lolz...you is dum. Seriously though, which white pride pamphlet did you take that out of...I need to check what they think about me. I do feel bad that my family is destroying American culture by working in high end jobs and buying a house here and paying 40% of our income and all that sh1t.

oh and I have my own suggestion...see only these dirty illegals commit crimes, so if we just legalized them, then guess what, no crimes!!!111!!1!!

she's far from dumb.

if anyone comes off as ignorant it is you with the totally out of line "white pride pamphlet" insult.

answer me this before anyone attempts to tackle your stupidity, is your family here illegally?

that's not right... c'mon, mosh...

why not? it is the only way i can determine where he is coming from with his shoot from the hip reply.

i get tired of people thinking it is wrong of someone who is here legally to object to someone who is here illegally. the term ILLEGAL should mean something. doing something illegal is wrong. no one should be chastised for pointing out that what someone is doing is illegal and therefore wrong.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

lolz...you is dum. Seriously though, which white pride pamphlet did you take that out of...I need to check what they think about me. I do feel bad that my family is destroying American culture by working in high end jobs and buying a house here and paying 40% of our income and all that sh1t.

oh and I have my own suggestion...see only these dirty illegals commit crimes, so if we just legalized them, then guess what, no crimes!!!111!!1!!

she's far from dumb.

if anyone comes off as ignorant it is you with the totally out of line "white pride pamphlet" insult.

answer me this before anyone attempts to tackle your stupidity, is your family here illegally?

that's not right... c'mon, mosh...

why not? it is the only way i can determine where he is coming from with his shoot from the hip reply.

i get tired of people thinking it is wrong of someone who is here legally to object to someone who is here illegally. the term ILLEGAL should mean something. doing something illegal is wrong. no one should be chastised for pointing out that what someone is doing is illegal and therefore wrong.

i'm not illegal, but i am part of a huge influx of people who are here and will..."CHANGE THE VERY PRINCIPLES THAT THIS COUNTRY STANDS FOR." dun dun da dun

I know she was talking about illegals but you can find just about the same exact quotes that the KKK uses as an argument for all immigration.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: eits
newsflash: they came here to build (not openly receive, but bust their ass to get) a better life for themselves and their family. should they do it legally? of course... no one's arguing that they shouldn't. but the fact is that they come in search of a better life... NOT to commit crimes. they don't sit around in their homes in mexico and say, "you know, paco, there's just too much crime here in mexico that i can't make a name for myself or get arrested for committing crimes anymore... wanna risk your life to go up to the united states with me and go nuts?"

While swarming hospitals and clinics and not bothering to learn English as well. How many people should we allow in? I mean, I'm sure there are about a billion people in Asia who just want to build better lives. We can ship them over too. Where do we draw the line?

Seems to me like we already have a good line that runs right along the borders of our country.

i never said we should allow them in or not... i'm saying that drunk driving shouldn't have anything to do with illegal immigrant political issues.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: mugs

If their goal is to have a baby so they and their family can become legal immigrants, what is the problem?

The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.

After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.

For example...

This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.

Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.

I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.

The country we know will no longer exist.

And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.

I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.

This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.

YMMV.

lolz...you is dum. Seriously though, which white pride pamphlet did you take that out of...I need to check what they think about me. I do feel bad that my family is destroying American culture by working in high end jobs and buying a house here and paying 40% of our income and all that sh1t.

oh and I have my own suggestion...see only these dirty illegals commit crimes, so if we just legalized them, then guess what, no crimes!!!111!!1!!

she's far from dumb.

if anyone comes off as ignorant it is you with the totally out of line "white pride pamphlet" insult.

answer me this before anyone attempts to tackle your stupidity, is your family here illegally?

that's not right... c'mon, mosh...

why not? it is the only way i can determine where he is coming from with his shoot from the hip reply.

i get tired of people thinking it is wrong of someone who is here legally to object to someone who is here illegally. the term ILLEGAL should mean something. doing something illegal is wrong. no one should be chastised for pointing out that what someone is doing is illegal and therefore wrong.

yeah, but it made it seem like the only reason he disagrees with the huge anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric around here is because he could possibly be an illegal immigrant or related to one and i just don't think that's right.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: eits
yeah, but it made it seem like the only reason he disagrees with the huge anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric around here is because he could possibly be an illegal immigrant or related to one and i just don't think that's right.

are you really surprised that there are people who think that way? and if anything, i should be more pissed as a legal immigrant given how much bureaucracy bullsh1t we had to deal with in both countries to get here while these illegals have a so-called 'free ride'

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Looney
LOL i never liked Geraldo much, but man, Bill was completely nuts.

was Geraldo sticking up for the illegal immigrant?

of course.

Also, to all the people who say they are coming here illegally to have a better life. I think I would have a better life if I had absurds amounts of money. Does that make it ok to rob a bank to get it? Obviously not. Why is ok for them to break the law then? I am against illegal immigration, but if they come here legally then it's fine with me (so long as they are legal the whole time they are here. If they are supposed to go, they should go.) I don't like to reward people for doing illegal things.

Maybe the government should give faster internet connections and legit copies of movies and music to people who download it illegally and then everyone else can pay more for theirs so the government can give it away for free.

 

[Fenixgoon]

finally got around to watching it.. oreilly went nuts!

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
finally got around to watching it.. oreilly went nuts!

i've never seen either of those clowns that mad.

 

[mfs378]

People would be more justified in their anti-illegal-immigrant positions if illegal immigrants weren't lured into this country by the status quo.

Sure there are laws on the books about illegal immigration but they haven't been enforced for decades. They can find work no problem, often with large corporations who have no excuse for hiring them. In fact they want to hire them - its cheap labor, after all. Too much immigration can be a problem but you have to acknowledge the fact that illegals who are here currently were encouraged to be here by the actions of politicians, public officials, citizens, and corporations of this country. Any action we take against illegal immigrants should be balanced with action equally harsh against the people who did the encouraging. Otherwise the problem will never go away.

 

[Staples]

Man, that is crazy.

Wonder if this is Fox's response to stir up publicity because their ratings are going down. Looked staged.

 

[Safeway]

Damn, they are crazy. I was just about to post this, but thankfully, I searched.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Staples
Man, that is crazy.

Wonder if this is Fox's response to stir up publicity because their ratings are going down. Looked staged.

they both looked genuinely angry

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I liked the part about Geraldo saying that illegals commit less crimes than citizens.

1. 100% of illegals commited a crime by entering the country through illegal means.
2. They are going to keep a low profile because they are already criminals.

he shoots.


he scores!

Actually, no. Most immigration violations are not criminal offenses. The vast majority of illegals charged with immigration violations are charged CIVILY. It is actually extremely rare for criminal charges to result from an initial illegal entry in the United States. Typically, criminal charges are not levied until they re-enter illegally a number of times .

Therefore, 100% of illegals did NOT commit a crime. They committed a civil offense. The vast majority not only didn't commit crimes when they entered here, and they don't commit them once they get here.

Your problem should be with the poor immigration system we have and the incredibly lax border security we have. If we had a proper and working legal immigration system (not a system that is just NOW (2007) processing Visas from 1992 for some Mexicans that applied legally, and a strict border policy then all your complaints would vanish.

Until then you can rail all you want about illegals, but the problem is the system. They would not be here if there wasn't demand for them. They wouldn't be here illegally if there was even a SLIGHT possability that they could come here legally.

Looks like here is the current law:

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of?
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.


I didn't think people were jailed for civil offenses.